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SCO's Motion to Remand
Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 07:09 AM EST

Here is SCO's Motion to Remand as text.

Don't get confused by their opening. It's Novell that asked that the matter be heard in federal court, where it is now, in front of Judge Kimball, the same judge as in the IBM case. SCO may have meant to write: "While Novell may prefer to have its claim heard in federal court," but instead their opening words are "While SCO may prefer to have its claim heard in federal court", which is a mistake. Or, as some readers have pointed out, it could be SCO saying that while they'd simply adore to have the matter heard by Judge Kimball, they are compelled to ask that it be remanded. Take your pick.

SCO is asking to send it back to the local Utah courts. They want it to be a contract case, which can be heard in the local courts; they very much do not want it to be a copyright case. Guess why.

Actually, the reasons are quite complex, legally, and I'll write about it separately. There is a very murky area of law on contract v. copyright. You may recall that Kevin McBride spoke on the subject in the December 5th hearing.

They focus their argument here on the one issue of whether this case should be a copyright case, heard in federal court, or a contract case, heard in local courts, by trying to shoot down a case that Novell used (in footnote [1]:

"1. The question of whether a purported copyright assignment constitutes a written instrument of conveyance under the Copyright Act requires interpretation of the Copyright Act and is sufficient to render this action within the original jurisdiction of the federal courts. Jasper v. Bovina Music, Inc., 314 F.3d 42, 46-47 (2d Cir. 2002)"

In their Notice of Removal, Novell argued the matter like this:

"16. The question of whether a purported copyright assignment constitutes an 'instrument of conveyance' or 'note or memorandum of [ ] transfer' under the Copyright Act requires interpretation of the Copyright Act and is sufficient to render this action within the original jurisdiction of the federal courts. Jasper v. Bovina Music, Inc., 314 F.3d 42, 46-47 (2d Cir. 2002).

"17. Therefore, this action is removable to this Court pursuant to 28 U.S.C. ยง 1441."

Everything else Novell argued is answered or should be in the other motion, their Memorandum in Opposition to Novell's Motion to Dismiss.

Because this argument hinges on this Jasper case, here is Jasper v. Bovina Music, Inc., which you might want to take a look at it. Novell's Memorandum in Support of their Motion to Dismiss is here. And SCO's Memorandum in Opposition to that Motion is here.

***********************************************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)
Mark R. Clements (7172)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
[address, phone, fax]

Stephen N. Zack (pro hac vice)
Mark J.Heise (pro hac vice) BOISE, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for Plaintiff The SCO Group, Inc.

______________________________________________

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH

______________________________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,
a Delaware Corporation,

Plaintiff,

vs.

NOVELL, INC,
a Delaware Corporation,

Defendant.

_______________________________________________


PLAINTIFF'S MEMORANDUM
IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO
REMAND

Civil No.: 2:04CV00139

Judge Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

________________________________________________

Plaintiff The SCO Group ("SCO") respectfully submits this Memorandum in Support of Motion to Remand. [1]

INTRODUCTION

While SCO may prefer to have its claim heard in federal court, it is obliged to raise the following legal issues which SCO believes preclude this Court from exercising subject matter jurisdiction over this case. Novell has improperly removed this case, claiming that SCO's claim arises under the Copyright Act. As explained below, this is a Utah common law tort action for slander of title. It involves the interpretation of a contract. The well-established rule is that such cases, even where the transfer of copyrights is a subject of the contract, present state law issues which should be determined in state court absent jurisdiction based on diversity grounds. Because both parties are Delaware corporations, there is no basis for diversity jurisdiction in this case. Novell has failed to meet its burden of establishing federal jurisdiction on federal question grounds under 28 U.S.C. 1331, and this case should be remanded.

BACKGROUND

Through an Asset Purchase Agreement dated September 19, 1995, as amended, SCO, through its predecessor in interest, paid Novell 6.1 million shares of SCO common stock, valued at the time at over $100 million, to acquire from Novell all right, title, and interest in and to the UNIX and Unixware business, operating system, source code, and all copyrights related thereto, as well as all claims arising after the closing date against any parties relating to any right, property, or asset included in the business. Although several years have passed since this transaction, in a recent and bad faith effort to interfere with SCO's exercise of its rights, and in concert with IBM who is in litigation with SCO in this Court, Novell has publically and falsely represented that it owns the UNIX and Unixware copyrights. Novell has made false representations with the specific intent to cause customers and potential customers of SCO to not do business with SCO and to slander and impugn the ownership rights of SCO in UNIX and Unixware and to attempt to hinder SCO's ability to protect the valuable copyrights it paid Novell so much to obtain. SCO has filed its claim for slander of title against Novell seeking, among other remedies, to prevent Novell from further representing in any forum that it has any ownership whatsoever in the UNIX and Unixware copyrights it sold to SCO in 1995.

STANDARD OF REVIEW

The burden of establishing federal jurisdiction lies with the removing defendant, who must establish jurisdiction based on a preponderance of the evidence. Martin v. Franklin Capital Corp., 251 F.3d 1284, 1290 (10th Cir. 2001). "This court must deny jurisdiction in all cases where jurisdiction does not affirmatively appear in the record and ... any ambiguities or doubts are to be resolved against removal." Harris v. Nationwide Ins. Co., 78 F.Supp.2d 1215, 1217 (D. Utah 1999).

ARGUMENT

In its removal papers, Novell claims that for the Court to determine the falsity of Novell's claims of purported ownership of the UNIX and Unixware copyrights, the Court must consider the parties' 1995 Asset Purchase Agreement. Novell claims that because Section 204(a) of the Copyright Act provides that copyrights may only be transferred by a written instrument, note or memorandum, SCO's claim arises under the Copyright Act because the Court must determine whether the 1995 Asset Purchase Agreement is a written instrument, note, or memorandum. Numerous courts have considered and rejected the precise argument Novell makes in this case.

It is well-settled that "an action 'arises under' the Copyright Act if and only if the complaint is for a remedy expressly granted by the [Copyright] Act, e.g. a suit for infringement or for the statutory royalties for record production..." T.B. Harms Co. v. Eliscu, 339 F.2d 823, 828 (2nd Cir. 1964) (affirming dismissal of copyright contract dispute for lack of federal question jurisdiction) (citations omitted). "[I]f the case concerns a dispute as to ownership of a copyright, and the issue of ownership turns on the interpretation of a contract, the case presents only a state law issue, and unless the complaint asserts a remedy expressly granted by the Copyright Act, federal jurisdiction is lacking." Jasper v. Bovina Music, Inc. 314 F.3d 42, 46 (2d Cir. 2002). See also Yount v. Acuff Rose-Opryland, 103 F.3d 830, 835 (9th Cir. 1996) ("We have indicated that state law determines the rights and obligations arising under a publishing contract that assigns a copyright."); Dolch v. United California Bank, 702 F.2d 178, 180 (9th Cir. 1983) (affirming dismissal of a contract claim for lack of federal question jurisdiction even though it involved copyrights, as "federal courts have consistently dismissed complaints in copyright cases that present only questions of copyright law"); Noble v. Great Brands of Europe, 949 F.Supp. 183, 185 (S.D.N.Y. 1999) (finding "federal jurisdiction does not attach to a claim involving only...ownership of a copyright, because such a claim does not 'arise under' the Copyright Act.").

In an attempt to avoid the clear application of the general rule, Novell cites the Second Circuit's opinion in Jasper where the court determined that federal subject matter jurisdiction was appropriate. As the Second Circuit went out of its way to make clear, Jasper "is the rare contract interpretation case that does present a substantial issue" under the Copyright Act. Id., at 47. "In most cases, there will be no doubt that the contract is a Section 204(a) writing, and the only substantial issue will be contract interpretation." Id. As set forth below, Jasper is clearly distinguishable from this case. [2]

First, the plaintiff in Jasper alleged its claim under the Copyright Act and sought remedies under federal law. Id. at 46-47 (outlining the issues creating federal jurisdiction "as [plaintiffs] see the case"). As the Tenth Circuit has held in determining questions of subject matter jurisdiction

It is for the plaintiffs to design their case as one arising under federal law or not, and it is not within the power of the defendants to change the character of plaintiff's case by inserting allegations in the petition for removal. It is fundamental that the action is not one arising under federal law where the federal question is supplied by way of defense.

Warner Bros. Records, Inc. v. R.A. Ridges Dist. Co., Inc., 475 F.2d 262, 264 (1973); see also Cardtoons, L.C. v. Major League Baseball Players Ass'n, 95 F.3d 959, 964 (10th Cir. 1996) (holding that it is the character of the complaint and not the defenses that "determines whether there is federal question jurisdiction"). Unlike the plaintiff in Jasper, SCO has specifically alleged its slander of title claim under state law and is not seeking a remedy under federal law. Novell's attempt to recharacterize SCO's common law claim as a claim raising substantial issues under the Copyright Act should be rejected. See Jasper, 314 F.3d at 47 (stating that "[t]he difficulty is that almost every case involving contract interpretation...could be recharacterized as a case appropriate for a federal court simply by framing the issue to be whether the disputed contract qualified as a writing...However, the line drawn in T.B. Harms connot be obliterated by such gymnastics.").

Second, the "rare" issue in Jasper was whether an assignment of copyrights made separately from the contract by defendants to a third party and signed only after the fact by the copyright owner, was a "writing" under the Copyright Act. 314 F.3d at 46-47. The plaintiff in Jasper raised questions involving the Copyright Act beyond merely asserting title to a copyright. Here, there is only the language of the 1995 Asset Purchase Agreement as amended. There are only two parties in interest, and no third party or assignees to complicate the matter. SCO's slander of title claim presents a simple contract question regarding whether Novell's claim of ownership of the UNIX and Unixware copyrights is contrary to the 1995 Asset Purchase Agreement as amended. Contrary to Novell's assertion, Jasper does not support removal in this case.

CONCLUSION

While SCO believes this Court can fully and properly address the issues raised in SCO's Complaint, this Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to do so. This is a Utah common law tort action for slander of title and involves the interpretation of a contract. Novell has failed to meet its burden of establishing jurisdiction on federal question grounds under 28 U.S.C. 1331, and this case should be remanded to the Third Judicial District Court for the State of Utah where it may proceed forward on the merits.


[1] Novell has filed a Motion to Dismiss SCO's Complaint. This Court should not address Novell's Motion until it has addressed and ruled on SCO's Motion to Remand. See In re Bear River Drainage District, 267 F.2d 849 (10th Cir. 1959)(when a district court is faced with a motion to remand and a motion to dismiss, the court should "rule first on the motion to remand" and if granted send "the motion to dismiss back to state court").
[2] As an initial matter, it should be noted that the issue of federal court jurisdiction in Jasper was first raised by plaintiff on appeal following a full bench trial on the merits of the case. Certainly, the procedural posture of the case weighed heavily on the Second Circuit's determination that Jasper was the "rare" exception to the well-established rule against federal court jurisdiction over claims involving contract interpretation.


DATED this 5th day of March, 2004.

By: _[sig: Brent O. Hatch__
HATCH JAMES & DODGE
Brent O. Hatch
Mark R. Clements

BOISE, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise

Attorneys for Plaintiff

_________________________________________

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I HEREBY CERTIFY that on this 5th day of March 2004, I caused to be mailed a true and correct copy of the foregoing to the following by the method described below:

By Hand Delivery:

Thomas R. Karrenberg
John P. Mullen
Heather M. Sneddon
ANDERSON & KARRENBERG
[address]

By U.S. Mail, postage prepaid:

Paul Goldstein
[address]

Michael A. Jacobs
Matthew I. Kreeger
MORRISON & FOERSTER
[address]

__[sig:]__


  


SCO's Motion to Remand | 344 comments | Create New Account
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Updates and URLs here please
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 07:12 AM EST
Please put news and urls, updates, here so people can find them easily.
Thank you.

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Mistakes, Typos here
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 07:14 AM EST
Please record my mistakes for posterity here. Thanks. That way I can find
them quickly.

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Contract?
Authored by: brenda banks on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 07:28 AM EST
isnt there a California restriction that the contract has to held to california
law?
is so wouldnt that still require federal court?


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raelians proof of the cloned baby"

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Used to work at SCO
Authored by: n8dawg on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 07:33 AM EST
Ok slightly off topic, but I used to work at SCO about 4 years ago. I worked as
a software engineer while all the project Monterey stuff was happening and saw
some interesting stuff going on. Most of Unixware I'd say was developed on
Linux using Linux tools. That was the OS of choice for most developers.
Another interesting point is that SCO had a few contractors working on the
Kernel, these guys were good. Guess what they worked in their spare time...
Other amusing points were, AIX pretty much compiled out of the box on x86, and
was far far faster than UnixWare, thats on x86.

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: vonbrand on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 07:37 AM EST
First, I think you are mistaken about the first line being a typo. Even exactly as written it makes sense: "SCO would so very very much like this to be tried in federal court, but we are so extremely sorry this doesn't apply because..."

Secondly, are there any differences in the way a transfer of rights has to be expressed between state and federal? This would explain a lot of the weirdness of this suit... by keeping this in state court I assume they want weaker transfer of rights standards to apply than the stringent ones in copyright law.

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TROLL
Authored by: uchuha on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 08:04 AM EST
Unless AC means that you should save all of your comments and publish them in a book... ;)

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Indeed another mistake.
Authored by: nealywilly on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 08:05 AM EST
For consistency's sake, I hope you bothered to e-mail Bob Mims of his mistake.

And Enderle, DiDio

And even truly unbiased reporters/columnists who made honest mistakes.

But I doubt it.

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OT: Register parody of SCO
Authored by: bete noire on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 08:06 AM EST
Okay, so it has nothing to do with this post. But The Register is running a rather brilliant parody of the SCO affair here:

http://www.theregister .co.uk/content/30/36116.html

Be warned it is of a scatalogical bent, so those who demur at such language should shy away.

Apologies for the off-topicness, and also if this is something that has already been posted here.

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Are they forgetting OldSCO?
Authored by: penfold on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 08:13 AM EST
Second, the "rare" issue in Jasper was whether an assignment of copyrights made separately from the contract by defendants to a third party and signed only after the fact by the copyright owner, was a "writing" under the Copyright Act. 314 F.3d at 46-47. The plaintiff in Jasper raised questions involving the Copyright Act beyond merely asserting title to a copyright. Here, there is only the language of the 1995 Asset Purchase Agreement as amended. There are only two parties in interest, and no third party or assignees to complicate the matter.
Seems to me they have conviently forgotten they ARE the third party. The first two parties being OldSCO and Novell.

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Blood from a turnip? That's easy! Try getting SCOX to produce evidence!

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 08:31 AM EST
I am not sure I have a real good handle on all the details here, but SCO knows
full well that this is a copyright case. They are claiming it is not because
tranfer of existing copyrights (basically the ones Novell has) is not
necessarily a federal matter, and does not fall under the remedies available to
a copyright infringement case. But remember, SCO is basing this on their initial
claim, not on where the case could end up. Novell will most likely make this a
copyright case.

I see this as more SCO delay tactics. Get the case remanded to the state court,
have Novell turn it into a federal case, then delay while filing the federal
case, then delay some more because of the change in venue and eveidence
required.

SCO does not want to see a trial.

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: blacklight on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 08:39 AM EST
From the SCO Group's motion to remand:
"While SCO may prefer to have its claim heard in federal court, it is
obliged to raise the following legal issues which SCO believes preclude this
Court from exercising subject matter jurisdiction over this case."

Crocodile tears


From the SCO Group's motion to remand:
"..." T.B. Harms Co. v. Eliscu, 339 F.2d 823, 828 (2nd Cir. 1964)
(affirming dismissal of copyright contract dispute for lack of federal question
jurisdiction) (citations omitted). "[I]f the case concerns a dispute as to
ownership of a copyright, and the issue of ownership turns on the interpretation
of a contract, the case presents only a state law issue, and unless the
complaint asserts a remedy expressly granted by the Copyright Act, federal
jurisdiction is lacking."

That citation could be a problem for Novell, but the specifics of that citation
seems to be that it was the plaintiff who wanted to sue in Federal Court and was
precluded from doing so. However, Novell is the defendant in this case and is
the one who wants to move the proceedings to Federal Court. At this point,
Novell probably needs to come up with a memorandum that specifically addresses
the SCO Group's citations.



From the SCO Group's memorandum in opposition to Novell's motion to dismiss:

". As the Ninth Circuit has held in a leading case on the subject,
"[t]he [ยง204(a)] rule is really quite simple: If the copyright holder
agrees to transfer ownership to another party, that party must get the copyright
holder to sign a piece of paper saying so. It doesn't have to be the Magna
Charta; a one-line pro forma statement will do." Effects Associates, Inc.
v. Cohen, 908 F.2d 555, 557 (9th Cir. 1990). The Asset Purchase Agreement as
amended and as alleged in SCO's Complaint clearly meets the requirements of a
Section 204(a) writing."

The SCO Group is probably citing Reflects Associates Inc. vs. Cohen out of
context: for all I know, this case was about a single copyrights whereas Novell
owns hundreds of copyrights. Given that Novell owns hundreds of copyrights, it
makes sense that any copyrights transfer agreement specifically states which
copyrights are to be transferred in connection with that agreement, unless the
agreement specifically states that all copyrights of a clearly delineated
category are to be transferred. Amendment 2 does not appear to meet either
criterion. Within this context, the SCO Group's assertion that the APA and its
amendments clearly meet the requirements of Section 204(a) is probably an
exercise in wishful thinking. The SCO Group made the citation, probably hoping
that the judge does not have the ability to think for himself or herself.

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SCO filed 8k at 6am
Authored by: jog on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 09:20 AM EST
I guess they want it seen (today) hmmm.

jog

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 09:22 AM EST
I personally think that SCO's objective is to delay the actual trial as long as
they possibly can. SCO plans to publicly insist that they absolutely,
positively hold undisputed ownership until a court rules otherwise, allowing
them to continue their little extortion game.

Another benefit of moving the trial to state court is that they get a new
judge(s?) that might fall for the same delaying tricks they used in SCO vs IBM.
I think SCO has pretty much exhausted the patience of Judge Wells and Judge
Kimball, and would be unlikely to get away with repeating the same nonsense in
their courtrooms.

A further benefit would be if the case was remanded, and then turned out to be a
federal issue anyway and had to be moved again. Boies could probably milk at
least another two years of delay out of that little dance.

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: be2weenthelines on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 09:22 AM EST
IANAL, but it looks to me like SCO is right on this one. It does seem to me
that SCO's claim to own the copyright hinges on the interpretation of the APA
which is just a matter of contract law, and so, from my limited understanding, a
state court matter.

I still think SCO will lose their Slander of Title action in state court because
ownership of the copyrights is far from clear. I think the state court will go
only as far as saying "The APA is a mess, it is not clear what the parties
intended, or who owns the copyrights, so no Slander of Title because no clear
title." without even addressing the issue of who actually owns the
copyrights. That will become the subject of yet another court case...

be2

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OT: what the hey is going on with SCO stock?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 10:12 AM EST
For some reason SCO has climbed 7+ % in the first 20 minutes today...

Are people really believing SCO execs will start buing back shares?

Sheessh.

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OT: BraveGNUWorld
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 10:12 AM EST
I haven't seen this mentioned in the comments yet, sorry if it's duplicate:
Brave New World Reloaded

BraveGNUWorld has paid tribute to our own fantastic PJ!

Long-time lurker, first-time poster. Keep up the good work!

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  • OT: BraveGNUWorld - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 01:50 PM EST
Extermely OT: More "free" software dropping support for TSG
Authored by: Turing_Machine on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 10:14 AM EST
A very powerful and free spam scanning software that plugs directly into the free version of sendmail has pulled support and even permission from TSG to use or ship this product.
It is called Kai's SpamShield, and it is probably the most comprehensive and extensible, as well as user-friendly spam filter available. It can be found Here, and has been very successful in spam and even virus protection for our company. If your company or group is using sendmail for mail transfer, it is a great product. Anyway, this product may not be sendmail, itself, which TSG does distribute, but it IS the best spam solution for those very servers that TSG is selling.
I wonder if there should be a list of all software that has dropped support or licensing for TSG somewhere. This product, while not appearing in movies like Fyodor's NMAP is an equally valuable friend to any sysadmin.

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: Bill The Cat on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 10:23 AM EST
I'm a music publisher and I've been following a copyright-contracts case that
was in the U.S. District Court (Northern District) of Texas. The similarities
have been quite a few.

That case was dismissed because it was determined to be a "contract"
case and not a copyright case. The gist is that an artist had signed some
copyright transfer agreement with a record label. When the artist left the
label, they wanted to retain their copyrights. Since the argument was about the
wording of the "contract" and not copyright, the Federal court decided
not to hear the case.

I'm not sure what the status is today. When the court opinion is put on the
net, I will know more.





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Bill Catz

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Clueless thestreet.com article
Authored by: capitalist_pig on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 10:34 AM EST

I have an Ameritrade account, and I just used it to get a quote on SCOX. On the news bar appeared this clueless gem:

http ://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/markets/marketfeatures/10148199.html

Note how they call it a "campaign to privatize Linux" and they still repeat the misinformation about Computer Associates' Linux license. Amazing. Run lemmings run! Go long on that stock! Wheeeeeee!

You know, I wonder how much other news in the investment world is this poorly researched and full of baloney? It's actually pretty scary when you think about it.

A lot of clueless investors are going to have a big coyote morning pretty soon when they wake up next to that pig wearing lipstick.

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OT: The accountant, in the den, with a stapler.
Authored by: belzecue on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 10:49 AM EST
So just how good is Robert K. Bench, CFO. Can he steer the good ship SCOX out from the jagged maw of Big Blue?

Let's take a retrospective look at Bob's employment history and track record.

First up to the plate is Envirofoam Technologies where Bob served as Vice President and director for six months from April 2000 to November 2000. What do these guys do? Well, if you get covered in anthrax then they'll probably hose you down with their foamy goop -- which just so happens to be a mixture of hair conditioner and laundry detergent. I kid you not.

Here is what they say about themselves: EFT specializes in providing a complete package of services including EasyDECON solutions, application equipment and technical support services. EFT's goal is straight forward: provide the client with a one-use effective decontamination for weapons of mass destruction and major commercial industrial chemicals.

How is Envirofoam doing since Bob left? Well, their news releases cut out at the end of 2002, which doesn't look like a good omen. Hey, don't blame Bob -- he was only there for six months.

Moving right along, we come to Webmiles.com, where Bob spent a year (April 1999 to April 2000) clocking up his frequent browser miles as VP & CFO. I'd love to give you a link to their website, but, alas, they are defunct, so it would seem. Were they not defunct, here is how they would describe themselves: About WebMiles.Com, Inc Provider of e-commerce services that rewards customers with a certain amount of bonuses for each airline ticket that they purchase online.. Uh-hum. Yes, seemed like a good idea at the time, same as Darl's foray into web content management.

Sento Corporation (NASDAQ: SNTO) is where Mr Bench VPed & CFOed for three years from April 1996 to April 1999. Poor Sento fell hard with the DotBomb (who didn't?), with their stock tumbling from ~$28 preDB to a couple of bucks in 2003, and they are just now starting to recover (~$5). Interestingly, around the time Bob left them, Sento's stock was tanking around $7 after reaching about $20 in mid 1997. Soon after Bob's own rubber hit the road, Sento stock soared on the DotCom wave to the aforementioned $28. Then, of course, WALLOP!

Sento describe themselves thusly: Sento Corporation (NASDAQ: SNTO) was founded in 1986 and has emerged as a leading provider of outsourced customer contact solutions that combine web-enabled customer service with best-in-class CRM. Sento has experience operating contact centers worldwide and provides customer support in 17 languages.

Finally, CerProbe, where as CFO Bob tinkered with the financials of semiconductors for five years from April 1991 through April 1996. CerProbe used to be listed on the Nasdaq (CRPB), but no longer, it seems.


Smashcut to present day... with Robert K. Bench now holding SCO's purse strings, and he figures there's room in there for... oh, about 5 billion dollars, give or take. Two questions from me: what kind of fumes does that envirofoam stuff put out, and how much of it did they stack in Bob's office when he worked there?

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An enormous stupid mistake to make
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 10:53 AM EST
While Novell may prefer to have its claim heard in federal court, Novell is
obliged to raise the following legal issues which SCO believes preclude this
Court from exercising subject matter jurisdiction over this case.

That makes sense.

PJ, you've outdone youself lifting the obfuscation that SCO tries to introduce
on each occasion.

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OT: Sign Petition to recall Verisign
Authored by: bobn on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 11:01 AM EST
This is totally off-topic, but is another chance to improve competition and choice. This petiton deals with getting Verisign (aka Network Solutions) out of the position they have used to abuse DNS Domain registration and DNS function in the .com and .net TLDs. https://www.recallverisign.com/

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SCO in bed with Yahoo! Finance?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 11:05 AM EST
I've noticed something fishy on Yahoo! Finance lately.

When you enter a stock symbol into the search box it brings up a page containing that stock's recent performance data and the latest news headlines related to it. So when you enter NOVL (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t& amp;s=NOVL) you'll see among the related news headlines some items that paint a less than rosy portrait of SCO.

The headlines displayed today contain links to juicy articles such as:

  • NEWS ANALYSIS: SCO's Suit: A Match Made in Redmond?
  • SCO Aimed at Bank of America
...and so on.

Yet when you visit the page for SCOX (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t& amp;s=SCOX) the aforementioned stories are nowhere to be found among the headlines. In fact, there are no articles at all that even hint that something might be rotten at SCO. Why is that?

At first I thought there must be some kind of rule at Yahoo! Finance against posting negative articles about a stock on that stock's info page, but then a quick look at IMCL (Imclone, of Martha Stewart fame) disproved that theory.

Some investors doubtless are making decisions based on the information Yahoo! Finance provides on their site. Let's just hope that's not their only source of investment information.

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Are we so sure...
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 11:42 AM EST
that this is a mistake on SCO's part??? It might have been done purposely to
undermine Novell. It would NOT surprise me, AT ALL!

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: blacklight on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 11:46 AM EST
The situation as I currently understand it is that the dispute is a contract
dispute that requires an interpretation of the US Copyrights law to be
adjudicated properly, and only Federal Courts are empowered to interpret the US
Copyrights Act. Therefore, it's off to Federal Court with the Novell-SCO Group
dispute. Some day, I am going to be good at this!

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Is this motion even legal?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 12:21 PM EST
Wan't there an order giving SCO a few extra days to file their response to
Novell's motion to dismiss? Wasn't one of the conditions in that order that SCO
would not be allowed to file any other motions? Is filing a motion to remand to
state court a violation by SCO of that order?

Sorry, only questions, no answers.

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OT: PR scox/licence buy back
Authored by: phrostie on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 12:42 PM EST
a thought just acured to me.
TSG just made an annoucement that will may start buying back scox stock. i
think it is safe to say that this was only intended to boost the price of scox.
for the moment it seems to be working.

if anyone gets the chance to ask a question, ask if they will buy back their IP
licences also?


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Prediction: SCO loses.
Authored by: sam on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 12:57 PM EST

Reading everything in context tells me that SCO intended the motion as it is written. They are kissing up to Judge Kimball while at the same time attempting to argue that another court would be better than his. They really don't want to upset him. They know their motion will not succeed and they are stuck with him. Their opposition to the move to Federal court is simply a matter of "going through the motions". No pun intended.

Why? Granted the core issue is a contract issue, but a minimal interpretation of the copyright act is required to determine if the contract is a sufficient document to execute transfer of copyrights.

I still maintain that Novell also wins the copyright issue. Despite SCO repeated assertions (pleadings) regarding the "plain language" of the APA, sayin' it's so don't make it so. The copyrights REMAIN on the schedule of EXCLUDED assets in both the APA and the amendment. The amendment simply adds a criteria, a trigger, wherein certain required copyrights, not all, will be subsequently transferred. Although SCO argues that all UNIX copyrights are "required", they have yet to prove that or even advance an argument in support of that. They have yet to show any infringments from copyrighted UNIX material so Novell can easily argue that they still do not need the copyrights in order to "exercise" their rights. At a minimum, Novell can easily ask SCO to specify precisely *which* copyrights they presently need (are required).

Novell can also argue as SCO has done, that the contingency/trigger applies to the acquisition of UNIX and UnixWare technologies. They only need to argue a different meaning, that the acquisition of the "technologies" is complete and has been complete for many years hence the copyrights are not and were not "required".

The next sentence in the 2nd amendment also allows Novell to argue that the contingency/trigger only applies to "defending" copyright claims from third parties. However, in no event shall Novell be liable to SCO for any claim brought by any third party pertaining to said copyrights and trademarks.

It is just too far of a stretch to say that the language intended all copyrights to be transferred while remaining on the schedule of excluded assets.

All in my opinion and IAAL. (I am a layman.)

Apologies for arguing the merits when the issue at hand is federal vs. state court.

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SCOX chart
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 01:48 PM EST
This makes me very happy. It's nice to see that people are finally figuring it out.

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Daffy Question
Authored by: Tim Ransom on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 02:42 PM EST
If this has been addressed already, my apologies.
Is there any relevant cases where Slander of Title was contingent on waiting for
copyright to be established? Perhaps I should wade through the cases cited by
Novell - do any of these perfectly fit? I know I should read them myself, but I
am up to my eyeballs and hoping to benefit here from the good work of others -
also I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so the legalese tends to cripple
my comprehension.

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  • Daffy Question - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 03:34 PM EST
    • Daffy Question - Authored by: sam on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 04:02 PM EST
      • Nope - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 07:29 PM EST
  • Jasper - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 04:30 PM EST
OT TSG's new counsel in IBM suit.
Authored by: kbwojo on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 02:49 PM EST
Has any one found out anything about TSG's new cousel in the IBM case?

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 03:45 PM EST
SCO's Motion to Redmond? WOW!

(Oh, never mind.)
- The Precision Blogger
http://precision-blogging.blogspot.com

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OT Spanish Linux Supercomputer
Authored by: wllacer on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 04:03 PM EST
For those interested, the Spanish Supercomputer IBM is building will enter into service early next year (and not in 4 years as i previously reported) according to the spanish newspaper ABC

Still to few technical details

Was frontpage this morning but due to the sad events is now deep buried.

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Buyback
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 04:59 PM EST
Whatever SCO was trying to pull with its buyback program, it ain't working.
The fat lady should start singing anytime soon. SCOX 9.25 -0.26 (-2.73%)

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SCO bought a 'Pig in a Poke'
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 05:04 PM EST
http://www.ecosyn .us/SCO_v_IBM_copyright_issues.html




  • First, an exaggerated 'silly' example is presented.
  • Then, the silly part is pointed out/explained why it is silly.
  • Then, a corresponding silly premise of the SCO controversies is shown in concise form.
  • Then, an explanation why 100,000,000 bytes per day of comments and discussion on SCO's silly arguments is a waste of bandwidth and waste of time -- pure misdirection.




Let's say I buy a house on some land. I obtain a clear reseached title to the land. It is mine, and I can set rent at any price I choose on the land. I decide I would like to charge every person rent at my set price who has ever occupied that land, going back in history as far as I can research occupations of "my" land.

This is a 'silly' position for me to take, because the laws do not apply current status to retroactive events before current status came into being. Are we all agreed that this "silly argument' is not worthy of court time or 100,000,000 bytes of daily discussion on the pros and cons of my silly argument?




  • The SCO controversies are "silly" because they apply present status to preceeding events.
  • The SCO controversies are "silly" because they attempt to apply current status "derivative works" copyright standards as if the work was mostly protected copyrighted original works of authorship, when analysis demonstrates that UNIX System V is a derivative work on a largely PUBLIC DOMAIN collection of modules, reflecting prior status under prior law.
  • The SCO controversies are "silly" because "old SCO" was intimately involved in porting UNIX to XENIX in 1983, only three years after software first became a protectable work and 14 years after UNIX origin, at a time in history that they knew the irrevokable largely public domain status of UNIX modules constituting the majority of the source code they were creating as a derivative work, known in Copyright Law parlance as a new "compilation".




Beginning in 1980, computer software became copyrightable. Before 1980 no software source code and/or object code was copyrightable. Old code written before 1980 could be grandfathered into copyright protected status only if it had been continually maintained in confidentiality according to the legal standards of pre-1980 "trade secret" laws. Any software pre-1980 vintage which can be shown to have forfeited "trade secret" status prior to 1980 was irrevokably in public domain. You do not have to like the law, but you and judges in courts are compelled to obey the laws as written, and as interpreted by caselaw.

I assert that there is ample evidence that UNIX forfeited "trade secret" status by multiple "publications" to assorted universities where the code was freely available to computer science students without "non-disclosure" agreements with the majority of them.

Furthermore, people are applying current status of copyright grants retroactively to events which occurred under prior law from 1969 to 1976. Today's status, based on amended laws of 1976, 1980, and the Berne Convention Treaty ratification in 1989, make "original works of authorship" automatically protected by copyright immediately "upon fixed expression of tangible form". The opposite was the status during the 1969 through 1976 period of UNIX early development -- when the applicable status was all works were NOT COPYRIGHTED until strict compliance with mandatory duties required by then current copyright law of the "Copyright Act of 1909".

Under the law during the 1969 to 1976 time period, publication was defined as "offering for sale, lease or loan" one or more copies of a work. Each tape, each revision on each computer tape, constituted publication. There is not the shadow of a doubt that UNIX was "published" between 1969 and 1976.


The questions to ask are:

  • Did UNIX have affixed the mandatory copyright notices in all publications prior to 1976, when that requirement was dropped?
  • Did "Trade Secret" requirement get violated during the 1969 through 1976 time span?
  • Is there some "good faith" efforts to preserve copyright protection signified by at least compliance with deposit of copies with the Copyright Office or Library of Congress, as required by law? What is the date of first compliance?
  • Did AT&T, and/or USL, acknowledge the copyright defects in UNIX in sealed court records of USL v BSDi?
  • Did AT&T publically acknowledge public domain status of UNIX versions slightly preceeding UNIX System V release 4?
  • Are the contested include files, header files, ABIs substantially identical to the prior versions in known Public Domain compilations?
  • What year did copyright notices first get affixed to UNIX source code, and how many publications were there prior to that date?
  • At what time did AT&T establish trade secret compliance programs, and what evidence exists that they effectively excluded innumerable computer science students from close examination of the source code?



To spend lengthy back and forth arguments over UNIX copyrights is "silly" waste of bandwidth and "silly" spreading of disinformation that the assumption should be that current status copyright laws should be argued over code created under different legal conditions.

  • First, it needs to be demonstrated how much of UNIX is actually copyrighted.
  • Then, it needs to be demonstrated how much of that small portion of UNIX is among the contested code.
  • Then, it needs to be established that those tiny fragments were improperly conveyed to Linux.



Novell conveyed clear copyrights to old SCO on manuals only. There was no clear copyright code other than that to convey. Old SCO was intimately involved with UNIX from 1983 porting to XENIX, and no disclosures of the vague and ambiguous copyright status of UNIX was required by full disclosure laws unpon transfer of the "UNIX business". "Copyrights, to be transferred, if requested" had an implicit requirement for lengthy and detailed investigations to determine the status of each line of code -- it was a burdensome and expensive undertaking which would not report much good news to either party of the contractual transfer. Both parties to the transfer were equally knowledgeable about the murky UNIX copyright history.
Transfers of UNIX from Old SCO to the successors in interest, i.e., the new SCO, may have imposed burdens of full disclosures which were not done, opening SCO to sue its parents, but that is the only possible lawsuits that have legal merit. SCO bought a "pig in a poke", and the courts are not their guardians for their own defects in due diligence to investigate purchases.


http://www.ecosyn .us/SCO_v_IBM_copyright_issues.html

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OT: Decent LinuxInsider Article
Authored by: Ted Powell on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 05:17 PM EST
A serious article on LinuxInsider, by Paul Murphy, about intrinsically different design philosophies between Windows and Linux/Unix.

Here's a snippet:

To the extent, for example, that we know what decisions the Microsoft people made, it appears that they generally made choices preferring efficiency for -- and external controls over -- a small number of processes over scalable multiprocessing and internal process control. In contrast, Unix developers, whether aiming at a true microkernel-like BSD (or Darwin) or a monolithic kernel like Linux, generally made the opposite choices to favor multiple processes running under adaptive internal controls.
Perhaps this accounts for the idea that different Windows services should be run on different boxes—so there aren't too many important processes competing for the same hardware.

A good read, IMHO.

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Why should this be a "contract" lawsuit?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 05:57 PM EST
Let me start by saying that SCO's memorandum appears to contain a lot more substance (references to case law, specific argument) than some of their filings in the IBM case dealing with SCO's novel "derivative works" theory. However, some of SCO's citations appear to miss the point in that the respective copyright transfers were not at issue, but some surrounding contractual obligations were.

Most of the comments on Groklaw seem to imply that the lawsuit is about the APA and whether it actually transferred copyright. However, the lawsuit is about "slander of title". As a layman, I'm surprised that you need a contract with someone that allegedly slanders your title. After all, a complete stranger could do that, and you want to be able to protest and recover damages. See July 1 entry in the Calendar of Conspiracy:

Anti-abortion activist Dale Pultz goes on trial in Dane County for filing a $700,000 bogus lien against a Milwaukee judge who ruled him in contempt of court. He also filed a "Common Law Arrest Warrant" against the judge. He is charged with slander of title and forgery.

To repeat, the "slander of title" lawsuit appears not to be a lawsuit primarily about the APA contract itself. (Given that SCO's allegations about the contract may be construed true when considering Novell's motion to dismiss, that could mean the motion to dismiss won't work out.)

That said, two aspects of "slander of title" are falsity and maliciousness (of Novell's utterances), and the falsity issue directly ties into the copyright transfer allegedly performed via the APA: If Novell says it still owns the copyrights, but the APA clearly would say otherwise, that would help SCO. However, the APA is certainly less than clear. It looks like an interpretation of the APA regarding copyright transfer is due, and that seems to be federal jurisdiction.

Btw, I'm not a lawyer.

Jens Maurer

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How do contracts of copyright transfers work?
Authored by: technoCon on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 05:59 PM EST
Suppose that two entities in some state enter in to a contract to transfer
something between them, but it is worded ambiguously. Suppose further that the
Feds have specific rules for the transfer of copyrights.

It seems to me that the state court would decide whether something has indeed
transferred between them or not. And it seems to me that the state court might
even specify that the something in question was a copyright.

However, I don't see how that would settle the issue. Are edicts of a state
court about a contract binding upon the federal government? If the State upholds
the putative transfer of property, the Feds would still have to interpret the
contract to establish that the transfer satisfied the Fed's rules concerning
such transfers. If the Feds held the transfer invalid, that would probably bear
upon any "slander of copyright" suits arising from the dispute.

Given the line of reasoning above, I would think that someone who wanted to
quickly resolve ownership of the copyrights in question would seek resolution at
a Federal level.

Of course, I don't understand the issues well enough to disabuse myself of the
nagging unease that I'm missing something.

Have I said IANAL lately?


Question of the law:

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SCOG admits copyrights are in dispute?
Authored by: xtifr on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 06:16 PM EST
From the Introduction: "It involves the interpretation of a contract."
If it involves interpretation of a contract, doesn't that mean that
"Slander of Title" doesn't apply? Doesn't that one statement
basically undermine their whole suit? This seems to me like a classically
SCOGish attempt to have their cake and eat it too. They want to claim that the
case doesn't involve interpretation of a contract so it won't be dismissed, but
they also want to claim that it does involve interpretation of a contract so it
can get moved to a more friendly (they hope) local court.

Can the judge look at the Motion to Remand while deciding the Motion to Dismiss?
Can the judge deny the Motion to Remand because Slander of Title, by
definition, does not involve contract interpretation, and then dismiss the case
(presumably without prejudice) because the Motion to Remand admits there is a
contract dispute? That would certainly seem like the most reasonable and just
course, but it might violate some procedural rules.

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OldSCO must have been reading the "HELP WANTED" ads
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 2004 @ 11:08 PM EST
As usual, SCO has it dead bang backwards. The state action can't get off square one until the Federal question is resolved.

When I looked at the motion to remand yesterday, my first impression was that Boise et Cie. had actually done some legal work for a change. On closer inspection, and having looked at Jasper v. Bovina (thanks for the link, PJ) (and everything else, not incidentally), I realized that they were up to their old tricks: carefully quote half of Novell’s claim, purport to knock down the straw man, and hope the judge is distracted from the real issue. To wit:

"...the Court must determine whether the 1995 Asset Purchase Agreement is a written instrument, note, or memorandum."

Bogus. The issue is not "is the APA a writing?" It is "is that writing a 204(a) transfer?" Two questions immediately arise. Only a Federal judge can answer at least the second (and IMHOETIANAL both). And only if both are answered “yes” can SCO sue for slander of title.

1) Did a transfer of rights take place?
2) If so, was it an exclusive transfer of all Title 17 rights?

As to (1), a promise to act is not itself the action. Willingness to transfer some undetermined set of rights, at some unspecified date, contingent upon an event (SCO's demonstration that they need the rights) that AFAIK has never taken place, does not equate to unqualified intent to transfer right now. We've discussed this.

But (2) even if some transfer and some demonstration is held to have occurred, it's not a copyright transfer unless the complete suite of rights available under Title 17 has been conveyed exclusively to the new owner, with the old owner retaining none. Yet under any interpretation of the APA, Novell unquestionably retains (a) the right to profit 95 cents on every dollar SCO takes in under UNIX licenses, along with (b) the right to override and void any license agreement SCO enters into.

That's not an exclusive transfer, it's a sub-licensing deal. If I were to write that up as a classified ad, it would read:

OUTSIDE SALES REP - UNIX.
5% commission, no car allowance.
Call Ray, 1-800-555-NOVELL.

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SCO's Motion to Remand
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 12 2004 @ 03:28 AM EST
SCO is trolling for Trash

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