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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:15 AM EST

Here is SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of SCO's Motion to Compel Disovery. Transcribed already by Dan McIntire, Thad Beier, and madbad rabbit. Thank you. This will all be part of the hearing later this morning in the Utah courtroom.


Brent O. Hatch (5715)
Mark F. James (5295)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
[address, phone, etc.]

Stephen N. Zack (Pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (Pro hac vice)
David K. Markarian (Pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER L.L.P.
[address, phone, etc.]

Attorneys for Plaintiff The Sco Group, Inc.


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF UTAH


THE SCO GROUP, INC.,
a Delaware corporation,
Plaintiff,
v.
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION, a New York corporation,
Defendant

PLAINTIFF'S REPLY
MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN
SUPPORT OF SCO'S MOTION TO
COMPEL DISCOVERY

Case No. 2:03CV0294

Hon. Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells


The SCO Group ("SCO") submits this reply memorandum of law in support of SCO's Motion to Compel Discovery.

INTRODUCTION

In response to SCO's Motion to Compel, IBM essentially makes two arguments. First, IBM claims that "much of what SCO seeks IBM has already agreed, or is willing, to produce as soon as is practicable." IBM memo, p.2. Second, IBM argues that "most of what [SCO] seeks is irrelevant, overly broad and unduly burdensome, particularly in light of SCO's continued refusal to particularize its claims." Id. Even ignoring the inconsistency of these positions, IBM is wrong on both fronts. IBM has not, without qualification, produced or agreed to produce the necessary documents in response to SCO's document requests or properly respond to SCO interrogatories. IBM's argument that SCO has refused to particularize its claims offers no legitimate basis for its failure to comply with its discovery obligations and, in any event, is simply wrong. SCO has particularized its claims in great detail in both its Amended Complaint and, more recently, in its supplemental and revised responses to IBM's first set of discovery. Under these circumstances, SCO respectfully requests that IBM be ordered to respond to SCO's discovery forthwith.

ARGUMENT

A. IBM Should be Ordered to Produce all Versions or Iterations of AIX and Dynix Source Code as set forth in Request Nos. 2 and 3.

As set forth in SCO's initial motion, IBM has wholly failed to produce all versions or iterations of AIX and Dynix source code, modifications, methods and/or derivative works from May 1999 to the present. IBM argues that it has "already agreed to produce source code for all releases of AIX and Dynix distributed within the time frames specified in SCO's requests." IBM memo, p.6 (emphasis added). There are several flaws in IBM's response. SCO's request is for all versions or iterations of the necessary source code, not for the source code "distributed." IBM's response, contained in an October 8th e-mail from IBM's counsel, improperly attempted to limit IBM's document production to releases IBM actually distributed. Moreover, after IBM purported to produce the source code it has "distributed," IBM apparently changed its position, as set forth in its October 10th letter. In that letter, IBM stated it would produce the "base operating system." IBM's October 10, 2003 letter attached as Exhibit "A" hereto. Now, in footnote 6 of its response, IBM inconsistently claims it is not limiting production to the "base operating system," contrary to its October 10th letter. In short, IBM has changed its response as to what it will or will not produce. IBM consistently has refused, however, to produce or agree to produce all requested versions or iterations of the AIX and Dynix source code. Those documents are plainly relevant, and the Court should order IBM to produce them immediately.

IBM's shifting attempts to limit production to code that was actually "distributed" or the "base operating system" are improper. SCO asked for and is entitled to all versions or iterations or [sic] AIX and Dynix source code. As described in greater detail in Plaintiff's opening Memorandum filed in support of its Motion to Compel, SCO contends that IBM failed to treat AIX and Dynix as required under the Software Agreement by, among other things, contributing source code and confidential methods for developing UNIX / AIX to Linux. This is an important issue in the case. See, e.g., paragraphs 91-97, 110-115, 139, 141-144 of Plaintiff's Amended Complaint. Plaintiff is entitled to the production of all modifications and versions of AIX and Dynix created over the years to analyze the ways in which AIX and Dynix has [sic] changed and the ways in which its structures, methods and information based on UNIX have evolved. The evidence adduced from this discovery is likely to identify evidence of infringement and/or contract violations by IBM by improper contributions of such items to Linux. Stated differently, by receiving all versions and iterations of AIX and Dynix, SCO will have evidence of IBM's development of Linux in violation of its contractual and legal obligations.

IBM also claims that complying with this request would be unduly burdensome. Specifically, IBM, for the first time, states that if it complied with this request, IBM estimates that production may exceed 40 million pages. This figure, while large, does not automatically translate into a finding of undue burden. The reality is that IBM, like SCO, has agreed to produce the source code on CDs in a format that is readable by machine (i.e. not just Tagged Image File Format (TIFF) images). To do so, this source code is taken from a tape drive or from CDs and then copied onto a CD for production. As a result, IBM's claim of "undue burden" is not persuasive. It is worth noting that, in an effort to establish undue burden, IBM has done nothing more than make naked allegations of burden. IBM has failed to establish the allegedly burdensome nature of the production, either by affidavit or anything else in the record. See Chubb Integrated Sys. Ltd. V. National Bank, 103 F.R.D. 52, 59-50 (D.D.C 1984) ("An objection must show specifically how an interrogatory [or request] is overly broad, burdensome or oppressive, by submitting affidavits or offering evidence which reveals the nature of the burden.")(emphasis added); Oleson v. Kmart Corp., 175 F.R.D. 560, 565 (D. Kan. 1997) citing Peat, Marwick, Mitchell & Co. v. West, 748 F.2d 540 (10th Cir. 1984)("The objecting party has the burden to substantiate its objections."). Having completely failed to meet its burden of establishing undue burden, IBM should be ordered to produce all iterations and versions of the requested code.

IBM concludes the initial section of its opposition memorandum by trying to excuse the fact that it has not provided a single line of code since it filed its response to SCO's document requests on August 13, 2003, over three months ago. IBM repeats that it has had to notify third parties whose rights might be implicated by revealing the source code. Despite claiming the need for issuing third party notifications in its August 13 response, IBM waited until October 8, 2003, before even sending out the third party notifications. See sample notification dated October 8, 2003, attached hereto as Exhibit "B." Moreover, the need to send out third party notifications does not justify the wholesale failure to produce a single line of AIX and Dynix since production of those documents was due in August. IBM certainly could have produced the vast majority of the code that is not subject to third party rights, just as SCO did. For example, if code was subject to a third party's rights, SCO would substitute object or binary code [1] for such source code. By doing so, SCO has been able to produce dozens of CDs containing source code so that IBM can undertake whatever analysis it feels is appropriate without violating the rights of third parties. When IBM requested code from third parties that appears in SCO's source code, SCO sent out the notification letters within a week of IBM's request.

The requested source code of AIX and Dynix in SCO's Request for Production seeks information that is plainly relevant to this case. The wholesale failure of IBM to produce even a single line of code has hampered SCO's ability to conduct the necessary code comparisons and delayed the orderly prosecution of this action. Accordingly, SCO respectfully requests that IBM be ordered to identify and produce all versions and iterations of AIX and Dynix as set forth in SCO's Request Nos. 2 and 3 without further delay.

B. IBM Should be Ordered to Produce all Contributions to Others as set forth in Request No. 11.

In Request No. 11, SCO sought "[a]ll contributions made without confidentiality restrictions by IBM or anyone under its control including, but not limited to, source code, binary code, derivative works, methods, and modifications to Open Source Development Lab, Linus Torvalds, Red Hat or any other entity." After discussions with IBM's counsel, SCO clarified that "the only documents we seek with respect to open-source contributions are those related to UNIX, AIX, Dynix and Linux." SCO's September 22, 2003 letter attached as Exhibit "C" hereto. SCO made clear it was only seeking documents that were directly relevant to the issues in this case. As noted in SCO's initial motion, nearly one month later, IBM responded to this clarification and maintained that such production still would be unduly burdensome and, in any event, seeks information that may be publicly available. See IBM's October 10, 2003 letter attached as Exhibit "A" hereto. IBM maintains that position in its responsive memorandum: "IBM has made a lot of contributions to Linux, all of which are, by definition, publicly accessible." IBM memo, p. 4 (emphasis added).

After admitting that IBM has made "a lot of contributions to Linux," IBM nonetheless refuses to produce the evidence of its contributions to Linux. IBM's memorandum states that for it to do so, IBM either (1) would have to search Linux for the term IBM or the names of IBM contributors or (2) interview the hundreds of IBM persons who IBM believes may have made a contribution to Linux. Without citation to any authority that would allow it to avoid its discovery obligation on this core issue, IBM simply declares it should not be required to do so. IBM memo, p. 4. IBM is wrong. IBM does have an obligation to undertake reasonable efforts to comply with its discovery obligations. There is no recognized exception allowing a party to dispense with its discovery obligations by simply claiming information may be publicly available. Moreover, when IBM admits it has "made a lot of contributions to Linux," it certainly follows that a lot of people at IBM may have made these contributions. The fact that IBM made "a lot of contributions to Linux" does not excuse IBM from producing the source code, e-mails and corresponding materials that it contributed. Certainly, nothing prevents IBM from simply sending an e-mail to the personnel that it believes may have made contributions to Linux and asking them to forward all contributions of source code (and related documents such as e-mails) that they have made to Linux. IBM is certainly in position to identify what comprises the "lot of contributions to Linux" and, more importantly, SCO is entitled to that information from IBM.

IBM concludes that it should not be required to make any further disclosures of its contributions to Linux "until SCO provides specifics about its case." [2] IBM memo, p.5. This argument is without merit on two levels. First, by claiming it should not have to make any "further" disclosures, IBM acknowledges it has made some disclosures, recognizing that the documents requested were relevant. Second, and more importantly, IBM assuredly has all of the "specifics about this case" it needs to respond to this discovery, both from the lengthy and detailed Amended Complaint and the revised supplemental answers to IBM's interrogatories. Indeed, SCO has clarified that it was only seeking documents related to UNIX, AIX, Dynix and Linux. Under these circumstances, IBM should be ordered to produce the requested contributions.

C. IBM Should be Ordered to Respond Fully to Interrogatory No. 2.

SCO's Interrogatory No. 2 requests the identity of all persons with knowledge concerning any of the issues in this litigation. Attachment A to IBM's interrogatory answers, however, lists only IBM employees and former employees. IBM claims it believed that the parties had an understanding that limited the question to present and former IBM employees, but it does not object to supplementing its answer to include non-IBM personnel as long as the parties' obligations are reciprocal. Recently, on October 10, 2003, when the parties simultaneously exchanged witness lists, SCO had already listed all persons it believed at the time had knowledge of issues in this case, without limiting its response to SCO personnel only. Thus, IBM's concern about reciprocity is of no moment.

While SCO appreciates that IBM now has agreed to supplement its answer to this interrogatory, it remains concerned about the completeness of any forthcoming list of witnesses. In its memorandum, for example, IBM continues to maintain that IBM's CEO, Sam Palmisano, and board of directors do not have knowledge of the issues in this lawsuit. IBM memo, p.9. They almost certainly do. The attached article from the New York Times provides a retrospective on how IBM became involved in Linux. The article details how Mr. Palmisano, then a senior vice president, and Irving Wladawsky-Berger spearheaded the move to Linux. See Article attached as Exhibit "D." Moreover, the newspaper article identifies a report presented to IBM's "top management." Thus, IBM's position that Mr. Palmisano and other top management at IBM do not have knowledge of the issues in this case is contrary to news accounts and common sense. SCO requests that IBM be ordered to answer Interrogatory No. 2 fully and completely.

D. IBM Should be Ordered to Respond Fully to Interrogatory No. 4.

In Interrogatory No. 4, SCO sought to discover the identity of those at IBM who have or had access to the protected UNIX, AIX and Dynix source code and requested that IBM identify the materials to which they had access. IBM provided a series of lists that purport to respond to this question, but upon closer inspection it is clear that these lists are non-responsive. Attachment B, for example, is simply a list of approximately 7,000 names, without more. It lists all those who may have or had access, as opposed to those who actually have or had access to the source code and derivative works. Because the list is simply a collection of names, there is no reasonable way for SCO to review the list and determine who actually had access and the materials to which they had access.

IBM's response is simply that SCO does not need the contact information and that "SCO asked IBM to identify persons with access to source code, and we did." IBM memo, p.10. This statement, however, ignores that both IBM and SCO's discovery requests specifically define "identify" to include sufficient contact information about each person. Thus, consistent with the definition of "identify" that both IBM and SCO have used in the discovery requests propounded in this lawsuit, IBM has failed to properly respond to the interrogatory. IBM should be ordered to narrow its answer to those who actually had access to the specified source code and derivative works and then provide the necessary contact information.3

E. IBM Should be Ordered to Respond Fully to Interrogatory No. 5.

In Interrogatory No. 5, SCO sought information that goes to the core of this case; namely, the identity of IBM and Sequent personnel that work or worked on AIX, Dynix and Linux, specifying for each person their precise contributions to each. IBM again merely referenced the same lists used in Interrogatory No. 4, which asked about persons with access, and added one list regarding Linux. SCO's interrogatory did not request IBM to list persons who had access to source code, as did Interrogatory No. 4, but rather those who"work or worked on developing source code, derivative works, modifications or methods for AIX, Dynix and Linux." As noted in SCO's initial memorandum, it is understandable that the lists may overlap to the extent, for example, that someone who is developing code for AIX would necessarily have access to some AIX source code, but it does not necessarily follow that all persons who had access to AIX source code actually worked on its development. Since the lists are, by definition, not coextensive, Attachments B and C are deficient.

In response, IBM states that "we believe that the persons who have or had such access are the persons who worked on developing AIX and Dynix." IBM memo, p. 3. This response from IBM is insufficient. As noted above, the lists IBM produced in response to Interrogatory No. 4 included those who may have had access to the code, as opposed to those who actually did. Thus, until a list is produced of those who actually had access to the source code and derivative works, the attempt to recycle the same list in response to different questions is fundamentally flawed. Rather than relying upon IBM's recently held belief that those with access equates to those who developed AIX and Dynix, IBM should be ordered to identify those who worked on developing AIX and Dynix and their precise contributions to each. To the extent IBM has this information, it should be ordered to produce it.

IBM also fails to adequately identify those who worked on Linux and their precise contributions to Linux. As noted in SCO's opening memorandum, IBM merely references Attachment E to its discovery responses. This attachment, although closer to the mark, simply lists the names of approximately two hundred and sixty persons without any further identification.

This list, as with IBM's other attachments, is overly broad because rather than listing IBM personnel who actually worked on Linux, it lists those "who may have made contributions to Linux." (emphasis added). SCO should not be left to guess which individuals on this list actually worked on Linux and which did not. Consistent with this defect, the list does not specify any of the files these persons worked on or contributed to Linux. The files IBM personnel worked on or otherwise contributed to Linux or clearly relevant to this case. IBM may be reluctant to plainly identify who and how it violated its obligations to SCO, but that does not excuse IBM from its discovery obligations.

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons, SCO respectfully requests that the Court order IBM to fully and completely respond to the foregoing identified discovery requests.

DATED this 15` day of December, 2003.

Respectfully submitted

_____________________
By: HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James

BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, L.L.P.
Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise
David K. Markarian
Counsel for Plaintiff/Counterclaim defendant 9

[1] Object or binary code is the code computers use and appears as a series of is and Os.
[2 ] IBM claims that it has produced more than 120,000 documents in this case and that "many" relate to its contributions to Linux. Few, if any, of the documents show IBM's source code contributions to Linux.
[3] 'IBM certainly has the ability to provide this information because it did so for one of its attachments (Attachment A to its interrogatory answer).

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

Plaintiff, The SCO Group, Inc. hereby certifies that a true and correct copy of PLAINTIFF'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY was served on Defendant International Business Machines Corporation on this l5th day of December, 2003, by U.S. Mail, first class, postage prepaid, on their counsel of record as indicated below:

Alan L. Sullivan, Esq.
Todd M. Shaughnessy, Esq. Snell & Wilmer L.L.P.
[address]

Evan R. Chesler, Esq.
David R. Marriott, Esq. Cravath,
Swaine & Moore
[address] Donald J. Rosenberg, Esq.
address

Exhibits

Attachments t o this document have not been scanned. Please see the case file.


  


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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:33 AM EST
This is a joke, right? Seriously, this is a joke?

This is unbelievable. Unless it's a joke.

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SCO asks a federal judge for a fishing licence
Authored by: beast on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:42 AM EST
"Stated differently, by receiving all versions and iterations of AIX and Dynix,
SCO will have evidence of IBM's development of Linux in violation of its
contractual and legal obligations."

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Go blue!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:54 AM EST
How, in God's name, can SCO compel IBM to release
not just AIX, but ALL changes made to AIX? About the
only thing that SCO has done right here is to point out
inconsistencies with IBM. Seriously, how lazy can they
be? Can't the "Owners" of UNIX use GREP! IBM is
doing the right thing here, dragging their feet and
making SCO do the heavy lifting.

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 03:58 AM EST
Hello PJ,

It looks like the document above is missing a closing </i> tag, before the
word Moreover in the line below:

<i>See sample notification dated October 8, 2003, attached hereto as
Exhibit "B." Moreover, ...

Regards,

michael

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PJ - Missing end bold tag in article
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 04:06 AM EST
Everything after and including "and the materials to which" is in
bold which I don't think was intended. There must be a missing tag.

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: Raoul_Duke on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 04:11 AM EST
Hi, i've been an avid lurker for a few months now.....thought today would be a
good day to actually create an account. Have to say, respect to PJ ;-)

My opinion on all this?

SCO: You've stolen some of my stuff!

IBM: What stuff? when ? how ?

SCO: You know what i'm talking about!

IBM: Errr, no....why don't you tell me?

SCO: NO!

IBM: Why not?

SCO: Because you already know

IBM (Scratching it's head): You're weird

SCO (To everyone else): Oh by the way, anyone who has any of my stuff can't
have it anymore unless you pay me for it. Since IBM nicked some of my stuff,
i've changed my mind about giving it away.

Everyone Else: But you gave it to us! besides IBM said they didn't steal
anything....what proof do you have?

SCO: Lots

Everyone Else: Show us then

SCO: No!

EE: Why not?

SCO: Cos IBM knows

EE: Err, You're really weird

SCO: See you all in court suckers!

IBM: Fine!

---------------------------------------

RD

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A bit of humor for this case...
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 04:19 AM EST
Since I've seen a couple Monty Python quotes, here's a sketch retooled to fit
SCO :) Hope you enjoy :)

SCO's Verbal Argument

(a judge takes his seat)

Judge: Good Morning.

SCO Lawyer: Good Morning, your honor!

Judge: Ah, thank you.

SCO Lawyer: What can I do for you, sir?

Judge: Well, I called this hearing to hear your reasons why you are suing IBM.
More specifically, to hear what kind of evidence you have against IBM.

SCO Lawyer: Ah, evidence!

Judge: In a nutshell, yes. So I thought to myself "a bit of verbal
argument from SCO might do this case good and shed some light on what this is
all about."

SCO Lawyer: Come again?

Judge: I want to know about the code.

SCO Lawyer: Oh, I thought you were complaining about Mr. McBride's open
letters!

Judge: Oh, heaven forbid - I find those laced with humorous snippets of verbose
prose!

SCO Lawyer: Sorry?

Judge: The letters are funny.

SCO Lawyer: So he can go on typing then, can he?

Judge: Most certainly! Now then, some evidence please, my good man.

SCO Lawyer: Certainly, sir. What would you like?

Judge: Well, eh, how about some SMP code violations?

SCO Lawyer: I'm afraid we couldn't actually find any, sir.

Judge: Oh, never mind, how about JFS?

SCO Lawyer: I'm afraid we won't have that till after discovery from IBM.

Judge: Tish tish. No matter. Well, stout lawyer, let's see what you have
about NUMA.

SCO Lawyer: Ah! It's still waiting on someone to put it on a cd, we were
expecting it this morning.

Judge: It's not my lucky day, is it? Aah, RCU then?

SCO Lawyer: Sorry, sir.

Judge: Memory Allocation?

SCO Lawyer: Normally, sir, yes. Today the courier's van broke down.

Judge: Ah. USB?

SCO Lawyer: Sorry.

Judge: LPT ports drivers? Serial ports?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: Any evidence about IDE drivers?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: SCSI?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: SATA?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: Floating point emulation?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: Video drivers?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: Keyboard drivers? Vi, emacs, sendmail, x-windows, man pages, bash
shell?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: "Tux Racer", perhaps?

SCO Lawyer: Ah! We have evidence for that, yessir.

Judge: (suprised) You do! Excellent.

SCO Lawyer: Yes sir. The media it's on tho, it's ...ah...it's a bit smudged
up...

Judge: Oh, I don't mind a bit of a reading challenge.

SCO Lawyer: Well...It's very smudged, actually, sir.

Judge: No matter. Fetch hither the evidence of IBM's wrong doing!

SCO Lawyer: I ... think it's a bit more smudged than you'd like, sir.

Judge: I don't care how ****ing smudged it is. Hand it over will all speed.

SCO Lawyer: Ooooooooooohhhh...!

Judge: What now?

SCO Lawyer: The paralegal's eaten it.

Judge: Has he.

SCO Lawyer: She, sir.

(Pause)

Judge: Grep?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: Gzip?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: You... do have some evidence, don't you?

SCO Lawyer: (brightly) Of course, sir. It's a lawsuit, sir. We've got...

Judge: No no... don't tell me. I'm keen to guess.

SCO Lawyer: Fair enough.

Judge: Uuuuuh, Gimp?

SCO Lawyer: Yes?

Judge: Ah, well, let's see the evidence on Gimp!

SCO Lawyer: Oh! I thought you were talking to me, sir. Mr. Gimp, that's my
name.

(Pause)

Judge: KDE?

SCO Lawyer: Uh, not as such.

Judge: Uuh, GNOME?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: Ximian?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: OpenOffice?

SCO Lawyer: Not today, sir, no.

(Pause)

Judge: Aah, how about how you found your evidence then?

SCO Lawyer: Well, we weren't expecting to have to answer that.

Judge: Weren't expecting?... It's one of the single most important pieces of
discovery!

SCO Lawyer: Not according to SCO, sir.

Judge: And just what is the most important piece, "according to
SCO"?

SCO Lawyer: Our MIT analysts.

Judge: Is it?

SCO Lawyer: It's our number one piece of evidence, sir!

Judge: All right. Okay. 'Are they here today?' he asked, expecting the answer
"no".

SCO Lawyer: I'll have a look, sir ... nnnnnnnnnnnnnnno.


Judge: It's not much of a lawsuit, is it?

SCO Lawyer: Finest money can buy!

Judge: (annoyed) Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please.

SCO Lawyer: Well, it's so full of legal jardon, sir!

Judge: It's certainly uncontaminated by the burden of evidence...

SCO Lawyer: (brightly) You haven't asked me about Pine, sir.

Judge: Would it be worth it?

SCO Lawyer: Could be....

Judge: Have you - (to McBride)SHUT THAT DAMN WORD PROCESSOR OFF!

SCO Lawyer: Told you sir....

Judge: (slowly) Have you any evidence that IBM misappropriated SCO UNIX code
into the PINE e-mail program?

SCO Lawyer: No.

Judge: Figures. Predictable, really I suppose. It was an act of purest optimism
to have posed the question in the first place. Tell me:

SCO Lawyer: Yes sir?

Judge: (Deliberately) Have you in fact got any evidence against IBM at all?

SCO Lawyer: Yes, sir.

Judge: Really?

(Pause)

SCO Lawyer: No. Not really, sir.

Judge: You haven't.

SCO Lawyer: No sir. Not a scrap. I was deliberately wasting your time, sir.

Judge: Well I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to sentence you to death.

SCO Lawyer: Right-Oh, sir.

(The Baliff takes the SCO Lawyer out of the courtroom . A few minutes later, a
distant scream can be heard while the lights in the courtroom dim momentarily)

Judge: What a senseless waste of human life.

(derived as a parody from Monty Python's 'Cheese Shop' sketch)

--Brent

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Catch - 22 Legal Situation - puzzled
Authored by: John Douglas on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 04:32 AM EST
The case is about a contractual dispute.

One problem in discovery is the interpretation of the contract. SCO claims to be
allowed to 'go fishing' on the basis of their interpretation and IBM objects
to it.

Can't IBM ask for a judges ruling on the interpretation of the contract, ?

Currently it seems that in discovery a judge has to decide whose interpretation
of the contract is correct before the main case ?



---
As a Safety Critcal/Firmware Engineer, everything I do is automatically
incorrect until proven otherwise. (The one aspect of my work that my wife
understands).

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Words fail
Authored by: Richard Reynolds on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 04:36 AM EST
Have I missed some important documents or posts here or got it wrong?

IBM also claims that complying with this request would be unduly burdensome. Specifically, IBM, for the first time, states that if it complied with this request, IBM estimates that production may exceed 40 million pages. This figure, while large, does not automatically translate into a finding of undue burden. The reality is that IBM, like SCO, has agreed to produce the source code on CDs in a format that is readable by machine (i.e. not just Tagged Image File Format (TIFF) images)

Isn't this what SCO did to IBM, didn't SCO send IBM pages of code that was printed out then scanned in and put on CD? Have I missed an agreement by SCO that sending TIFF images of code is actually not nice and that from now on they will send normal code or are they just asking IBM for that and still claiming their method is within the definition because IBM failed to specify they didn't want TIFF's?

Next time you request anything from SCO make sure you have a 50 page document specifying how you don't want your source code.

'(ie not converted to Greek, painted onto a hill, photographed by hubble and put onto CD by hand inscribed laser pointer)'

If it weren't true it would be funny.

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Hysterical Laughter on the Court Steps Greets the SCO Legal Team
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 05:08 AM EST
I can't imagine why Darl & co should feel threatened by the OSS community -
it is very difficult to be threatening when you keep falling to the ground in
fits of hysterical laughter...

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While we are on the subject of SCO humor
Authored by: sela on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 05:24 AM EST

I thought I'll re-post this this I wrote again:

SCO proves Logic invalid

In a move that sent shockwaves rippling not only across the IT community, as it
usually does, but throught the entire scientific community, SCO's CEO, Darl
McBride, declaired he managed to prove Logic to be invalid, immoral and
unconstitutional.

Darl McBride told analysts and reporters in a teleconference this Friday that
“the proof, developed by a team of MIT mathematicians, clearly show that Logic
have no merit whatsoever, and is therefor null and void. We have a very strong
and broad proof here. We are very confident about it.”.

“When we started all this effort”, said McBride, “people told us that what
we're claiming [regarding the Linux IP] does not come to terms with logic.
People told me 'you are trying to defy logic. It would never work'. Well, we
did just this”.

When asked if SCO considered the damage their attack on Logic could do to the
scientific community, Darl said “We did not want to bring logic into the
picture. We knew this is their [IBM] achilas heel and didn't want to attack
Logic. They brought it in by using Logic in their case. We had no choice but to
step forward and respond to their actions”.

People in the scientific community are still trying to cope with SCO's new
discovery. “It just doesn't make sense. They don't even let us see ttheir
proof without signing an NDA. They're completely irrational about this ... I
can't see the reason behind their actions” said Prof. A. Cademy, a leading
researcher in the field of Logic. In response Darl said “Right. So?”

“When we started investigating this, we knew there were several issues [with
Logic] but we did not know yet the entire scope and seriousness of this problem.
Now we know Logic is just invalid. This is a very serious deal, very strong
thing to support this case. We are quite confident we have two hundred precent
chance of winning the court case now. It just made 360 degrees change of
everything.”

Asked about the MIT mathematicians that were involved in this case, D.M said
“Well, unfortunately they are not here now. It was very unfortunate. After make
this proof complete they just went on proving they do not exist and those guys
just disappeared in a puff of logic. Very unfortunate indeed. Those were very
bright people, rocket scientist type of guys”.

SCO is now planning to send 1500 letters to scientists all over the world,
warning them about the dangers of using Logic. “We just want to educate the
public about the problems of using Logic. We do not intend to take any legal
actions against people using Logic for the time being. We know there are some
people still dependent on using Logic. We are plannig to step forward and help
those folks by releasing SCOlogic license soon, for 699$ introductory offer.”

Many scientists are still very sceptic about SCO's proof. Not many people
agreed to sign an NDA that requires agreeing their proof is correct.

“I've seen the proof and it looks very solid. It looks like a very strong proof
agaist logic. They really are right about this”, said Laura Didio, one of the
few analysts that did sign the NDA in order to examine their proof.

As a result of the new events, SCO's stock value jumped to 4532$ today.

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: rakaz on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 06:12 AM EST
SCO filed four exhibits for this reply memorandum. Two exhibits are new to this
case: a sample IBM third-party notification and a New York times article. Both
of them are not yet available on sco.tuxrocks.com

From the description I read it seems like they filed a copy of the following
article:

http://www.datatrend.com/resources/pdf/NYT-IBM-Linux.pdf

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 06:21 AM EST
PJ, the date is incorrectly shown as 15' December then as 1sc December.

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 07:49 AM EST
This list, as with IBM's other attachments, is overly broad because rather than listing IBM personnel who actually worked on Linux, it lists those "who may have made contributions to Linux." (emphasis added). SCO should not be left to guess which individuals on this list actually worked on Linux and which did not.

Ahem ... How is it that this list is "overly broad" simply because some people "may have worked" on linux, while SCO providing a list of files that may contain infringing materials is an identification with specifivity as they are claiming in this document?

Does SCO realise how easy it is to turn what they are writing against themselves?

"The list of files is overly broad because rather than listing infringing source by file and line number, it lists files which "may have infringed" against SCO's copyrights, or are in breech of IBM's contract with SCO. IBM should not be left to guess which files or lines in the the files have infringed and which files or lines in the files have not."

If they don't identify anything specifically, how can IBM provide them with what they want to know? This is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

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Todays Main Event??
Authored by: kberrien on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 08:54 AM EST
>This will all be part of the hearing later this morning
>in the Utah courtroom.

I've been searching the threads and haven't found a solid answer.

1. Is the hearing today in court or in chambers?
2. If in court, will there be Grok-ites attending & notetaking?
3. If in chambers, when will there be documentations we can revue?

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: p0ssum on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 09:09 AM EST
http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/001611.shtml#001611

This is a Lawrence Lessig Blog entry countering Darls latest BS^H^H tirade.
Basically he says he is full of it, but well worth the read.

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They drag you to their level and then beat you with experience.

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Earnings report delayed
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 09:15 AM EST
Does anybody have a clue why the earning statements from SCO are being delayed
to the 22nd? At least it seems to mimick their habit of requesting delays just
before the end of a deadline.

Are the trying to bury something it in all the christmas festivity? Or should we
just trust their explanation that they need more time to finish accounting of a
recent stock sale? *cough*

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SCO Pushes back Earnings call until the 22nd.
Authored by: p0ssum on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 09:27 AM EST
Hmmm I wonder why, not expecting a good day today to work with on Monday. Too
many questions might be asked that they have no
lie^H^H^H answer for yet. Got to make sure they have the story straight before
they go to the cabal^H^H^H^H^H investors?

biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031205/laf021_1.html


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SCO has made a direct, public threat...
Authored by: kuwan on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 09:31 AM EST

Near the end of Darl's letter of ignorance you'll find this gem:

In the meantime, the U.S. Congress has authorized legal action against copyright violators under the Copyright Act and its most recent amendment, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. SCO intends to fully protect its rights granted under these Acts against all who would 1) use and 2) distribute our intellectual property for free, and would 3) strip out copyright management information from our proprietary code, use it in Linux, and distribute it under the GPL. Emphasis mine.

The way I read this is that they are threatening:

  1. People that use Linux (not a new threat)
  2. Distributors of Linux (RedHat, SuSe, etc.)
  3. Possibly the developers of Linux (Linus and others)
#3 is a little less direct, but I think that it is clearly implying developers. RedHat should at least be able to use this as evidence in their case. I would also suggest that now is the time for others to file preemptive lawsuits against SCO. This statement cannot be mistaken as a threat, it is clearly that. I think that now is the time for other distributors to file suit as well as the developers of Linux. It's now time to begin a Distributed Preemptive Lawsuit Attack (DPLA) against SCO. ;) It's either that, or wait for them to file a lawsuit against you.

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Too funny for words
Authored by: p0ssum on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 09:32 AM EST
www.infoworld.com/article/03/12/04/HNmcbrideletter_1.html


"If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of
normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial
growth of prostitution," Tovalds wrote.

Hahahah that is awesome, I just love Linus' sense of humor!

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: coffee17 on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 09:39 AM EST
For example, if code was subject to a third party's rights, SCO would substitute object or binary code [1] for such source code.

Oh, yes that's very helpful; binary code. Probably named file_0000000 thru file_fffffff

By doing so, SCO has been able to produce dozens of CDs containing source code so that IBM can undertake whatever analysis it feels is appropriate without violating the rights of third parties.

the "By doing so" seems to indicate that SCO isn't actually sending out source code. But I guess in the big picture, object code might be slightly more useful than printed out images scanned in as TIFF's, tho I'd think to a company like ibm they'd be able to put one or two people working on it and get a process up and running to try to get some usefulness from the images, while the source gets mangled via compiling.

Here's a thought, if SCO is sending object code, what were they doing before? Printing out a hex dump and scanning that in?

Despite claiming the need for issuing third party notifications in its August 13 response, IBM waited until October 8, 2003, before even sending out the third party notifications. See sample notification dated October 8, 2003
(snip)
When IBM requested code from third parties that appears in SCO's source code, SCO sent out the notification letters within a week of IBM's request.

Both snippets came from the same paragraph. There's something odd in my mind about how they specify dates in regard to IBM, yet they just said "a week" for themselves. I'd be curious when in their minds IBM requested code from them.

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SCO delays earnings, backs revenue outlook
Authored by: phrostie on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:30 AM EST
from forbes

"NEW YORK, Dec 5 (Reuters) - SCO Group Inc. (nasdaq: SCOX
- news - people), the small software company suing IBM
over intellectual property rights, said on Friday that it
would delay reporting earnings by two weeks to give it
more time to finalize accounting an a recent stock sale."

http://www.forbes.com/work/newswire/2003/12/05/
rtr1170755.html

"time to finalize accounting" sound like enron to me.
can you say cooking the books.

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Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS
and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings.
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SCO can't get a delay from IBM and now they decide to delay posing earnings. Hmmmmmm.....
Authored by: glarepate on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:14 AM EST
SCO requests a delay of one month from IBM on November 26th. They don't
receive one.

In approximately the same time frame SCO first moves up their conference call
from Dec. 8th to Dec. 3rd. Then they seem to ignore or forget that and continue
issuing subsequent statements that the earnings will be announced on the 8th.

Today they announce a postponement of the earnings conference call until Dec.
22nd. Is this revolutionary accounting event going to go down in history as
"the stink smelled 'round the world"?

Any speculation on what they are trying to cover up or what other goal this
delay could be attempting to further? I would like to think that it signals the
beginning of an avalanche of all the cards making up all the houses that they
have constructed so far.

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  • Dec 3rd? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 12:32 PM EST
    • Dec 3rd? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 09:11 PM EST
AIX and Dynix source code
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:46 AM EST
"IBM Should be Ordered to Produce all Versions or Iterations of AIX and
Dynix Source Code as set forth in Request Nos. 2 and 3. "

While I think this is just a stupid fishing expidition, I'm not sure why IBM is
resisting this... surely, like SCO's lawyers say, this is just a matter of
buring a few more CD's.

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: mbarthelow on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:02 PM EST
I like the footnote of their memorandum which explains how the object code which
runs on computers is a series of the letter 'i' and the letter 'o'

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will there be a transcript from the hearing?
Authored by: habes on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:04 PM EST
Will there be a transcript or any kind of proceedings from the hearing? How
will we be able to know what happened?

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: ExcludedMiddle on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:07 PM EST
I moved this to the upper level because I'd be interested in hearing what people think about this theory of mine. This is in reply to the question below by Anonymous:

While I think this is just a stupid fishing expidition, I'm not sure why IBM is resisting this... surely, like SCO's lawyers say, this is just a matter of buring a few more CD's.

This is one of the more interesting aspects I see right now. Please, Groklaw-ers, tell me if I'm on track with the below analysis:

If IBM produces this code, it will allow SCO to do a text-based code analysis of all of Linux, and find out if anything was directly copied. If there are any, which there may be, they may be in violation of contract. SCO has made vague claims about trade secrets, and copyright violations, and IBM is asking them to be specific about what they did so that they can go forward with the case regarding those specific items.

SCO found out after the community tore apart their early public examples that a pattern match of code wasn't enough. It takes a very detailed analysis of the paternity of the code to know if SCO owns it. This is half the reason that SCO has been reluctant to release any lines of code here. The other half is that if it comes out in discovery and is not kept under seal (a real possibility because Linux code is in the open), they will lose in the court of public opinion because it can then be debunked by the community, or removed from all files. The public view of this is the ONLY court that they care about, or they would not be delaying things at this early stage of the case. Licensing Linux is their new business strategy, according to their own press releases. Proving that they "own" it is a part of that.

If, however, IBM releases all of their source to SCO, SCO can then do a pattern match of the AIX, Dynix, and what-have-you code against all of Linux and find any exact matches. If there are any (and I would gamble that such a prospect is likely) that would provide SCO with a contract violation. One without any question of paternity. This would give their case exactly what's needed.

So this is the current standoff:

1. IBM needs to convince the court that SCO's claim is frivolous without specifically identifying which trade secrets and copyrights they violated before IBM needs to release all versions of their source. Their argument is that SCO needs to say what this is specifically because otherwise, this is an illegal discovery fishing expedition.

2. SCO needs to convince the court that their claim has merit enough to warrant such a request, so that they can know what was copied, and that they should get access to all IBM source as requested so that they can make their claims.

The winner of this standoff gets a significant short-term victory. This is a fascinating stage of this case right now. Part of what's so interesting to me is that it's happening during discovery. Not during the actual case yet.

In closing, I want to direct your attention to the latest brief by SCO in the above text. Note that they aren't wasting time discussing IBMs rebuttals in the earlier items, this reply memo shows that the only thing they care about now is getting ahold of IBM's code. If I were them, I'd feel similarly.

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Trying to stay on track here
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:34 PM EST
...and over the noises of outrage over how ridiculous the latest letter is, I
was interested in a couple of points.

First, it seems that the main complaint here is that SCO is unwilling to explain
what the set of evidence is that they have that they're using to justify
ordering IBM to hand over its source. Are they actually required to do so? I
agree that this makes it look like they don't have *any* evidence. However, I
would argue that a judge should not block a disclosure request based on whether
the plaintiff is making claims based purely upon functional grounds, rather than
actually knowing of the existence of violating source code. Sure, "Linux
is enterprise class and this couldn't have been done without using our
IP" as justification for requesting disclosure is awfully vague, but I
could also see situations where (less broad) arguments would be important. The
guy that designed the photomosaic code might reasonably suspect that the next
guy to make a photomosaic product is using his code. Furthermore, there may be
copy protections in place preventing someone from getting at a binary to
disassemble to compare (e.g. an embedded device manufacturer may place copy
protection mechanisms on a ROM). The DMCA does not provide an exemption for
trying to determine whether a product is infringing IP or violating a license.
If a judge disallows SCO's request, I'm a little uncomfortable as to the
prescedent set.

Second, SCO is demanding release of essentially version control deltas of IBM's
codebase. While I suppose that a judge could order disclosure of this
information, he'd also have to feel that it's relevant, correct? I can't
understand how unreleased code could possibly be relevant. Copyright law
wouldn't affect unreleased, unpublished source code -- is the reason they can
do this because the case is a contractual one? I mean, what if IBM tied the
whole of SCO's codebase into AIX between releases and then removed the whole
thing? Would there actually be any license violation?

Third of all, this is starting to push things. What if IBM requests that the
case be dismissed based on this letter? Can SCO file a new civil suit, or
appeal the ruling?

Fourth, I know that barratry is illegal. Is there some sort of equivalent for
deliberately delaying a case?

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SCO's Reply Memorandum of Law in Support of its Motion to Compel Discovery
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:51 PM EST
Hmm, I think that I forsee an unprecedented and zealous use of "The
Chewbacca Defense" coming from the SCO side of the table.

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How's tis for a conspiracy theory...
Authored by: hoarder on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 03:44 PM EST
SCO has stolen AIX codebase in their possession that is an off-distribution
development snapshot where they have found an ace in the hole. But in order to
use that in the case they need to make ARGUMENT A until they get a cvs snapshot
where they could point to the code without revealing that they have such a
codebase.

It's the only reason I can think of for them to argue A so vehemently.

Oh and to make the conspiracy theory a bit juicier, they got this stolen
snapshot from MS.

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