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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 12:36 AM EDT

Here it is. You won't believe your eyes. After dragging their feet and being pulled kicking and screaming through discovery (remember the "We couldn't make the deadline we agreed to because we had to shut the office down to celebrate Christmas" excuse?), with IBM having to bring two Motions to Compel (and SCO still hasn't coughed up everything, but is supposed to on April 19), and IBM winning both motions, which tells you plenty, SCO now has the gall to stand before the court and boldly say:

"Although SCO has diligently pursued discovery since the inception of this case, it is now apparent that discovery cannot be completed in the time remaining under the existing schedule."

Obviously, this is hilarious. If they were in a hurry to pursue discovery, why wait until April 19? Let's see the "infringing" code right this minute and get this show on the road. Of course that won't happen, and frankly I anticipate they may have another excuse on the 19th why they can't meet that deadline either. The real problem they have is, they told the judge they couldn't tell her where infringing code was in AIX unless IBM turned it over first. Instead, the judge told them to deliver their list of infringing code the same day as IBM turns over AIX, on the 19th. It's a real problem for them. Methinks there may be a connection.

SCO is now in the awkward position of having just asked to separate the patent claims, which they said should be done to "reduce both prejudice and delay", and now asking for a delay anyway for the non-patent claims. SCO just doesn't like deadlines. Whatever could the problem be?

"Where, oh, where have my million lines gone? Oh, where, oh, where can they be?"

Here are the excuses this time:

"(1) after the Scheduling Order was entered, IBM filed 10 counterclaims, including 4 claims for patent infringement; (2) discovery in this case was effectively stayed for four months; and (3) IBM's untimely reponses to discovery have hindered orderly prosecution of the case."

Here's what I would tell this judge, using Eben Moglen's style of talking to judges: "Your Honor, they delayed discovery, had to be forced to comply, and now they are using their own delay as justification for yet more delay, likely because they know that as soon as discovery is finished, you will rule on our request for a declaratory judgment, and then they will lose. Please make them stop." I'd probably also list all the delays they have asked for so far, too. It's quite a list.

Groklaw reader Steve Martin points out something else. In the Memorandum, SCO says that they filed their amended complaint prior to the Scheduling Order and that IBM filed their response after the Scheduling Order:

"On August 6, 2003, approximately six weeks after the Court established a schedule for the case, IBM responded to SCO's amended complaint (which had been filed prior to the entry of the Scheduling Order in June 2003) by answering but now also asserting 10 counterclaims..."

As Steve correctly points out, if you go to look at the IBM Timeline on this site, or the Pacer list, you will find that in actuality SCO filed their amended complaint after the Scheduling Order, not before. Here's the order it really happened. On June 16, SCO (then Caldera) filed a Motion to Amend, which was granted by Judge Kimball on July 10, the same day as the Scheduling Order. SCO filed its Amended Complaint thereafter, on July 22, and IBM timely responded on August 6.

What kept running through my mind as I transcribed this was a Law.com article about the Boies ethics complaint in Florida over his representation of Amy Habie, specificallly this sentence:

"Throughout the litigation, Habie and her attorneys have been sanctioned nine times by six different judges for violating at least 13 court orders related to the settlement and discovery orders."

I'd probably also want to point out to the judge that SCO dropped all its trade secrets claims, making this a much simpler case, and they are asking to bifurcate the patent claims anyway, and they have a separate attorney handling that, so what is their problem with what is left? That the patent claims have them scared silly? That they can't prove what they have trumpeted to the world for a year about infringing code? That isn't a problem the judge can solve for them, and they really should not be given more time to harrass and annoy the world, creating the false impression in the marketplace that the IBM case has legs. It may be profitable for them to delay, but it is costing others a great deal.

SCO is obviously not looking forward to the IBM case going to trial. However, they are asking for only a few months' delay, so they may be granted their wish. Don't become apoplectic if that happens. I'm assuming you don't want SCO to have any excuse for an appeal. IBM has said they will answer this, and I surely look forward to reading their response. Likely they will oppose. However, now that we know Microsoft is in this picture, there may be other discovery matters IBM itself may wish to pursue and no doubt it will use any extra time wisely.

They filed this on April 5, by the way, the day before the Red Hat decision on their Motion to Dismiss. For sure, we know what the first letter from Red Hat to Judge Robinson will be about.

******************************************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE
[address, phone, fax]

Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (admitted pro hac vice)
David K. Markarian (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for Plaintiff

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH, CENTRAL DIVISION

______________________________________

The SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff,

v.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant.

_____________________________________

PLAINTIFF SCO'S MEMORANDUM
IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION TO
AMEND THE SCHEDULING ORDER

Case No. 2:03CV0294DAK

Judge Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

____________________________________

Pursuant to DUCiv 7-1(b), Plaintiff The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO"), hereby submits this Memorandum in Support of its Motion to Amend the Scheduling Order.

Introduction

SCO has moved to amend the Scheduling Order to extend certain deadlines in this case. Good cause exists to grant SCO's motion because: (1) after the Scheduling Order was entered, IBM filed 10 counterclaims, including 4 claims for patent infringement [1]; (2) discovery in this case was effectively stayed for four months; and (3) IBM's untimely reponses to discovery have hindered orderly prosecution of the case.

In addition to its Motion to Amend the Scheduling Order, SCO has previously filed a Motion for Separate Trials to bifurcate the discovery and trial of IBM's unrelated patent counterclaims from the other pending claims and counterclaims. For the reasons detailed herein, the Scheduling Order should be amended to provide sufficient time for discovery on the non-patent claims. This proposed amendment to deadlines on the non-patent claims, however, does not obviate the necessity to separate pre-trial and trial of the unrelated patent counterclaims.

Procedural Background

This action commenced when SCO filed its complaint against IBM on March 3, 2003. After requesting an extensionn of the time to respond to the complaint, IBM filed its Answer on April 30, 2003. One month later, on May 27, 2003, IBM filed an Amended Answer to SCO's complaint.

Soon thereafter, the parties jointly submitted to the Court their Attorneys' Planning Report and Proposed Scheduling Order. On the basis of that Planning Report and Proposed Scheduling Order, on June 20, 2003, Magistrate Judge Nuffer entered the Scheduling Order currently governing this case.

On August 6, 2003, approximately six weeks after the Court established a schedule for the case, IBM responded to SCO's amended complaint (which had been filed prior to the entry of the Scheduling Order in June 2003) by answering but now also asserting 10 counterclaims, including four patent infringement counterclaims. IBM then amended its counterclaims (which then totaled 13) on September 25, 2003, and SCO answered on October 24, 2003. Recently, on March 26, 2004, IBM received permission to again amend its counterclaims, which now total 14. As of the date of filing this Motion to Amend the Scheduling Order, SCO has not responded to IBM's Second Amended Counterclaims, so the case is currently not at issue. These new counterclaims include IBM's request for a declaratory judgment ruling that "IBM does not infringe, induce the infringement of or contribute to the infringement of any SCO copyright through it Linux activities, including its use, reproducion and improvement of Linux, and that some of all of SCO's purported copyrights in Unix are invalid and unenforceable." These new claims further expand the scope of the case greatly beyond its posture when the original Scheduling Report and Scheduling Order were entered.

As explained below, "good cause" exists to amend the Scheduling Order in this case. Counsel for SCO has conferred with IBM regarding the need for amendment of the Scheduling Order, but IBM asserts that the approximately four months that remain before the deadline for fact discovery are sufficient to complete discovery on all claims in this case.

Argument

"Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 16(b) gives district courts wide latitude in entering scheduling orders"Burks v. Oklahoma Publishing Co., 81 F.3d 975, 978 (10th Cir. 1996). Once entered, district courts may modify scheduling orders upon a showing of "good cause," Fed. R. Civ.P. 16(b), and their decisions are reviewed for abuse of discretion. Id. There is clearly "good cause" to modify the existing Scheduling Order in this case.

First, after the parties negotiated, and the Court entered the existing scheduling order, IBM filed ten counterclaims, including several claims of patent infringement. The impending assertion of counterclaims by IBM was not known to either SCO or the Court at the time the current schedule was adopted. As a result, the schedule put in place did not account for their injection into the case. This problem is compounded by the fact that several of IBM's counterclaims are for alleged patent infringement - allegations that relate to facts (and law) entirely distinct from the other issues implicated by SCO's complaint and the balance of IBM's non-patent counterclaims. The current schedule simply does afford adequate opportunity for SCO to prosecute its own claims and defend against the counterclaims asserted by IBM.

Second, discovery in this case was effectively stayed for over four months. In response to motions to compel filed by SCO and IBM, Magistrate Judge Wells entered an order on December 12, 2003, which stayed all discovery other than certain discovery actions of SCO covered by the order. See December 12, 2003 at 3. The Court "lift[ed] th[at] discovery stay it previously imposed" on March 3, 2004, and provided that both parties had another 45 days to comply with discovery that otherwise would have been due earlier. See March 3, 2004 Order at 3. The cessation of discovery during that period, combined with the 45 days allowed for the parties to provide required discovery, has had the effect of shortening the discovery period in the case, thereby making it impossible for SCO to prosecute its own claims and defend against IBM's counterclaims within the limited time remaining under the existing schedule.

Even assuming that IBM provides all documents responsive to SCO's supplemental requests for production and fully answers SCO's supplemental interrogatories by that date, only three and one-half months would remain to complete non-expert discovery -- including review and analysis of IBM's documents and discovery responses, and conducting dozens of depositions per side. Such a schedule would result in prejudicially and unnecessarily hurried discovery even if all information is disclosed timely and without objection by IBM - an expectation that is not warranted in light of IBM's prior conduct in this case. [2]

Third, IBM's conduct during discovery has frustrated SCO's ability to complete discovery in the time allotted under the Scheduling Order. For example, one of the most critical discovery items in this case has been the production of IBM's AIX and Dynix/ptx source code. After first claiming artificial limitations on such production (such as IBM claiming it would only produce the "base operating system") IBM asserted that it would provide the requested code, but it needed to get approval from third parties that also had their source code in IBM's products. IBM then waited months before sending out notices to the third parties. Eventually, in October 2003, IBM finally sent out notices to third parties and represented to SCO's counsel that the requested code would be provided by Thanksgiving 2003. No code was produced. Then, on the eve of the hearing on the competing motions to compel, IBM produced two CDs containing Dynix/ptx code. IBM still did not produce a single line of AIX code at that time. As noted above, at that hearing, the Court stayed discovery until March 3, 2004. The day after the stay was lifted, IBM sent AIX source code to SCO for the first time. In other words, one year after the suit was filed, SCO finally obtained this critical information from IBM. The requested source code of AIX and Dynix provides information that goes to the core of this case. The wholesale failure of IBM to produce a single line of AIX code until one year after the suit was filed has hampered SCO's ability to conduct necessary code comparisons and delayed the orderly prosecution of this action.

IBM's incomplete answers to interrogatories have also hindered SCO's ability to prosecute this action and defend against IBM's counterclaims. For example, in Interrogatory Number 2, SCO asked IBM for the identity of all persons with knowledge concerning any of the issues in this litigation. IBM, however, identified only employees and former employees. When SCO moved to compel a more responsive answer on this interrogatory, IBM responded that it would provide a complete answer and would not limit its response to current and former IBM employees. To date, IBM has yet to provide this complete answer - even though SCO provided a complete response to IBM with this information on October 10, 2003.

These examples are illustrative of persistent problems with IBM's discovery responses in this case. Given those responses, and given the significantly changed nature of the case after the Scheduling Report and Scheduling Order were entered, as well as the stay of discovery from December 2003 until March 3, 2004, it is evident there is "good cause" to amend the Scheduling Order.

As the Advisory Committee notes to Rule 16(b) made clear, Rule 16(b) adopts the relatively liberal "good cause" standard in recognition that scheduling orders are required to be enterd early in litigation, and that a stricter standard would encourage counsel to request the longest time possible for discovery out of fear an extension would not be granted. See Wright, Miller & Kane, Federal Practice and Procedure: Civil 2d Section 1522.1 at 230-231; see also Adv. Comm. Notes to Rule 16(b). The need for scheduling order modifications is particularly warranted in large, complex cases (like this one) where "[d]evelopments in the litigation may call for subsequent modification of a scheduling order entered early in the litigation." Manual for Complex Litigation, Fourth Section 11.212. Although SCO has diligently pursued discovery since the inception of this case, it is now apparent that discovery cannot be completed in the time remaining under the existing schedule.

Conclusion

For the foregoing reasons, SCO respectfully moves for amendment of the existing Scheduling Order. Specifically, SCO requests that the Scheduling Order be amended as follows:

  • 1. The fact discovery deadline should be changed to May 18, 2005.
  • 2. The expert discovery deadline should be changed to July 15, 2005. Moreover, as noted above, at the time that the original Scheduling Order was entered, the only claims that existed in this case were those of SCO. The expert disclosure and expert deposition schedule needs to be revised to reflect that the party with the burden of proof on a claim or defense that is relying upon an expert must be the first to disclose their expert and make that expert available for deposition. The initial report should be due on May 25, 2005. The opposing experts' reports therefore would be due on June 8, 2005, with counter-reports due on June 22, 2005.
  • 3. The deadline for filing dispositive motions should be changed to July 27, 2005.
  • 4. The deadline for disclosure of 26(a)(3) materials should be changed to August 3, 2005.
  • 5. The deadline for the special attorney conference and for the settlement conference should be changed to August 15, 2005.
  • 6. The final pre-trial conference should be changed to approximately August 30, 2005.
  • 7. The trial period should be changed to approximately September 15, 2005.

    DATED this 5th day of April, 2004.

    Respectfully submitted,

    BY: ____signature__________
    HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
    Brent O. Hatch
    Mark F. James

    BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, L.L.P.
    Stephen N. Zack
    Mark J. Heise
    David K. Markarian


    [1] IBM recently dropped one of its four patent claims.
    [2] IBM has already indicated its rolling discovery production will continue past the court imposed deadline.


    CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

    Plaintiff, The SCO Group, Inc. hereby certifies that a true and correct copy of PLAINTIFF'S MEMORANDUM In SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION TO AMEND THE SCHEDULING ORDER was served on Defendant International Business Machines Corporation on this 5th day of April, 2004, by U.S. Mail, first class, postage prepaid, on their counsel of record as indicated below:

    Alan L. Sullivan, Esq.
    Todd M. Shaughnessy, Esq.
    Snell & Wilmer L.L.P.
    [address]

    Evan R. Chesler, Esq.
    David R. Marriott, Esq.
    Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
    [address]

    Donald J. Rosenberg, Esq.
    [address]

    _______________[signature]_______________


  


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Corrections Here Please
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:04 AM EDT
Please record my mistakes for posterity here, so I can find them easily. Thank
you.

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Steve Martin on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:33 AM EDT

On August 6, 2003, approximately six weeks after the Court established a schedule for the case, IBM responded to SCO's amended complaint (which had been filed prior to the entry of the Scheduling Order in June 2003)
Lie! Caldera's Amended Complaint was filed on July 22nd. Their Motion to Amend was filed June 16th, but the actual amended complaint was filed after the Scheduling Order was in place.

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports Night"

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SCO's mistreatment by the world
Authored by: cricketjeff on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:34 AM EDT
SCO have failed to mention several very pertinent factors that would justify
delay:-
The invasion of Iraq
9-11
El-Ninio
Whether or not a 10th planet has been discovered
Easter is nearly here
One of the directors has a slight cough
and it is Thursday
All of these should clearly be taken into account since IBM was responsible for
them.
There is no need to bring this case to court at all if the judge would prefer
otherwise, after all SCO is certain to win but 50 billion dollars is such a
trivial sum that there is no need to get it into their accounts in the next
thirty or forty years.

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A brief word on language
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:40 AM EDT
May I please request that language be kept kid-safe? When annoying things
happen, it's easy to let our guard down a bit, but I very much want to avoid
bad language on Groklaw. Thank you for cooperating.

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Here's SCO's solution
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:43 AM EDT

If SCO is really burdened by the discovery process and by answering IBM's complaints and cannot get all of the work done in the remaining scheduled time, there is a solution. There is a way they could keep the deadline.

Stipulate!

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OT: Java alternative
Authored by: capitalist_pig on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:43 AM EDT
(Note: I am in no way affiliated or a stockholder with this company. This is a
genuine grassroots plug! :)

This is OT, but given that Sun seems to be mixed up in all this and may have
also just signed over their soul to Redmond...

Some of you might be interested to know that there is a good, high quality,
professional, polished, and mature Java alternative out there. It's not the
same thing as Java-- no virtual machine or new language-- but it accomplishes
many of the same core objectives:

- It simplifies development
- It permits easy cross-platform deployment on Linux, BSD, Windows, Mac,
Commercial Unix, etc.
- It has a mature and fairly clean API

It's called Qt, and is made by a great little company called Troll Tech.
http://www.troll.no/

If you haven't looked at Qt lately, I urge you to do so. The only big thing
that it lacks that Java has is garbage collection and interfaces, and those are
language features and not API features. If C++ is good enough (or even
preferred) for you but you want to be cross-platform, take a look at Qt.

Qt also is very open-source friendly. It is free for noncommercial and open
source use and is open-source itself. It does cost money for use in building
commercial apps, but I have no problem paying for classy software if I'm going
to be using it to make money anyway. (You don't have to pay them if you use
free Qt-based apps such as KDE in a commercial setting however... this is a big
misconception.)

Qt-based apps compile with little porting (unless you use lots of
platform-specific stuff) on Win32, Linux, *BSD, MacOSX, and even embedded
platforms.

Of course, C++ compiles to native code and so it's faster than Java. Qt is also
much more than just a widget set. It started out as a widget set, but now seems
to be aiming to be a complete cross-platform C++ compatibility layer for GUI
widgets, threading, I/O, and other neat stuff. That makes it a direct Java
competitor IMHO.

Check it out! I prefer to support people who don't try to herd us with barratry
and FUD. Oh, and if you choose Qt or any other technology over Java send Sun a
letter and let them know the reasons why.

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Quick! Prepare another request to delay!
Authored by: dkpatrick on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:51 AM EDT
It sure seems like the SCO lawyers' first response to any court order is to
start work on a request to delay. It's like dealing with a kid who's told to
clean his room but spends half an hour whining and moaning about why he
SHOULDN'T do that. "If you had cleaned your room instead of complaining,
you'd be done by now."

If SCO spent less time complaining and more time complying, they'd be done by
now.

---
"Keep your friends close but your enemies closer!" -- Sun Tzu

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: walth on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:53 AM EDT
Isn't this just a bit disingenious?

TSG didn't know when they filed their suit against IBM that IBM would file
counterclaims? Isn't that S.O.P. in major lawsuits (3 billion dollars qualifies
as major in my book...) to defend with counterclaims and countersuits?

When IBM filed counterclaims, why did TSG wait 9 MONTHS to request a change in
the schedule they had agreed to? Either they thought they could meet the
deadlines and what specifically has changed, or they thought they couldn't meet
the deadlines and should have filed earlier - but then I am not a judge.

The second section of TSGs argument says that, because of the stay of discovery
ordered by the judge, TSG fell behind schedule. What they don't state plainly is
that the stay was occasioned by TSG not producing the evidence they were
required to produce - and that TSG STILL has not produced the required evidence
of code copying. In my opinion, letting them benefit from not following the
rules or doing what the judge ordered is a bad idea. A better idea is to slap
them with sanctions of some kind!

The third section of TSGs argument is particularly interesting, in that TSG is
claiming that IBM not producing requested material THAT THE JUDGE THEN SAID THEY
DIDN'T HAVE TO PRODUCE constitutes misconduct on IBMs part.

In addition, TSG states in that section that they, as of March 4th, STILL DID
NOT HAVE EVIDENCE OF SPECIFIC CODE COPYING! "The wholesale failure of IBM
to produce a single line of AIX code until one year after the suit was filed has
hampered SCO's ability to conduct necessary code comparisons".

I understand the judge not wanting to provide occasion for appeal, but when is
enough to much? When is TSG going to get slapped down HARD?! Soon, I hope.

I would never make a good judge, I would not have the patience for the job.

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OT: CPL
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:54 AM EDT
Since microsoft just realesed some code on sourceforge.net under the cpl
(http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/oss/CPLv1.0.htm) could someone plaese
explan how this license works out? And how it plays with gpl

CPl Faq here (http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-cplfaq.html)

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  • OT: CPL - Authored by: PJ on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:11 AM EDT
  • OT: CPL - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:11 AM EDT
  • OT: CPL - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:16 AM EDT
    • OT: CPL - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:17 AM EDT
  • OT: CPL - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:17 AM EDT
    • OT: CPL - Authored by: Tyro on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 06:07 PM EDT
  • OT: CPL - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:44 AM EDT
SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:58 AM EDT
Second, discovery in this case was effectively stayed for over four months. In
response to motions to compel filed by SCO and IBM, Magistrate Judge Wells
entered an order on December 12, 2003, which stayed all discovery other than
certain discovery actions of SCO covered by the order.

Now you can call me crazy but do they blam Judge Wells for the ddelay here or
what ...

Why can't the just be straight : "your honor, it was you who delayed the
discovery, this is why we believe we ought to get more time."

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Do they think they're are school?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:58 AM EDT
This reads like a little school kid complaining to the headmaster/principal
saying that the teacher keeps giving them more work to do, when in fact they
haven't been doing any of their work in the first place. Are they wanting to go
in to the remedial class or what?

While all this delay tactics is happening, their stock price gets manipulated -
is this just another way to allow this to happen? I think so.

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:07 AM EDT
"We showed over a million lines of code and where it has existed." -
Darth McBride, 28/11/2003
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3114341

"But there are over one million lines of code that we have identified that
are derivative works by IBM and Sequent that have been contributed into Linux
that we have identified and there's been no effort by Linux leaders to start
acting and rectify that situation." - Chris Sontag, 18/11/2003
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=46153

"We sent out our letter three to four months ago and in that period, one
out of five have changed. We think that's significant. We only mailed letters
out to 1,500 companies. I would argue that is one out of five out there...it
could be 100 percent of all[the companies] we sent it to, we don't think that's
actually the case. Anecdotally, I can tell you... it has an impact." -
Darth McBride, 18/11/2003
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=46153

The last one was OT, but I liked it.

Again, I think the question rises; Is this what a million in used greenbacks and
400,000 shares of stock gets you? A tactic that seems to rely on the Judge
getting bored? Did Boies get his bar entrance from Ally McBeal?

Draconis (not a joiner)

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Enough is enough?
Authored by: Tantris on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:07 AM EDT
I agree with someone that posted above. I understand the idea of avoiding an
appeal, but when will the judge just put to rest the case. At least dismiss
some of the charges that have been leveled against IBM. sco has been abusing
the system until now. They have no evidence, and the suit continues.

I have a friend that has told me their business will not look at Linux until
after the lawsuit is over. They just spent half a million dollars on microsoft
servers. In that particular instance, this case specifically hurt Linux and
helped microsoft. At some point, there needs to be an end to it. There have
been statements about how Linux is not being hurt, because it is still being
adopted. I understand that many people don't care, but some people do.

If the judge does dismiss the case against IBM, I imagine sco will die almost
immediately. If microsoft is connected, the connection will be lost. On the
other hand, I don't believe that a connection will be found during this law
suit. I don't see a way for sco to appeal, considering they have been unable to
produce any evidence. The entire case rests on their goofy derivative theory.
If they appealed, would they appeal because the judge didn't give them ample
time to produce their evidence? They failed 3 times. If the charges against
IBM are dismissed and the charges against sco are allowed to stand, they will
have ample time to provide a defense against those charges. I mean, I imagine
IBM would be very understand about the need for 3 more discovery periods or
delays, since it is just delaying the time till sco dies. As of right now,
delays are causing damage to the acceptance of Linux.

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SCO has had 6 weeks with AIX
Authored by: Ruidh on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:07 AM EDT
They had better be ready on April 19.

A quote from their memo in support of the rescheduling motion.

"Then, on the eve of the hearing on the competing motions to compel, IBM
produced two CDs containing Dynix/ptx code. IBM still did not produce a single
line of AIX code at that time. As noted above, at that hearing, the Court stayed
discovery until March 3, 2004. The day after the stay was lifted, IBM sent AIX
source code to SCO for the first time."

So, Wells allowed 6 weeks for IBM to produce the AIX source code and for SCO to
locate the SysV derivative lines. That timeframe was based on the statements of
the attorneys. IBM said that they would need 2 weeks to produce the versions of
AIX that they had agreed to produce and SCO said they needed 4 weeks to analyze
it. IBM wasn't sitting on their hands while Wells was considering the order in
the discovery motion. They produced the AIX CDs for SCO and delivered them.

That gave SCO 6 weeks instead of the promised 4 weeks in order to pour through
the code. If they come up empty handed on April 19, look for Magistrate Wells to
take the SCO lawyers out behind the woodshed for a little "continuing
education".

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NO one EXPECTS the Spanish Inquisition?
Authored by: Tsu Dho Nimh on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:08 AM EDT
Here are the excuses this time:
"(1) after the Scheduling Order was entered, IBM filed 10
counterclaims, including 4 claims for patent infringement"

And they did NOT expect counterclaims? Did not budget for the time and expense
of defending against them?

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If I were the judge ...
Authored by: JeR on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:09 AM EDT
I would deny this Motion immediately, simply for one reason: even if there were
stays in the discovery ordered by the judge, there was no reason for TSG not to
continue preparing their evidence (assuming they ever did have a go at it). That
discovery was stayed for some length of time doesn't mean they and their lawyers
can simply sit back and play Solitaire all day. And it's not as af there was
ever a possibility TSG wouldn't need to submit evidence (since /they/ brought
the case to court) so a stay wouldn't mean they'd have to stop looking for
evidence.

My only worry is: If this motion is denied, what will happen if the entire case
is thrown out because since TSG could not provide evidence within a period of a
year. Ah, IBM's counterclaims will kick in, of course, won't they?

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:13 AM EDT
Man this is frustrating! Wasn't it SCOX that said it only needed 45 more days to
finish giving IBM what it has been told repeatedly to give them, namely the
specific lines of infringing code?

This judge seems sharp, and IBM beautifully and elegantly asked for declaratory
judgement. I can't wait to hear what comes next!

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This CANNOT pass!
Authored by: moogy on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:13 AM EDT
This motion can NOT pass. It would be a failure of the judicial
system if it does!

SCOG has delayed discovery repeatedly. They failed to fulfill
a direct court order. Their argument for that was that they
needed IBM's AIX code before they could fulfill their own
discovery. The court did not buy that argument and it was
obvious in the court's last schedule for discovery which
required both sides to fulfill discovery on or by the same
date, thus demanding that SCOG have at least *some*
evidence before IBM must provide any discovery.

They cannot file a suit claiming misconduct without having
evidence first!

The judge will be remiss in their duties if they now allow
SCOG to receive IBM's discovery while not fulfilling their
own which now was ordered twice by the court. SCOG has had
every chance in the world to present their evidence that
they are supposed to have *before* filing any such case.
...and of course Darl had spouted off that they had so
much evidence that they'd be fine going to trial even
without any discovery from IBM.

I am going to be in uncontrollable anger if they succeed
with this further delay!

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then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi

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Judge's Impression?
Authored by: kuwan on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:14 AM EDT

PJ, I'm wondering what you think the Judge's impression will be of this motion. Given this outrageous statement in the motion:

Although SCO has diligently pursued discovery since the inception of this case, it is now apparent that discovery cannot be completed in the time remaining under the existing schedule.

What do you think the Judge will think of that? And if the Judge is really offended by that statement, would any action be taken? (Contempt, etc.)

Thanks!

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Suicidal Motion
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:24 AM EDT
It's one thing for SCO to jerk around and blame IBM for stuff, but another thing
for blaming the judge. By SCO disrespecting the court, it would be hard for any
judge to see SCO making a "good faith" effort when SCO wont accept the
authority of the court when the court makes a ruling SCO doesn't like. Not to
mention this document sounds like SCO has no case and is on a fishing
expedition.

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  • Suicidal Motion - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, April 09 2004 @ 08:33 PM EDT
SCOG should get a delay
Authored by: Thomas Frayne on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:25 AM EDT
I think that IBM's response should agree to a scheduling delay, just not the
amount of delay that SCOG wants. IBM should subtract the delays caused by SCO's
actions (e.g., failure to state claims, multiple failures to comply with court
orders, failure to ask for a scheduling change when IBM filed its
counterclaims), add the delays caused by IBM actions that IBM had control over
(e.g., failure to notify third parties in a timely manner), and suggest a new
schedule based on the result.

Perhaps this would lead to a one-month delay in the trial date.

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The fishing expedition caught AIX on 3/3
Authored by: Thomas Frayne on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:40 AM EDT
SCOG had no right to any discovery from IBM until SCOG had stated its claims
precisely (which it still has not done). Nevertheless, IBM sent AIX on 3/3/04,
and SCOG had the nerve to complain that this constitutes undue delay by IBM.

IBM might want to move that all evidence supported only by the AIX received
after 3/3/04 be disallowed until SCOG makes a prima faciae case based on the
evidence that it had in March, 2003.

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: gbl on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:49 AM EDT
I'm so....vexed!! (Can I say vexed?)

<sarcasim>
Surely a company as SCOv2, with such a strong case, would be hammering on the
court doors demanding immediate justice so they could get their hands on the $50
billion they are owed.
</sarcasim>

I would bet real money that SCOv2 haven't done a single minutes investigation of
the sources provided by IBM. Why would they bother? IBM already did the work
and if any problematic code existed we would not be in this position at all -
IBM would have had to show the evidence in court eventually and as there would
be no advantage in delay, would have handed over the evidence and moved to
immediately ending the case with the usual money and patents deal.

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OT - Apple vs Apple (Beatles)
Authored by: Peter Smith on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:52 AM EDT
The BBC reports

"..In considering this latest development, High Court judge Mr Justice Mann
said the new clash followed shortcomings in Apple Corps and Apple Computer's
1991 agreement.

He said: "If their intention... was to create obscurity and difficulty for
lawyers to debate in future years, they have succeeded handsomely."

This judge's sense of humour was rather entertaining. On a dull day we could go
international to try and tease out the real issues.

On a side note it is sad to see two such icons at loggerheads.

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I hope it's granted
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 11:12 AM EDT
SCO is hoping to portray itself as a martyr. But instead,
they've been coddled by the judge and by IBM, and they've
ended up looking like a spoiled child. Let's keep feeding
that image.

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 11:27 AM EDT
Maybe the DNA test won't be ready on time so SCO needs the dely to find out if
AIX is really SystemV. You know how those lab guys are.....always doing
something not quite right.

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IBM will respond in court
Authored by: laitcg on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 11:28 AM EDT
"We disagree with that and we'll respond to SCO's motion in court," said IBM spokesman Mike Darcy.
http://tinyurl.com/2rl8n
( http://www.com puterweekly.com/articles/article.asp?...)

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Judge will rule -- not to delay (yet)
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 12:19 PM EDT
I am guessing that the Judge will rule that he will delay the ruling until AFTER
the discovery is complete, and AFTER he has ruled on IBM's motion (I forget
exactly what it is called -- maybe motion to dismiss)... then based on what may
be "trialable" -- he will rule that there is sufficient time left :)

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 12:35 PM EDT
I can't simply understand WHY IBM has to supply ANY AIX/DYNIX or whatever
proprietary code.
SCO alleges that their code (millions of lines) has been put into Linux. They
should show those codes (they can do this in public, as the whole kernel is
public), and they must also present their OWN code (this might be shown only to
people signing NDA's and such). But why in the hell the judge granted that IBM
has to supply anything? If anything, IBM has to supply the kernel snippets,
emails etc. they were contributing. This whole procedure is so much against my
logic, the delays allowed by the judges are good only for SCO. Actually, the
judges can't do anything better in favour of SCO and its puppeteer.


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Respectively submitted?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 12:58 PM EDT
Don't make me laugh when I'm drinking coffee.

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Could Be A No-Win For SCO
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 01:16 PM EDT
If SCO gets discovery delayed for a year in the IBM case, wouldn't that mean
that there would be a high likelyhood of the Red Hat case going active in its
place. I think SCO can significantly delay one case, but not two on the same
subject matter.

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OT - weird SCO case idea
Authored by: codswallop on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 01:40 PM EDT
I just reread Kevin's December performance, and it struck me what SCO may argue.
I don't remeber having seen this stated explicitly, but Kevin alluded to it in
passing.

The IBM Unix contract was for inteernal use only. Using it as a model from which
to develop a commercial product is an external use. This is true regardless of
derivative work status.

There are obvious problems with this.

Is this a valid interpretation of the contract?

Did IBM's later license cure this?

Have SCO waited to long after knowing of this to act?
Caldera knew before the Santa Cruz deal. You could argue that the delay is
cumulative, since any of the owners could have objected. This is at least 10
years.

Does SCO have standing to sue, or must it be Novell?

Did/can Novell override SCO?

The confidentiality/derivative work claim is so hopeless, I just have a feeling
they're going to try something else.

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OT: Conspiracy Theory
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 02:11 PM EDT
Is all this a trick from a company in Redmond to delay the adoption of Linux as
much as possible until the next version of Windows comes out in 2 years?

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Oh where, Oh where ...
Authored by: darkonc on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 03:47 PM EDT
"Where, oh, where have my million lines gone?
Oh, where, oh, where can they be?"

With discovery short, and my nose so long
Oh, where, oh, where can they be?

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 04:03 PM EDT
PJ I have a problem. Can you explain to me why the law is relevent to tech or
for that matter the advancement of society.


It always just seems to play catch up.

Actually , I realise that is an overstatement, BUT, will the law play any part
in the worldwide adoption of open source?
American law has to answer a question about its motives,does it play to money
and subturfuge or seek to uphold justice?

Give me an answer. I haven't got one. Law takes an age, sometimes gives a
sensible answer, is always late, costs a fortune and is nomore informed in
natural justice than I can find at my local bar.

Brian S.

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Delay until they can cash in more options?
Authored by: tz on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 04:20 PM EDT
Where is SCO's revenue coming from? These lawyers are expensive, and with SCO
now turning bully, I doubt they are selling more licenses for the products they
do own.

My thought is:

1. They know they will lose (and maybe lose big).

2. They have options to cash in now while the stock isn't yet relocated to the
pink sheets. Like Enron, as long as no one looks too deeply, although the
trajectory is obvious, and their business model opaque, no one will know

3. You can't squeeze a bankrupt company.

IBM may eventually buy them out. Since the exchanges decimalized, it will be
for $0.01/share or less instead of 1/64. That is if they want the carcass.
Otherwise they and Novell can extract the UNIX license and any other stray IP
gems and donate them to the FSF.

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: bsm2003 on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 04:27 PM EDT
Just For laugh's Linky

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Win Friends and Influence People
Authored by: webster on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 04:54 PM EDT
If they really want more time, why would they say these things in order to get
it?

Did they ask IBM to consent or stipulate in this Motion? IBM might want more
time themselves. I presume they did ask and IBM declined. IBM indicates they
will oppose thru their spokesman. They then pound the Court with their AIX
first theory, a theory the Judge has rejected every time. They then go on to
blame IBM for the delay despite knowing the Court issued a Stay in IBM
compliance as it rejected the AIX first theory. Then IBM gave AIX code up early
anyway! They also made some date error in their Memo. If IBM really wants to
fight off the continuance, they certainly have some rebuttal material.

Delays are granted for many reasons. The Court may have its own scheduling
problems. SCO needs the delay because it is desperate for code. IBM turned
over AIX code with the authors, copyright, date and inspiration of each file
and line. They probably named their experts and challenged SCO to provide
better authority or risk submitting a frivolous claim. This is similar to what
happened with Linux Code. SCO doesn't really have any comparable experts, even
on their own Unix code, or their experts aren't even agreeing with them. They
can't find any AIX code either. This is why we are now hearing about "Riff
Theory." Their code plays like our code. It has the same look and feel.
They use our organization and structure. I think we'll all agree that the code
absolutely smells the same.

This Memo hurts their credibility further. It was totally unnecessary. In
doing something so simple as asking for more time, they shot themselves in the
foot. In shooting themselves in the foot, they shot off a toe. I wonder which
one.

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OT: Enderle SCOX's winning theory!
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 04:54 PM EDT
I had a lot of fun reading this Enderle Yahoo! article.

This guy is a REAL clown!

He wrote about his previous experiences when "it's multiple carees, he went to be a JUDGE".

Oh my goodness!! This man is completely out of mind!

First, he believe in the theory of impact in jury court room in favor of the SCOundrels "the tiny company whom IP is stolen by a BIG company". This man thinks there is no "facts" in this case. Furthemore, with a lot of "charisma" an smart, experienced and symphatetic David Boies can impact positively in favor of small company.

Second, he also thinks in "learning the dinamics of the jury" that all senior people is miseducated, and can be "influenced" for FUD in a jury court room, trying to imply IBM "big like Enron and WorldCom" and comparing them with "mormon directed company". Just imagine Darl and Sontag like a good "mormons". This is the maximum representacion of a convicted LIER.

I can not believe a jury in a US court room be like Enderle wrote. I am not a US citizen, but I believe a lot of your legal system work on the education, ethics and good faith of the people.

I laugh a lot reading this "unbilievable" Enderle's article. By the other side I feel very sad for a guy who thinks in that infamous way for your senior citizens, and jury trials in court rooms.

There must be a way in order to electronical newspaper editors do not receive this class of press article for a known lier and devil person.

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Grant the delay, but...
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 05:11 PM EDT
If you ask me, SCO should get all the time it wants.
<b>But</b>, the judge should also order that SCO stop
selling licenses between now and the end of this case,
or at least the end of discovery. During that period, SCO
should also be prevented from sueing or threatening to
sue Unix and Linux users of any ilk for IP infringment,
etc. And of course, IBM should not have to produce
further evidence until SCO does.

Basically, remove any incentive for SCO to continue to
delay.

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Pot & Kettle
Authored by: Sri Lumpa on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 06:19 PM EDT
What a great laugh!

"Hi, SCO Pot, this is my friend IBM Kettle"

SCO Pot: "Whoa, you sure are black"


More seriously, from SCO's document it seems that IBM will dispute the motion.

What I would like to see is IBM arguing that any need for rescheduling if it
exist does not arise from IBM's behavior but from SCO's lack of diligence in
providing discovery (as examplified by the necessity for two compelling orders
that were granted in favor of IBM and SCO's inability to obey the subsequent
ruling) and that SCO should not be rewarded for its delaying behaviour by
getting even more delay.

I'm really torn between wanting to see this case moving forward and having SCO
being given all the latitude they can to present the most compelling case they
can so that they can not win an appeal against a ruling finding against them.
Well, I guess it means I will be happy whatever the judge rules on that motion.

In the meantime I am *really* looking forward to reading IBM's response to that
motion. It should provide some good reading and probably will be very funny (by
systematically going over the most blatant delays caused by SCO).

Too bad most of the funny parts of the SCO lawsuits are in-jokes in that they
need way too much background for people not following it to get the humor.


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SCO should be stripped of Unix rights.
Authored by: miyojimm on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 06:29 PM EDT
SCO alleges that it has purchased the rights to Unix from Novell. Has it
presented proof of that assertion? Since it lied so much, the judge ought to
start from scratch and be convinced ot his fact first. Otherwise, dismiss the
case right away.
<p>
Even if its rights to Unix are legitimate, since it cannot present proof of
wrongdoing by IBM, the judge should strip SCO of this right, so that it will
never will be able to misuse it again.

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 06:45 PM EDT
One thing springs to mind, given the school yard antics being
displayed at the moment.
Are TSG deliberatly provoking the judge into providing them
grounds for appeal
What better way to extend the delay further than endless
apeals?

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: mrkidd on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 06:56 PM EDT
Some one in Wall Street recognizes that SCO is pretty much only in the business of litigation: http://management.itmanagersjournal.com/management/04/04/08/1955217.shtml < br>
MrKidd

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Scheduling Order
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT
It does not seem likely the Judge will do anything with the order, other then,
to order SCO to see one thing through before making changes again...


I remember this order, it has one date to produce on and no other. SCO shows
they are not serious about this case, they now wish to try and manipulate the
case with intentional time delays, with the reason being, not enough time. SCO
did this before, the court has that down, soon SCO will be responsible for
having this case ended by their own actions of the lack of...

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 08:17 PM EDT
"IBM's incomplete answers to interrogatories have also
hindered SCO's ability to prosecute this action and defend
against IBM's counterclaims. For example, in Interrogatory
Number 2, SCO asked IBM for the identity of all persons
with knowledge concerning any of the issues in this
litigation. IBM, however, identified only employees and
former employees."

OK, Who else knows about the SCO case? (Raise your hands)
Employees and former employees sounds pretty good.
Does The SCO Group want server logs for all the internet
site with SCO v IBM news?

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I think it is time. . .
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 11:04 PM EDT
. . .for IBM to:

1. Really oppose this motion.
2. File a motion for sanctions against SCO Group Inc., its officers, board of
directors and attorneys (assuming SCO Group Inc. has not complied with the
court's order).
3. Have a motion for contempt of court waiting in the wings should sanctions be
approved but have no effect.

krp

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SCO Memorandum in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, April 09 2004 @ 01:10 AM EDT
Didn't Darl say back in about June 2003 that he already had 3 teams do a deep
dive into AIX?

Now they are complaining they haven't got AIX?

What's wrong with that picture?

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Must need glasses...
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, April 09 2004 @ 02:22 AM EDT
Now why did I parse that as "SCO & Microsoft" in Support of Motion to Amend Scheduling Order.

Must be just one of those things where the brain corrects invalid input. 8P

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OK, so what do we do?
Authored by: Mike Calder on Friday, April 09 2004 @ 08:28 AM EDT
Clearly, QT isn't a Java alternative.
C# or clones: don't even go there. MediocreSoft patents, submarine or
otherwise.
Perl and Parrot: well, yes. Leave us not get religious here, and simply say it
isn't there yet.

I have around 200K lines of Java code that I've written over the past five
years. Universities from Smolensk to New Jersey use it open source, as well as
over 6,000 commercial users worldwide.

I chose Java because of crossplatform; I continue to use it because it is the
best compromise of ease of use, functionality, efficiency, and any other
attribute you can think of that I've come across in 35 years in the industry and
after learning over 20 programming languages.

I don't claim to understand the Sun licences in all their glory, but I suspect
that if Sun really wanted to, they could lawyer Java out from under me in
minutes. if there is anyone from Sun listening who can disabuse me of this (and
has the authority to say so) please stand up now.

Linux is all very well; I use 100% Linux. But applications should be platform
neutral.

So unless Sun put Java under the GPL or a similar licence I need a Java
alternative. I think the industry needs it as well.

Where do we go from here? Persuade Sun to open source Java would be favourite,
but in default of that we need a backup strategy. What is it?

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Your honor, we never had a case when filing, and need time to make a case.
Authored by: moogy on Friday, April 09 2004 @ 11:31 AM EDT
Isn't that essentially what they are saying?

The complaint about added patent issues is rather phoney since
they have seperate lawyers for that and have also requested
bifurcation.

IBM filed counter claims. Just how does the filing of counter
claims slow the prosecution of their original claims?

Delayed discovery was their own fault so it's not worthy of
consideration for rescheduling. They were told repeatedly
that the AIX code was dependant upon their own discovery
requirements first, but insist that this has delayed timely
prosecution of their case.

What is left? Nothing. They are supposed to have their
evidence and case organized before filing. They are clearly
telling the court they never had a case prepared when they
filed it and are dependant upon discovery to try to make
a case.

IANAL but, this is legit reason to reschedule?
Where is something in this motion that has any credible
reason for rescheduling and further delay?

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REALLY BAD NEWS
Authored by: bobn on Friday, June 11 2004 @ 12:45 AM EDT
Her's the really bad news - the dman Judge went fo it hook line and sinker - and then some. See: http://sco.tuxrocks.com/Docs/IBM/IBM-177.pdf . Final pre-trial conference: October 10, 2005 WHAT WAS THIS JUDGE THINKING?

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