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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:12 AM EST

Here is IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery [PDF]. By the way, IBM has subpoenaed the following, according to Pacer, though it isn't yet up on the public the court records [update: the court at that time offered the documents in this case for free; link no longer resolves]:
Subpoenas Duces Tecum upon Northrop Grumman Corp; Sun Microsystems, Inc.; Schwartz Communications, Inc. for the production of documents by 12/16/03 by Intl Bus Mach Inc.
Schwartz is their PR firm. Sun is...well, you know. And Northrop?! What does IBM know that we don't? Time to start digging for a connection. Anybody have a clue? Might they be the shy licensee that didn't want their name known?

This document is barely formatted. We're working mighty fast. But the information is clear and readable and that is what matters. I'll circle back around at some point and fix the appearance. Look for Groklaw.

UPDATE: Thanks to Chris Brewer, who formatted it for me while I slept, I didn't have to swing back around myself and fix the formatting. Thank you, Chris!


SNELL & WILMER L.L.P.
Alan L. Sullivan (3152)
Todd M. Shaughnessy (6651)
[address, phone, fax]

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE LLP
Evan R. Chesler (admitted pro hac vice)
David R. Marriott (7572)
[address, phone]

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff International Business Machines Corporation

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF UTAH

THE SCO GROUP, INC.

Plaintiff/Counterclaim-Defendant,

vs.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION

Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff.

IBM'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY

Civil No. 2:03cv0294

Honorable Dale A. Kimball

Magistrate Judge Brooke Wells

Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff International Business Machines Corporation ("IBM") respectfully submits this Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery from Plaintiff/Counterclaim-Defendant The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO").

Preliminary Statement

IBM filed this motion to obtain discovery that is fundamental to the case. Specifically, IBM asks that SCO be compelled to (1) identify with specificity the Linux code (by file and line of code) that SCO has rights to, how (if at all) IBM is alleged to have infringed SCO's rights, and whether SCO has made any such code available to the public, and (2) produce documents responsive to requests made more than five months ago, including SCO's supposed evidence of wrongdoing by IBM.

It is indisputable that SCO has and can readily provide the information IBM seeks. Indeed, SCO has proclaimed repeatedly for months that it knows the "misappropriated code" that is in Linux. According to SCO, it has "done a deep dive into Linux [and] compared the source code with Unix every which way but Tuesday", and is prepared to present its evidence "in the courtroom".1

Yet SCO refuses to provide this information to IBM. In fact, SCO continues to attempt to delay these proceedings, which it commenced, by arguing (albeit without support) that this motion is premature. As explained below, SCO's arguments as to why it should not presently be required to answer IBM's interrogatories and produce responsive documents are meritless.

Argument

I. IBM HAS MADE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO RESOLVE DISCOVERY DISPUTES WITH SCO, TO NO AVAIL.

Contrary to SCO's assertions, IBM did not fail properly to meet and confer with SCO before filing this motion. As discussed in the accompanying declaration of Todd M. Shaughnessy, IBM has made more than reasonable efforts to confer with SCO regarding the discovery disputes before the Court. IBM and SCO exchanged numerous letters and e-mails and participated in several telephone conferences, and the parties could not reach agreement on any of the issues on which IBM has moved.

Although IBM did not confer with SCO specifically regarding Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13, any such effort would have been futile. SCO's responses to these two interrogatories merely "incorporate[] its answers" to IBM's first set of discovery requests. (Exhibit A, attached to IBM's Memorandum in Support of Second Motion to Compel Discovery ("Opening Br.").) The parties had already conferred at length about those answers, and they are the subject of IBM's first motion to compel. As SCO refused to provide adequate responses to IBM's first discovery requests after lengthy discussions between the parties, and again after IBM filed its first motion to compel, there was no reason to believe that any further discussion between the parties would have been productive.2

Since the same fundamental impasse between the parties existed with respect to IBM's first and second discovery requests, we believed it was most efficient to present both issues to the Court at the same time. There is no reason why this Court should not address IBM's second motion to compel now. See, e.g., Reidy v. Runyon, 169 F.R.D. 486, 491 (E.D.N.Y. 1997) (noting that Rule 37(a)(2)(A) does not prevent courts from addressing merits of discovery motions when "the exigencies of time require speedy action" and "compromise is unlikely to be achieved"); accord Land Ocean Logistics, Inc. v. Aqua Gulf Corp., 181 F.R.D. 229, 235-36 (W.D.N.Y. 1998). In fact, we understood the Court, at the initial conference with the parties, to express a preference for dealing with all of SCO's answers to IBM's discovery requests at the same time.3

Notably, notwithstanding SCO's contention that IBM failed adequately to meet and confer before filing this motion, SCO does not assert that IBM's concerns could have been resolved by further discussion between the parties. Indeed, SCO makes perfectly clear in its opposition brief that it does not intend to provide IBM with the information it is seeking in this motion.

II. SCO SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO RESPOND TO IBM'S INTERROGATORY NUMBERS 12 AND 13.

SCO argues that it should not be compelled to respond to IBM's discovery requests because: (1) SCO's supplemental responses to IBM's Interrogatory Nos. 1, 2 and 4 "fairly respond" to Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13; (2) SCO should not have to identify all of the code in Linux that it has rights to; and (3) SCO requires additional discovery from IBM before it can provide more specific answers.4 Each of these arguments is without merit.

First, SCO's Supplemental Responses to Interrogatory Nos. 1, 2 and 4 do not "fairly respond" to Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13. (Opp'n Br. at 6.) We laid out in detail the reasons why SCO's supplemental responses to IBM's first discovery requests are deficient in IBM's Reply Memorandum and Addendum in Support of its First Motion to Compel Discovery. Rather than repeat those arguments here, we incorporate them by reference.

Moreover, as discussed in our opening brief in support of this second motion to compel (at 5-9), SCO's supplemental responses are also specifically deficient as to Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13.5 Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13 call for different information than do Interrogatory Nos. 1, 2 and 4, and it is not sufficient for SCO to simply rest on its answers to Interrogatory Nos. 1, 2 and 4. Nowhere in any of its responses does SCO ever: (1) identify with specificity (by file and line of code) (a) all source code and other material in Linux to which SCO has rights and (b) the nature of its rights, (2) how (if at all) IBM has infringed SCO's rights, and (3) whether, and under what circumstances, SCO has itself ever made any of the material available to the public. SCO should therefore be compelled to provide this information, which is expressly requested by Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13, immediately.

Second, SCO's objection to identifying all of the code in Linux that it has rights to is similarly baseless. SCO does not-because it cannot-even attempt to explain why IBM's requests are not relevant, apart from remarking that this case arises "out of IBM's misconduct". (Opp'n Br. at 4.) As discussed in IBM's opening brief (at 6-7), SCO ignores the fact that IBM has asserted counterclaims against SCO related to SCO's misconduct. Specifically, IBM has alleged that SCO has, among other things, violated the Lanham Act by misrepresenting its ownership rights in Linux, tortiously interfered with IBM's prospective economic relations by making false and misleading statements to IBM's prospective customers concerning Linux, and engaged in unfair and deceptive trade practices by publishing false and disparaging statements about Linux. As it has used the specter of all its supposed rights in Linux to create uncertainty in the marketplace concerning Linux, SCO cannot deny IBM discovery of SCO's rights to Linux. IBM is entitled to know all of the Linux code SCO has a right to, regardless of whether the code was contributed by IBM.

Third, SCO's claim that it requires discovery from IBM to respond in detail to IBM's discovery requests is just an attempt at misdirection.6 SCO has been publicly touting its knowledge of "improperly contributed" code and/or methods since this case was first filed. For example:

  • SCO Senior Vice President Chris Sontag said in May 2003: "We will actually be providing some of the evidence [of "improperly contributed" code] next month to various industry analysts, respected press people and other industry leaders so that they don't have to take our word for it or wait until we show some of that evidence in court. We will actually be showing the code, and the basis for why we have made the allegations that we have." Patrick Thibodeau, Q&A: SCO's Chris Sontag on Linux, Unix, and Brewing Legal Fights, ComputerWorld, May 29, 2003, available at http://www.computerworld.com/ softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,81613,00.html.
  • In June 2003, SCO's CEO Darl McBride said SCO had "turned a group of programmers loose--we had three teams from different disciplines busting down... the different code bases of System V, [IBM's] AIX and Linux. And it was in that process of going through the deep dive of what exactly is in all of these code bases that we came up with these more substantial problems." David Becker, Why SCO Decided to Take IBM to Court, CNET News.com, June 16, 2003, available at http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-1017308.html.
  • In October 2003, Sontag said: "This [code shown at SCO Forum in August 2003] was one example of misappropriated code that went into Linux. I would characterize it as the tip of the iceberg... I think we are saving our very best examples for the courtroom, where we will ultimately have to try our case." Michael S. Mimoso, SCO: No choice but to go after Linux, Search Enterprise Linux.com, Oct. 8, 2003, available at http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid39_gci931259,00.html.
  • Just two weeks ago, on November 18, 2003, Sontag similarly said: "We've identified a lot of different things. Early on when we filed against IBM, people wanted us to show the code, even though we're fighting a legal case and that's where it's appropriately vetted... There are other literal copyright infringements that we have not publicly provided, we'll save those for court. But there are over one million lines of code that we have identified that are derivative works by IBM and Sequent that have been contributed into Linux...." Barbara Darrow, CRN Interview: SCO's Darl McBride and Chris Sontag, CRN.com, Nov. 18, 2003, available at http:// crn.channelsupersearch.com/news/crn/46153.asp.
  • At a press conference that same day, McBride said: "[W]e've gone in, we've done a deep dive into Linux, we've compared the source code of Linux with UNIX every which way but Tuesday". He added, that, "by the way, we have shared the code in question there with IBM under the litigation event--they know what we're talking about over there". SCO Press Conference, Nov. 18, 2003, transcript available at http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031119011337666.

To the extent that its public statements are to be believed, SCO has already performed a detailed review of Linux, knows (as it obviously must) what rights it has in Linux, and is able to disclose its alleged "evidence".7 SCO does not need any discovery from IBM to provide this information. Indeed, SCO claims (inaccurately) to have already "shared the code in question there with IBM". Accordingly, there is no reason why SCO should be allowed to continue withholding this information from IBM.

III. SCO SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS RESPONSIVE TO IBM'S DOCUMENT REQUESTS.

SCO's reasons for not producing responsive documents undeniably within its possession are unconvincing. As an initial matter, SCO's attempt to sidestep its public statements about the analyses it has performed on Linux, and the resulting source code it has identified, by claiming such analyses pertain only to "non-IBM entities" is misguided. Any analyses that SCO has performed of supposed infringing code in Linux are relevant to this case (indeed, particularly analyses that find "improper contributions" only from "non-IBM entities") are responsive to IBM's document requests and should be produced.

SCO's additional excuse for its failure timely to produce documents responsive to IBM's document requests--that it has been occupied with producing source code for its computer programs to IBM--is disingenuous. The delay created by SCO's having to produce source code to IBM in two different formats is entirely of SCO's own making. Knowing full well that IBM would need its source code in electronic form so that proper analyses--such as those that SCO itself claims to have performed--could be conducted, SCO instead produced the source code on one million pages of paper, a format that does not facilitate any analysis of that code.8 The only reason for SCO's production of code on paper was, we believe, to stall the progress of these proceedings while giving the (false) impression of being forthcoming in its discovery responses. Indeed, SCO has publicly stated it is content to let the lawsuit "drag on" on the theory that it is entitled to "nearly one billion dollars [in damages] per week". Annabelle Bouard, Darl McBride Interview, Olnet.com, Oct. 22, 2300[sic], available at http://www.01net.com/article/220196.html (translated from French).

SCO has had more than five months to produce documents, but has by its own admission not yet produced numerous categories of documents that are responsive to IBM's document requests. SCO should be compelled to produce these additional responsive documents in its possession without further delay.

Conclusion

For the foregoing reasons, IBM respectfully requests that the Court issue an Order compelling SCO to immediately respond to IBM's Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13 with specificity and in detail and to respond to IBM's document requests.

DATED this 3rd day of December, 2003.

SNELL & WILMER L.L.P.

[signature]
Alan L. Sullivan
Todd M. Shaughnessy

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE LLP
Evan R. Chesler
David R. Marriott

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff International Business Machines Corporation

Of counsel:

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION
Donald J. Rosenberg
Alec S. Berman
[address,phone]

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff International Business Machines Corporation

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that on the 3d day of December, 2003, a true and correct copy of the foregoing IBM'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY was hand delivered to the following:

Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
[address]

and sent by U.S. Mail, postage prepaid, to the following:

Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise
BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address]

[signature]


1 SCO Press Conference, Nov. 18, 2003, transcript available at http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031119011337666; Michael S. Mimoso, SCO: No choice but to go after Linux, Search Enterprise Linux.com, Oct. 8, 2003, available at http:// searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid39_gci931259,00.html.

2 SCO asserts in its opposition brief that it "voluntarily revised and supplemented" its answers to IBM's first discovery requests. (SCO's Memorandum in Opposition to IBM's Second Motion to Compel Discovery ("Opp'n Br,"), at 7.) What SCO fails to say, however, is that its supplemental responses were served only after IBM filed its first motion to compel, and in conjunction with the filing of SCO's brief in opposition to that motion. In any event, as discussed in detail in IBM's Reply Memorandum and Addendum in Support of its First Motion to Compel, SCO's supplemental responses remain deficient.

3 This motion could not have come as a surprise to SCO. After the Court flagged the issue of SCO's responses to Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13 at the October 31, 2003 scheduling conference, IBM noted in its Reply Memorandum in Support of its First Motion to Compel Discovery (at 5 n.2) that it would shortly be filing this second motion to compel responses to Interrogatory Nos. 12 and 13. At no time before IBM filed this motion did SCO advise us that it thought the motion was unnecessary.

4 As a preface to its argument, SCO claims to put IBM's requests in "context" by once again setting forth SCO's interpretation of the contractual relationship between IBM and SCO's predecessors relating to Unix. As we have said before, we disagree with SCO's construction of the relevant contractual obligations.

5 SCO asserts that IBM has ignored SCO's supplemental responses to IBM's first discovery requests and focused instead only on SCO's initial responses. That is incorrect. IBM's Reply Brief and Addendum in Support of its First Motion to Compel Discovery are addressed entirely to SCO's supplemental responses. Moreover, we specifically discussed deficiencies of SCO's supplemental responses in our opening brief in support of this second motion to compel. (See Opening Br. at 6 (noting the inadequacy of SCO's identification of 591 files in unidentified versions of Linux that may or may not contain code over which SCO is asserting rights).)

6 IBM has explained in its opposition to SCO's motion to compel why SCO's discovery requests are irrelevant, overly broad and unduly burdensome, particularly in light of SCO's continuing failure to tell IBM what is really at issue in this case.

7 SCO attempts to disavow its various public statements and disclosures by claiming its analyses of "improperly contributed" Linux code relate to "non-IBM entities" and need not be identified in this case. (Opp'n Br. at 4, 9.) Not only is this contradicted by what SCO has said publicly, but it is also beside the point. As noted above, IBM is entitled to discovery of SCO's rights to Linux, even if they derive from the contributions of others.

8 SCO's assertion that it produced the source code for its computer programs on paper at IBM's direction borders on the frivolous, and is a plain misrepresentation of IBM's document requests. (Opposition Br. at 7-8.) IBM never instructed SCO to produce the source code on paper, and SCO never inquired of IBM whether it wanted the source code to be produced on paper. Rather, IBM asked in its document requests that SCO produce "source code", which was defined as the "human readable form of a computer program". "Human readable form" means code that is written in a programming language understood by humans, as distinguished from "machine-readable" "object code", which is comprised entirely of 1s and 0s. See, e.g., Webster's New World Computer Dictionary at 258, 350 (10th ed. 2003) (defining "source code" as "the typed program instructions that programmers write before the program is compiled or interpreted into machine language instructions the computer can execute" and "object code" as "the machine-readable instructions created by a compiler or interpreter from source code".) As SCO is well aware, "human readable" source code is written and stored in electronic form (i.e., on computers, diskettes, CDs or the like), and not on paper. Moreover, SCO has argued in support of its own motion to compel that it has known "from the beginning of the case, that it would be necessary [for the parties] to run various code comparisons". (SCO's Memorandum in Support of Its Motion to Compel, at 5.) SCO knows that such comparisons cannot be run using paper printouts of source code.


  


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They're off
Authored by: iZm on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:18 AM EST
Well they should be in the court now.

---
Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward.

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Weather Report from Utah
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:19 AM EST
Look out! It's raining lawyers!

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re: Northrup referemce
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:20 AM EST
I believe IBM sold Northrop a Linux cluster.

It's possible that Northrop got one of the 1500 extortion letters.

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On their Groklaw quotes
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:21 AM EST
I think they're using this site in a good way, by only referencing transcripts
that can only be found here. If IBM were to provide anything resembling a
systematic link to Groklaw, then SCO could play the "incrimination by
association" game, and link IBM to the few comments that refer to McBride
as a piece of *****. That might undercut IBM credibility for judge + jury.

By only saying, McBride said [quote transcript at groklaw], IBM does two
things:
- confront McBride with his own words
- show the rest of the world that Groklaw is the place to be for SCO-IBM
insight, and show Groklaw that its work actually matters.

[insert enormous amount of "PJ" cheers here]

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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: jrw on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:26 AM EST
To summarise: "Put up, or shut up. Now."

I never realised that a dry, souless, legal document could read quite so
beautifully. I don't play much sport, but I love watching someone do it well.
Never thought I'd think the same about something like this.

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Northrup Grumman
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:32 AM EST
Nice work. A quick check of the NorthrupGrumman website doesn't seem to support
the theory - They have several 'careers/job postings' listed, but only slight
mention of Unix systems requirements. (no Linux mentioned)

"Candidates with background skills in one or more of the following: C,
C++, object-oriented technology, Java, Perl, Sun workstations, computer
networks, software architecture analysis, GIS GUI, DBMS especially Oracle, and
web design for both Unix and Windows platforms. Candidates will develop
advanced, state-of-the-art design and implementation for command and control
systems, satellite ground station software, sensor data processing applications,
information management systems, rapid prototyping and simulation."

http://www.definingthefuture.com/careers/fast_list.asp

Not sure if that helps?

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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:37 AM EST
Connection between NORTHROP GRUMMAN and SCO?

Easy :-)

ALTIRIS INC

Yarro and Mott are listed as board members of Altiris and
NG has some connections listed in the EdgarOnline database

- 10-Q Quarterly Report

- S-3 Registration Statement

- S-3/A Amended Registration Statement

I dont have an Edgar subscription so that's as far as I can go but

http://www.altiris.com/sales/customerwins/industry/


lists NG as a customer. This

http://www.abqjournal.com/AED/855514biz04-07-03.htm

reports that NG and Altiris share a building. Finally
this

http://www.caldera.com/company/success/story.html?ID=3

reports NG as a customer of SCO.



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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:38 AM EST

I assume that everything the parties receive in discovery is under some kind of
confidentiality umbrella until actually used as evidence in the trial? So, if
IBM gets told what parts of Linux is infringing, the rest of the world is kept
in the dark?

If so, if IBM gets a lo-o-o-ng list of files and line numbers, do they have to
trace the origin themselves, or can they use the Open Source Community in any
way?

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netcraft
Authored by: phrostie on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 10:47 AM EST
not sure if this matters or not but netcraft says
" The site www.northgrum.com is running
Netscape-Enterprise/3.5.1 on Solaris 8 "

they are running Sun software.

---
=====
phrostie
Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS
and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings.
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux

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  • netcraft - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 12:44 PM EST
Reporting live from the courthouse; Kermit the Frog
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:01 AM EST
"Kermit the frog here, we're live just inside the
courthouse, waiting
for the arrival of Mr. McBride for today's hearing."

"Kermie..."

"Not now Miss Piggie"

"But Kermie, it just got so cold..."

"Now that you meantion it, I did feel a sudden chill in the
air. Oh
hold on, I think there is someone arriving now. Yes, it
looks like Mr.
McBride is entering the courtroom now."

"Que the microphone over to the benches, I think something
is happening
with the cabages. Yes, I think they are singing! Let's
get closer and
see if we can hear it"

"When a cold wind blows it chills you,
Chills you to the bone
But there's nothin' in nature that freezes your heart
Like He and bein' alone
Its pinks you with indifference,
Like a lady pinks with rouge
And the worst of the worst,
The most hated and cursed
Is the one that we call McBride
Un kind as any,
And the wrath of many,
This is Darl McBride
OH! There goes Mr. Lawsuit,
There goes mister grim
If they gave a prize for bein' mean
The winner would be him
Old McBride, he loves other peoples code
Cause he thinks it gives him power
If he became a flavor, you can bet he would be sour
(Even the vegetables don't like him!)
There goes mister stingy
There goes mister greed
Hes the undisputed master of the under-handed deed
He charges folks a fortune for his dark and drafty code
As poor users live in misery
He must be so lonely
He must be so sad
He goes to extremes to convince us hes bad
Hes really a victem of fear and of fright
Look close and there must be a sweet man inside
Nah! Uh-Uh!
There goes mister outrage,
There goes mister sneer
Hes got no time for friends or fun
His anger makes that clear
Don't ask him for a favor cause his nastiness increases
No crust of bread for those in need
No cheeses for us mices
Oh! There goes mister heartless, there goes mister cruel
He never gives
He only takes
Yes, thats his only rule
If being means
Away of life
He practiced and Rehearsed
And all that work is payin' off
Cause McBride is getting worse
Everyday in everyway
McBride is getting worse!"

"This was Kermit the Frog, reporting live from Utah..."




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Info about Northrup/Grumman
Authored by: Beyonder on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:02 AM EST
Where have you people been?

Northrup is the group that bought out TRW.
TRW was quite probably the largest defense contractor around.
at least, as far as that level of contractor goes.
We're talking hundreds of millions, if not trillions of dollars here.

The Win-T project by TRW was over 300 billion, if not more. It was a project to
equip every single soldier in the US army with Linux rigs. And not just
soldiers, but vehicles (tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, ships, you name it).

Win-T was in the process on that fateful Sept 11th, of course, once that
happened, who knows what became of it...

ok, so a $699 license times how many million ?
They could afford to buy a small country with just this one action...

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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:22 AM EST
Dont knoe if its been done already but found following errors in transcribe
links.
1.Transcribe
2.Correction

http://searchenterpriselinux. techtarget.com/cTna/0,289202,sid39
gci931259,00.html
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid39_gci931259,00.html


http://www.computerWorld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/
0,10801,81613,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,81613,00.html


http://news.com.com/2008-1082 3-1017308.html
http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-1017308.html

http://crn.channetsupersearch.com/news/crn/46153.asp
http://crn.channelsupersearch.com/news/crn/46153.asp

http://searchenter)riselinux.techtarget.com/ gna/0,289202,sid39
gci931259,00.html
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid39_gci931259,00.html



http:/Iwww.01net.com/article/220196.html
http://www.01net.com/article/220196.html

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Court Hearing
Authored by: sam on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:27 AM EST
Stopped by court on my way in and it turns out the hearing is open, room 436.
I'm taking my note pad and we'll see you all in a couple of hours.

btw- In the same building the olympic bribery case was dismissed today. There's
press everywhere! Maybe you'll see me on TV.

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Reformatting?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:27 AM EST
This is nice, but could you possibly get rid of the page numbers, and separate
out the footnotes? I keep trying to read them and things seem like they're cut
off? E.G. that last footnote from IBM about "human readable" vs.
"machine" ... is that cut off, or? I can't find where it's
continued.

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  • Reformatting? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:34 AM EST
  • Reformatting? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:46 PM EST
  • Reformatting? - Authored by: PM on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:34 PM EST
Northrop Grumman is an IT Outsourcing Provider
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:35 AM EST
Possibly SCO's data is hosted at a NG facility.

Duces Tecum is legalise for bring the documents with you.

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Typo
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:41 AM EST
Oct. 22, 2300

should probably be

Oct. 22, 2003

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Utah Live radio broadcast online....
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 11:43 AM EST
KSL News radio is currently discussing the Olympic court case in the district
court of Utah which was just ruled in the same courtroom where the SCO/IBM case
is being held.

I assume they may be discussing it/covering sco when they have something to
report. Listen to the broadcast here:

http://radio.ksl.com/index.php?nid=2

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Groklaw mentioned in IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 12:31 PM EST
Well, I haven't quite finished reading through the memorandum, but it does
confirm something that we've all thought: IBM's legal team is keeping up with
the happenings on Groklaw, as seen in the opening references.

It'll be a rather fun read in finding what comes out of the court hearings
today.

PJ: It's been said many times already, but thanks again for the effort and
time you spend in keeping up the site. Also many thanks to the volunteers which
help out with the transcripts, etc.

As a side note, it'll be an interesting time reading what comes out of the oral
arguments today.

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Suggestion for PJ regarding typos
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 12:38 PM EST
When you put up a new transcript, may I suggest that you also submit the first
post, requesting that typos and corrections be posted as a response to that
post.

That way, all the corrections will be grouped together, to make them easier to
spot, and to help avoid duplications. It will also hide those posts from the
front page, which should make people less reluctant about pointing out minor
typos.

As always, thanks for the great work.

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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: pooky on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 12:43 PM EST
IBM seems to at least be reading Groklaw, which is a good sign. I would bet that
while Groklaw doesn’t get used specifically as evidence, the more we turn up on
SCOG and provide theories/evidence to invalidate SCOG’s claims, the more IBM has
in the way of good ideas and pointers to evidence they can collect themselves
and admit into court to defeat SCOG.

Nothing like having an army of people providing your legal team with great
ideas! Keep up the great work Groksters! (Especially you PJ, your work is not
going unnoticed!)

-pooky


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SCO FUD = Faux SCUD?

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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support - Support Site
Authored by: Greg on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 12:44 PM EST

This site is quickly becoming the place for
a research repository. You all will possibly
be a critical resource for IBM and a thorn in
SCO's side.

Please understand that this effort, in my opinion
is not about SCO(MS) and their greed.

This battle is about how will GPL software
create value/wealth.

SCO(MS) will attempt to present and show that the
GPL community is destroying wealth.

The faster that this forum can show that GPL
software is wealth creating the better the
case will be for IBM.

Linux is on the edge of a new world, as Ford
created the assembly line, the use of GPL
will become the mechanism in the 21st century.

Who can describe the wealth creation and
wealth building by using GPL? In dollars.

Please keep in mind I am referring to the
use of capital (Money or People's time) to
create value (Money or saving people's time).

This is a really exciting time.
I hope that we can be clear and provide
the incentives to keep this technology
moving ahead.

Thanks
Greg

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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 12:49 PM EST
Nobody in the courtroom with wi-fi doing on-the-fly updates? For shame ;)

Just kidding. I'm sure groklaw will have details the instant they can be made
available.

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Northrop Grumman to be sued by SCO?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:16 PM EST
SCO's been claiming that they were going to pick a Linux user to sue. I know,
I know, it's just a claim that probably holds no water given their budget, but
might it be NG? And maybe IBM caught wind of it?

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IDC "predictions"
Authored by: geoff lane on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:33 PM EST
A TechWeb article reports an IDC report which says that...

  • " IBM will indemnify customers from possible damage related to SCO's actions"
  • "SCO to escalate its legal actions against Linux distributors and users"

Two points, IBM will indemnify customers when pigs fly and as SCO has yet to take any action against Linux distributors and users, how can it escalate?

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IBM wins BIG today.
Authored by: sam on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:35 PM EST
Just returned from the hearing.

Needless to say there was blood all over the floor on the SCO side of the aisle
none on the "left" side.

Judge granted both IBM motions to compel, gave SCO thirty days to comply
"with specificity" and suspended further discovery. Did not rule on
the SCO motion until next hearing scheduled for Friday, Jan 23 and 10:00 am.

SCO did say that they will be filing a complaint within days on copyright
violations.

More to come.

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Finger by finger
Authored by: overshoot on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 01:41 PM EST
The gloves are coming off:
The only reason for SCO's production of code on paper was, we believe, to stall the progress of these proceedings while giving the (false) impression of being forthcoming in its discovery responses. Indeed, SCO has publicly stated it is content to let the lawsuit "drag on" on the theory that it is entitled to "nearly one billion dollars [in damages] per week."
IBM is almost directly accusing SCO of deliberate delay.
SCO's assertion that it produced the source code for its computer programs on paper at IBM's direction borders on the frivolous.
IBM uses the "F"-word!

Sure looks to me like IBM is dropping some pretty heavy hints in the direction of a Rule 11 inquiry, doesn't it?

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Post-OCR translation project development help request
Authored by: aibanhamano on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:03 PM EST
Greetings. I recently started an Open Source project that I think can make it easier to pool the community's collective efforts to correct OCR software mistakes (for when we are converting scanned documents to ascii text).

It is called OTF (Open Translation Form), is written in Perl, and can be found here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/otf/

Basically, after someone runs the OCR, OTF could be used to break down the document into lines or sentences. Each line would have both a select field and an input field (an html form generated by a perl script). A contributor could either submit a new translation or vote for a translation that already was correct (in case someone else submits a translation with a mistake, the best translation gets the highest votes and is later extracted). So, basically, it is a self moderating system (like /.) that could greatly decrease the minimum amount of effort required for someone to contribute to the process of correcting the mistakes in post-OCR documents.

It has always been hard for me to explain this idea, so I learned Perl so that I could create a working example and could show it instead of try to describe it in words. Unfortunately, I still suck at Perl, so there are some gaping bugs (like, right now more than 10 lines on a page causes some major issues). Also, I originally thought this would be useful for regular foreign language translation (which it still might be, if I can ever get it to work well enough), so my example has a lot of Japanese in it. However, something is better than nothing, so here is the link to a messed-up, half working version of OTF:
http://24.243.220.118/cgi-bin/otf/index.pl

If anyone else thinks that something like this could help groklaw's mission, please let me know, and I will double my sincere, but clumsy, efforts to get this working right. If you also happen to know how to code, any feedback or criticism would be greatly, greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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SCO issues verbalized in court
Authored by: sam on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:04 PM EST
There are no offending "trade secrets" from SysV in the IBM case.

However:

"Trade Secrets" were stolen from Unixware during Monterey and
wholesale given to Linux.

"Confidential Information" was stolen from derivitive works of SysV
specifically Dynix, specifically NUMA and RCU.

IBM owns derivitive works but must "use" them as specified by
license, namely, treated as part of the original software and kept
"confidential".

IBM owns derivitive works but cannot step outside of the scope of the license
agreement.

All of their outrageous public statements, in their entirety, (which the judge
ripped them for) had nothing to do with IBM and were all related to SGI and that
SGI has acknowledged in some degree.

Comment: We must be very careful in how we loosely use the terms "trade
secrets" "confidential information" "copyright" as
SCO seems to place great emphasis on the particulars of each as they pertain to
various aspects of their claims.

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IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of its Second Motion to Compel Discovery.
Authored by: James on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:34 PM EST
I love it!!! Sorry to sound overly proud, but I'm so freaking happy IBM is
using the document I helped transcribe to nail SCO to the wall =Þ

Definitely makes me feel like my time was not wasted in the least (not that I
thought that before of course).

Rock on PJ.

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ones and zeroes, eyes and ohs?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 05 2003 @ 05:23 PM EST
readable object code, which is comprised entirely of is and Os.

....uh-oh.... :-)

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SCO Success
Authored by: jmoen on Saturday, December 06 2003 @ 10:40 AM EST
Could it be because Nothrop is a SCO (Caldera) Linux success story, see:
http://www.caldera.com/company/success/story.html?ID=3

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