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News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 08:51 PM EDT

Here you go: two reports from the courtroom. First, Frank's. He reports that Brent Hatch argued for SCO. Mark Clements and Ryan Tibbitts were also counsel for that side. John Mullen and Michael Jacobs were counsel for Novell, and Michael Jacobs argued for Novell. It sounds like both sides reiterated arguments we've read in the motion papers.

Now it's up to the judge to decide. First, he has to decide where the case belongs, in federal court or in state court. That's the motion to remand, involving the arguments about copyright law or contract law applying. He heard both motions today, though, saying that if he denies the motion to remand, they don't all have to come back to court for the motion to dismiss. That's a little hint, maybe, as to what he thought might happen. Either that or the judge is methodical and likes to save time by planning for all conceivable contingencies. If he keeps the case in federal court, then he will decide the motion to dismiss. The arguments about special damages apply to that motion.

Frank's notes are not a literal transcript, but are his rough notes. Portions in quotation marks are word for word, according to his notes. We'll try to get a transcript later:

The courtroom was significantly larger than Judge Wells' courtroom, and was well attended by about 30 people, but was not packed like the January SCO v. IBM hearing.

Judge Kimball said he would hear arguments on both motions, starting with SCO's Motion to Remand.

Brent Hatch: We brought this case in state court on state issues. We didn't bring up any federal issues or ask for federal remedies. The Copyright Act, Section 204(a) doesn't give the freedom to interpret the contract, it just says that there has to be a writing. We have alleged the contract is a writing transferring the copyrights.

(He quoted the Harms decision.) We "can't put form over substance." Novell brings up the Jasper Case from the 2nd Circuit. The fact that a case concerns a copyright does not necessarily make it a federal case. This case only presents state law on contract interpretation.

Judge Kimball: How is your case different from Jasper?

Brent Hatch: In Jasper, the Plaintiff brought the copyright claims. It's a question of subject matter jurisdiction. In our case, it's pretty clear that there is a writing. This is only a matter of contract interpretation. Section 204(a) doesn't apply a standard. It just says there has to be a writing. Novell claims ... isn't a writing. We don't want to get to the end and have one of the parties claim subject matter jurisdiction. That ought to happen now.

Michael Jacobs: SCO's arguments understate 204(a). The Copyright Act supplants state law regarding transfer of copyrights. Going to go into more detail about the Copyright Act, Section 201 states that ownership of any rights may be transferred, even certain portions of those rights (right to reproduce the work, etc.). Transferring ownership of a particular right doesn't transfer ownership of all the rights.

Section 202 says if I give you a physical object, that doesn't necessarily transfer any rights to that object. Section 204 says you can transfer ownership rights, but it must be done through a written instrument of conveyance. It must be in writing. Having a contract does not mean conveyance of rights.

SCO alleges conveyance through the APA, but there is no written instrument of conveyance. They haven't mentioned 204(a), but they can't plead around it. The question is whether the 204(a) bridge has been crossed. (cited Arachnid Case). 204(a) sets a federal standard. Pamelov case 794 F. 7933. 204(a) displaces equitable estoppel. The Jasper 204(a) issue was trivial compared to this case. We're well inside Jasper.

Brent Hatch: Novell claims the APA is not an instrument of conveyance. They're asking for you to look at this in a vacuum. APA was a scrivner's error, corrected by Amendment 2. (Quotes from the Novell letter) "Appears to transfer some..." Other cases don't quote Jasper. (Quotes from December 6, 1995 press release that Novell completes the sale of UnixWare.)

Judge Kimball: I'll take the motion under advisement. Because I haven't decided on the Motion to Remand yet, we'll proceed to hear the Motion to Dismiss. If I deny the Motion to Remand, we won't have to come back.

Michael Jacobs: Mentions SCO v. IBM case.

Judge Kimball: "Yes. I am the lucky judge who has the SCO v. IBM case."

Michael Jacobs: Walk the court through the APA. We wouldn't be here if SCO had produced a writing transferring the copyrights. The APA contains recitals of the terms of the business. (Describes the difference between Unix SVRx and UnixWare.) Under the APA, Novell sold "certain assets of the business." The APA listed Included Assets and Excluded Assets. Refers to Schedules 1.1a and 1.1b.

Schedule 1.1a - Included Assets - Intellectual property included just trademarks.

Schedule 1.1b - Excluded Assets - All copyrights and trademarks except Unix and UnixWare.

The question is "what does SCO get out of this deal?" 4.16a says they get a right to administer the legacy SVRx licenses, with 95% of the money going to Novell. 4.16c - Novell doesn't promote their SVRx business, buyer (SCO) doesn't either, without Novell's permission. Section 4.18 - SCO gets Merged product (UnixWare).

What ownership of copyrights does SCO get? According to the Copyright Act, SCO gets copyright rights to whatever they write. The code they wrote in evolving UnixWare.

Amendment 2 adjusts the Excluded Assets slightly. Includes copyrights, but very narrow. Not an instrument of conveyance, not close enough to guess. Refers to 1338 issue - jurisdiction. Points out that Judge Kimball is the expert on Special Damages.

Brent Hatch: Mr. Jacobs reads the contract now without the benefit of a knowledge of the contract. He leaves out large portions of the contract and we haven't been through discovery to see what is said by those who were there. Refers to the TLA (December 6, 1995) - grant-back of rights to Novell. Why need the TLA if the rights weren't transferred? This is a state law claim - they slandered our title.

Judge Kimball: What is your response to Novell's claim that special damages have not been pled? Does it meet that brilliant standard? [PJ: I asked Frank to explain, after spending time trying to find a case called Brilliant and failing to find one. He says they were referring to a decision that Kimball wrote in another case, which Kimball here was referring to as "brilliant", as a joke, and there was some laughter in the courtroom. That tells you some nice things about this judge, I think. Frank explained it like this: "He was referring to a previous decision of his (upheld by an appeals court) that defined 'Special Damages.' He made the comment with a slight twinkle in his eye. I think he knew that he defined it, and that they couldn't argue it. There was some laughter at that." Here is a decision that Judge Kimball wrote, if you'd like to see him in action. In this matter, he was sitting on the appeal with two other judges, but he was asked to write up the decision.]

Hatch: Could we be more specific? - probably. A case could always be pled better. Here, it's pretty obvious. They're interpreting the contract. (Quotes from a decision): "It needs to be in writing, but it doesn't need to be the Magna Carta." It doesn't take a lot of language to say "All Unix and UnixWare." The excluded copyrights refer to Netware.

Michael Jacobs: Section 204(a) requires clarity, and we wouldn't be here if SCO could point to an instrument of conveyance. 204(a) is set up so that buyers negotiate directly with the sellers, and requires clarity.

Judge Kimball: (Takes both motions under advisement.) If he rules for the Motion to Remand, the Motion to Dismiss will be moot, otherwise he'll rule on both. (no time frame given)

A second eyewitness, Mark Belnap, says rather than take notes, he decided to pay attention to the overview, and here are his impressions:

--Judge Kimball's courtroom is beautifully decorated in dark wood, with sculptured ceilings and wall carvings. It wasn't standing-room only, but there were a good number of people present.

--At one point during Brent Hatch's remarks on the motion to remand, he outright admitted that there was a dispute over the ownership of the copyrights. (If I understand correctly, that blows a big hole in the slander aspect of the case)

--Judge Kimball was very animated in asking probing questions (at least at first--this tapered off over time). He also exhibited a bit of dry wit and attempted to make the atmosphere more comfortable. This is the first time I had seen him and he definitely made a good impression on me.

--The second row was filled with folks from IBM's team observing the proceedings.

--Novell's attorney went through the main points of the APA and Amendment 2 and discussed what it was that SCO actually bought and what they didn't. He said (multiple times) that if there was a writing that described transfer of copyright that they wouldn't be there.

--In discussing the second motion, the Judge directly came out and asked SCO (Hatch) about specific damages. He (Hatch) waffled a bit and then mentioned that there were definitely people who had not chosen to license, people who were not investing in the business and other lawsuits that were being delayed because of Novell's actions. I thought the last point was ironic seeing as how SCO is up to their armpits in trying to tie up all the other legal cases and achieve maximum delay.

--One of my old college roommates is an attorney in SLC and he came in part-way through the hearing and listened. I asked him whether Novell made a big mistake in bringing this to the federal court rather than just seeking a dismissal from state court on the (lack of) merits. He said that the state court judges were not nearly as good, and they did the right thing in bringing it here.

If you wish to review, Novell's Memorandum in Support of its Motion to Dismiss is here. They brought up the Arachnid case in that memorandum. Novell argued like this, with regard to the slander of title action:

In order to prevail in a slander of title action, SCO must establish:

(1) there was a publication of a slanderous statement disparaging claimant's title,
(2) the statement was false,
(3) the statement was made with malice, and
(4) the statement caused actual or special damages.

First Sec. Bank of Utah v. Banberry Crossing, 780 P.2d 1253, 1256-67 (Utah 1989).  SCO's Complaint fails on two grounds.

First, SCO has not pled sufficient facts demonstrating falsity.  Indeed, the very documents SCO relies upon fail to meet the requirements of  the  Copyright Act for a valid transfer of copyright ownership.  In the absence of such a transfer, SCO cannot show that it is the owner of the copyrights at issue and cannot show Novell's statements to be false.

Second, SCO has not adequetely pled special damages.  SCO is required to plead with specificity its alleged realized or liquidated pecuniary damages, and instead has pled speculative damages of a general nature.  SCO's alleged damages, as pled, cannot sustain its slander of title action.

The issue of special damages not being adequately pled seems like a biggie. The other case mentioned, Jovina, came up in Novell's footnote 1:

1. The question of whether a purported copyright assignment constitutes a written instrument of conveyance under the Copyright Act requires interpretation of the Copyright Act and is sufficient to render this action within the original jurisdiction of the federal courts. Jasper v. Bovina Music, Inc., 314 F.3d 42, 46-47 (2d Cir. 2002)

SCO used the same case in their Motion to Remand, trying to distinguish it:

Unlike the plaintiff in Jasper, SCO has specifically alleged its slander of title claim under state law and is not seeking a remedy under federal law. Novell's attempt to recharacterize SCO's common law claim as a claim raising substantial issues under the Copyright Act should be rejected. See Jasper, 314 F.3d at 47 (stating that "[t]he difficulty is that almost every case involving contract interpretation...could be recharacterized as a case appropriate for a federal court simply by framing the issue to be whether the disputed contract qualified as a writing...However, the line drawn in T.B. Harms cannot be obliterated by such gymnastics.").

Novell in their Reply Memorandum in Support of their Motion to Dismiss argued like this:

The fundamental problem with SCO's opposition is its failure to reckon with section 204(a)'s requirement of a written instrument "of conveyance." What SCO must do is show that there is some instrument, in writing, in which an actual transfer of ownership occurs. See Arachnid, Inc. v. Merit Indus., Inc., 939 F.2d 1574, 1581 (Fed. Cir. 1991) (agreement containing only a promise to assign distinguished from case in which the contract read "seller 'hereby sells' the patent and buyer 'hereby purchases.'") (distinguishing Sims v. Mack Trucks, Inc., 407 F.Supp. 742 (E.D.Pa. 1976)). SCO has not identified that written instrument. Absent such a written instrument, ownership could not have transferred. Effects Assoc., Inc. v. Cohen, 908 F.2d 555, 557 (9th Cir. 1990)("[S]ection 204 of the Copyright Act invalidates a purported transfer of ownership unless it is in writing.")

Reviewing the motion papers fills in the notes from the day and indicates that if you go to the Legal Docs page and read the pleadings, you have a pretty good idea of what came up. What is missing from the pleadings and which our eyewitnesses have supplied is the news that Judge Kimball has a sense of humor. Also, Frank adds that attorneys from Cravath were there as well. Honestly, don't you wish you were?


  


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First news from infoworld w/Blake Quote
Authored by: QTlurker on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT

infoworld

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Soap operas don't hold a candle to this!
Authored by: ray08 on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:21 PM EDT
I've never watched soaps, but I know this is way more addictive and rivoting
than any soap opera!

Seems to me (IANAL) that the federal court must first rule on who owns the
copyrights (and therefore "owns" Unix?) before it could be necessary
to rule on a contract case. Should the judge rule that copyrights did transfer
to SCO, then it would be remanded to state court as a contract issue. Yes?

_______________________________________
ray08 a.k.a Anonymous-but I didn't post all of those messages!

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Eyewitnesses
Authored by: JustFree on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT
It is correct to state that the IBM commericials are correct, "Linux is
everywhere".

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as in free speech get it.

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  • Eyewitnesses - Authored by: stend on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:13 AM EDT
  • Eyewitnesses - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 12:55 PM EDT
What Copyrights did Novell have in 1995 anyway?
Authored by: ansible on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT

I think this has been asked before, but I'll ask it again:

Is it at all clear that Novell had any copyrights in their possession at the time of the sale?

They would have had some claims to copyrights over much (but not all) of the SysV code. Anything from BSD they probably couldn't claim copyrights over. Had they tried at the time, the Regents would likely have complained. The Unixware specific stuff they would have had copyrights though.

So it seems to me, that if Novell had legally transfered copyrights, they would have had to specifically spell out everything they had valid claims to, and what they didn't have claims to.

Anything less would have been irresponsible. It seems to me that everyone knew this at the time, and didn't worry about the copyrights. It is only due to corporate amnesia that this issue is even coming up.

So in other words, I really don't buy fiaSCO's argument that they are entitled to all copyrights for Unix.

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Thanks to those who attended and took notes
Authored by: ray08 on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:36 PM EDT
A big thanks to Frank and the unnamed second witness.

For more details, we'll just have to wait. But I thonk we got 90% of what
happened. Thanks guys!

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I can't believe they quoted the Novell letter
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:37 PM EDT
"appears to have transferred some copyrights"... yeah there is an open
and shut case...

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SCO's Argument
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT
<<Brent Hatch: Mr. Jacobs reads the contract now without the benefit of a
knowledge of the contract. He leaves out large portions of the contract and we
haven't been through discovery to see what is said by those who were there.
Refers to the TLA (December 6, 1995) - grant-back of rights to Novell. Why need
the TLA if the rights weren't transferred? This is a state law claim - they
slandered our title.>>

What exactly is he talking about there being a grant-back of rights under a TLA
and what exactly does the TLA say?

That being said, I don't think SCO's idea of discovering what the parties said
back then probably isn't going to get them far...especially if they try and
confuse the situation by impersonating that they're the Santa Cruz Operation
(now Tarantella) and don't show the APA between Tarantella and Caldera.

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Netware
Authored by: star-dot-h on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:39 PM EDT
One Hatch comment highlighted a different perspective - he stated that the
Copyrights withheld by Novell only related to Netware. I can see this being the
case.

Fortunately we know that this is just an irrelevent sideshow wrt Linux as there
are *no* copyrighted bits of "SCO Unix" in Linux.

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First Infoworld Article w/Blake quote
Authored by: QTlurker on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:46 PM EDT

infoworld

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News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:56 PM EDT
Is SCO really saying that putting copyrights
in the excluded assets was a "scrivener's error"!?
If so, why didn't the amendment mention
it was correcting an error, and why wasn't it
more specific about the copyrights in question.

Doesn't make sense to me.

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The moral: be specific!
Authored by: freeio on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT
There is one thing which is obvious from all of this, and that is just why legal contracts tend to be so long, and filled with specific and sometimes unusual words and phrases:  Those exact words and phrases have come, through usage and precident, to mean very specific things, things which must be tied down in a contract.  You cannot use just any layman's words to agree to something which will be evaluated in a court of law, because they will not necessarily be good enough to nail down what needs to be nailed down.

The Novell/SCOX business is made a bit opaque by the fuzzy wording of some parts of the APA and the ammendments - some things were not specifically stated, and some necessary agreements were merely implied.  This is a Very Bad Thing. 

Moral:  have a true legal eagle draft your agreements, and review them thoroughly, so that you do not agree to something you did not intend.

Marty

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Tux et bona et fortuna est.

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NetWare?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT
NetWare? What the hell does NetWare have to do with anything? NetWare wasn't on
the table, so why would any reference have been made to it?

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  • NetWare? - Authored by: star-dot-h on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:14 PM EDT
  • NetWare? - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:18 PM EDT
  • NetWare? - Authored by: Budgreen on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:38 PM EDT
  • NetWare? - Authored by: valdis on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:47 PM EDT
  • NetWare? - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 11:08 AM EDT
(Very) OT: SuSE 9.1 Eval
Authored by: Steve Martin on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT

Some time back, PJ did an article in which she praised the upcoming SuSE 9.1 release. It looks like it's just about to ship now (or perhaps is just now shipping), but for those who want to go ahead and sample it, SuSE has a 9.1 Live Eval ISO image available for download from their Web site.

I'm running it at the moment, using Konqueror to post this message... so far, so good.

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports Night"

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News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Authored by: sam on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:27 PM EDT
Judge Kimballs brilliant opinion was a case that they called Thermal Imaging.
Thermal may have been preceded by another word that I missed. Maybe it was
something like blank v Thermal Imaging.

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Don't forget. IAAL. (I am a layman.)

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News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Authored by: cxd on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:35 PM EDT
Did Novell mention that SCOG raised the issue of whether the APA transferred
the
copyrights in the first paragraph of SCOG's complaint?

Yes it was mentioned directly to the Judge.

Let me see it went something like this...

Judge Kimball if the plantiffs in this case could provide any evidence of
transfer we would not be here today.

The whole thing is going to come down to that one thing. There was much hand
waving by SCOG in fact... they even told the court that it would not be fair to
dismiss because they had other witnesses and evedence that the court should
listen to.

In responce Novell said... that is just the point we are making if there was no
instrumnet of conveyance why should we have to listen to all the side show
stuff. It is going to come down to if Judge Kimball can rule on Novells
copyright claim just on the wording in the APA and amendments or on all the
extra hand waving SCOG would like to show.

On the argument SCOG said that 204 question could not be looked at by the court
because there was a written contract. They leave out the part about no actually
language of transfer. They want it in state court regardless of what Novell
says about Federal Courts having Jurisdiction.

Oh if you could only see them tap dance around the fire.

Novell did bring up that the law supporting 204 requires fedral jusidiction
because of the transfer question. SCOG wants to just skip to the contract state
court issue as if copyrights have already changed hands.

Their argument was how could we have been doing business the last few years
without the copyrite?????

In the short Linux group debrefing in the hall after the event it was discussed
that this is what a licence is for. You do not need the copyrights if you have
a licence to use and modify.

One concern I did have. SCOG said they had documents that show that Novell
lincenced back from SCOG Unix after all this took place. SCOG said why would
Novell lincence anything back from us if the copyrights did not transfer to us.
I do not have enough legal background to understand this argument. I did not
get to see what document they were talking about.

SCOG did bring up. Why would we pay that amount for just the Unix licence
business again. We paid so much money we would have not done that if copyrights
were not transfered.

The Novell legal team where short and to the point. Judge Kimball was short and
to the point as well. The Novell attourneys were quick to point out the link
between this case and SCOG IBM.

Novell said to Judge Kimball, "your honor you relize this has bering on
another case before you?" Judge Kimball " Oh yes I am the very lucky
Judge to preside over that one as well." This Judge I think knows what
kind of people these are.

IBM had one of there attournys in the audiance. I did not get to say hello
because my son had to use the restroom just after court ended. It made me feel
good to see her there. I do not know why.

Daryl was there today as well. He sat right in front of my son and I. He
looked very tired. I was going to ask him about the stock price but I was
gentleman and did not bring it up. I was explaining to my son that this is the
man that likes to steal and use other peoples work. He makes it hard for Daddy
to work on his computer systems. My sons responce was why would he steal your
work? Because he wants to sell it for money? So Daddy can he just take your
work and sell it? Well son that is what we are here today to see if we can
stop. My 5 year old son Parker now fully understands the case and was ready to
tell them to stop stealing and selling what is not theirs? Lets hope Judge
Kimball can see this as well.

One more thing. It was great to see SCOG admit that some of their filings were
as they said not as good as they could have been. They admited many flaws in
some of their legal filings. This was good to see.

Well it is over. A long day.

I am frustrated because I do not know what way this will turn out. I look
forward to reading the rulings.

Judge Kimball is a very smart man and I fell good about him as a Judge.

No visible press there. I think I saw Bob Mimms of the Salt Lake Tribune but I
am not sure if that was him or not.

I will write more of my thoughts if they come to me.

Sorry for the spelling it is late.

Have a super night.

Karl

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I bet most of us wish we could have been there
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:50 PM EDT
This folks, was a moment in history. My god! to be a fly on the wall! I'd have
given my right kidney...

but seriously, to be there, watching history unfold, the coffin lid going down
on SCO.

I think the judge did the right thing here, definitely, without question, this
way the judgement can be handed down in writing, and there will be no question.

My bet is it'll read something like:

SCO has shown no documented evidence of copyright ownership or transference, and
no instrument of conveyance, as such SCO has no legal holding and its slander of
title gets tossed, along with a lot of other things.

and then, it'll be like the titantic after it split, because it's all over, and
its going to be very very bloody... wiping the floor doesnt come close.

I bet IBMs staff there were busy, someone, probably at least two people doing
shorthand, with them reporting back, has to be a good day.

Maybe this will cause the US to think its messed up patent/IP laws... we can
dream, cant we? :)

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SCOG's argument that copyright transfer issues raised by defendent have state jurisdiction
Authored by: Thomas Frayne on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:58 PM EDT
In its reply memorandum, SCOG had argued that it did not raise the issue whether
the APA plus Amendment 2 transferred the copyrights, and the case law indicates
that state courts have jurisdiction when such issues are raised by the
defendent.

SCOG did raise this issue, in the first paragraph of its complaint.

I would have expected Novell to point this out, but I have not seen that they
did. Perhaps it was so obvious that they didn't bother pointing it out, or the
witnesses didn't think it worth mentioning.

I think that understanding this point is central to the decision on the remand
motion.



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TSOG also needs to prove transfer from SCO/Tarantella to Caldera/TSCOG
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT
As the Asset Purchase Agreement was between Novell, Inc. and The Santa Cruz
Operation, Inc.(not the present plaintiff-- Caldera something renamed The SCO
Group (www.thescogroup.com)), is there any evidence of a transfer of the
copyrights in question from The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.to the plaintiff
(currently called) The SCO Group?

The SCO Group's original complaint against Novell seems to be purposely vague
about this important distinction that The SCO Group, in whatever form or name,
was not a party to the Asset Purchase Agreement and, therefore, never purchased
any of the items in question here from Novell. I wonder if this is a weak link
in the The SCO Group's case, otherwise they would seem to have no standing.
There may be purpose behind this name-change game.

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News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Authored by: Khym Chanur on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 11:34 PM EDT
It would seem that SCO is arguing that, if the disputed intrument of transfer is in writing, then the state courts gets to decide if it has enough clarity to meet 204(a), and if it isn't in writing, then it obviously doesn't meet the requirements of 204(a), so the state courts can rule on that, also. In other words, there aren't any circumnstances when a federal court would have to decide on a 204(a) issue. Is that what you get if you take their argument to its logical conclusion?

Also, is SCO claiming that the slander of title law in the state SCO wants this tried in doesn't require specificity for special damages, and that specificity is only required for federal level slander of title cases?

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Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Paraphrased from Terry Pratchett)

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Sco Website and their view on copyright transfer
Authored by: british on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 01:10 AM EDT
Seems Sco can't make their mind up about transfer of copyright they argue in
court that Novel must of transfered copyright even though they can't show where
it explicitly states that in any of there stuff with Novel. But when they are
talking about them transfering copyrights the story is much different found this
gem on there scosource site

http://www.thescogroup.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html

# Hasn’t SCO already indicated that it’s okay for its code to be distributed by
distributing this code itself that is now in question? Haven’t they essentially
GPLed their code?
During the period that SCO distributed Linux (2001 to 2003), SCO was unaware of
the copyright violations. Once it became aware of the alleged infringements, it
ceased all distributions of Linux to new customers. Copyrights cannot be given
up by unintentional or illegal inclusion in a GPL product. The owner of the
copyrights must transfer the copyrights in writing or some other affirmation,
which SCO has never done. U.S. Copyright law also protects copyright holders
from illegitimate contribution by also requiring express permission, which
again, SCO has never granted. U.S. Copyright law states: “A transfer of
copyright ownership, other than by operation of law, is not valid unless an
instrument of conveyance, or a note or memorandum of the transfer, is in writing
and signed by the owner of the rights conveyed or such owner’s duly authorized
agent.” U.S.C. §204.

Seems when they are not in court, copyrights transfer is very clear :)


Where is this free beer

---
Lee Welburn

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News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Authored by: darkonc on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 01:28 AM EDT
Novell is praying for (implicitly) a declaration that the sales contract and amendment constitute a transfer. It attempts to do it by simply presuming (but not declare) that the documents constituted a transfer, and asking the courts to rule based on that presumption.

In describing the apparently explicit exclusion of UNIX copyrights as a scivner's error, SCO is, once again asking the courts to presume (but not declare) that, in the face of this purported error, the amended contract still classifies as a written transfer.

Novell disputes this interpretation.

The court, however, is not free to presume the answer to issues that are in dispute before it. It must decide them. The moment that the court is called on to decide questions such as whether the alleged 'scrivner's error' fatally flaws the ammended contract as a transfer document, it has walked firmly into federal copyright law, and binds it to federal court.

It should also be noted that, in it's claim for relief, SCO is asking for a transfer of copyright (once again, presuming this to be it's right).

Despite SCO's very capable gymnastics, there is little that can hide that the heart of this question is whether or not the copyrights belong to SCO or Novell. At the heart of that issue is the question of whether or not the ammended contract qualifies a Section 204(a) writing. That is a federal question, and -- once that federal question is answered -- the rest of the case falls out of that decision.

---
Powerful, committed communication. Touching the jewel within each person and bringing it to life..

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Commingling Cases
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 01:58 AM EDT
Can Judge Kimball allow his decision in this case be influenced by information
presented to him in the SCO v IBM case?

Will practicalities of the two cases play into his decision? The APA with
amendments and the TLA have been presented in both cases. Therefore he knows he
may need to decide contract issues in the IBM case whether or not he remands.
Either that or, if he remands, the IBM case could be put on hold until the
Novell issue is resolved.

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A bit OT: copyright is a mess
Authored by: LittleBlue on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:03 AM EDT
All of this discussion about copyrights is confusing, at least to me.

Because of the copyright issue I decided to do a little research on copyrights
on what I have in the house. I first looked at books that I know are old
stories, and presumably out of copyright. I then looked at CDs that I know are
reissues of older LPs.

First Robert Lewis Stevenson's "Treasure Island". The edition I have
was published by "The Readers Digest". On the copyright page it
states:
"This..edition contains the complete text...first published in 1883.
(An) Illustration by (name) from Treasure Island is used with permission
copyright 1911; copyright renewed.

Copyright 1987 The Readers Digest Association, Inc.

All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized reproduction, in any manner, is prohibited.

The question becomes, what exactly is being copyrighted?

The story itself is surely out of copyright, even if it was copyrighted
(originally) in the US. But this notice claims "all" rights! This
seems to be a claim on something that the publishers cannot make a claim on. If
they are only claiming the format then this should surely be stated and not
everything else.

I then looked through my CDs.

The situation here is just as bad. The first CD I looked at "Every Good
Boy Deserves Favour" The Moody Blues.

Production date 1971 Decca Record etc. Copyright 1997 Decca etc.

What are they claiming the more recent copyright date for? The original
copyright for the words and music would date from 1971 at the latest. The
original LP came out then. Are they claiming that the change of format resets
the clock? I would have thought that the copyright on the format of CDs would
be owned by Philips/Sony.

It is my opinion that the definitions of copyright needs to be totally reworked,
worldwide, otherwise NOTHING will ever come out of copyright. The addition of a
full stop somewhere, or a change of font, will allow the mess we are seeing with
the Unix SVRx copyrights to continue in all areas of publishing (or not as the
case may be).

Sorry about the rant, but what I see as abuse of the copyright system gets my
goat somewhat.

Cheers

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My recommendation to Judge Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:15 AM EDT

<humor, I think!???>
Remand: grant, Dismissal: Grant

Sco Lawyers a little afterwords:"

"What'll we do now?"
"Appeal!"
"Where?"
"Federal Court!"
"But they say it's been remanded we have to go to state"
"So go to state"
"They say they have no record! We can't appeal without a state
decision!"
"Appeal the remand in Federal!"
"But it was our motion, we won. they won't let us!"

Well, If I've invented the legal black hole, remember patent pending, licenses
$699 each until November when they become $1399. Gett'm while their hot!

-- TWZ


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OT: IBM announcement at 1999 LinuxWorld
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:16 AM EDT
I was browing the internet for something far removed from this whole SCO thing, when I came accross a quote from 1999. Here is the address where I got it from: http://www.vector.org.uk/v161/bob161.htm

The whole thing is an interesting read, but here's the part I found particularily interesting:

San Francisco (March 3, 1999) – This week at the LinuxWorld Expo in San Jose, IBM detailed its plans for Linux, including extensive, seamless, single point-of-contact global support to be offered in conjunction with the four major Linux vendors, Red Hat, SuSE, Caldera, and Pacific HiTech ... IBM also announced its plans to port several IBM products to Linux ... and a port for Linux to certain RS/6000 models, including the high-end POWER3-based 43P Model 260 ...
Going back to the article from last week about when SCO shoulda known, how could they be partners without knowing?

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OT : Eric Raymond Quote.
Authored by: Greebo on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:51 AM EDT
Interesting Story here about Baystar and RBC. The nice quote is the one at the very end of the story from Eric Raymond.

Added Eric Raymond, a co-founder of the Open Source Initiative: "SCO has p*!£ed off so many different outfits that if their headquarters were to be slagged down by a UFO death beam tomorrow, nobody would be a bit surprised," he said.

Greebo

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Recent Linux Convert and Scared Cat Owner

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OT: SCO settles Copyright suit
Authored by: bstadil on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:59 AM EDT
Apparently SCO stole whole sections from a book about Webmin and posted on their site, as their own.

With this in mind I think we should try and come up with a plan to check what Linux code found it's way into UnixWare. This posibility has be voiced before but this behaviour adds credibility to the theory

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Darl's own words about copyright transfer
Authored by: JR on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:04 AM EDT
I am sure this is in other postings in groklaw, but this is worth repeating. I
am writting this after reading a posting from a user from the Yahoo! board...

If you go to http://DarlMcBride.com, you will find Darl's open letter, if you
quote Darl McBride; here is what HE has to say about copyrights transfer:

"In copyright law, ownership cannot be transferred without express, written
authority of a copyright holder."

"Transfer of copyright ownership without express written authority of all
proper parties is null and void."

It is interesting to see that they think different standards should be held for
his company.

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OT: News about Lindows vs Microsoft case in the Benelux.
Authored by: bonzai on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:47 AM EDT
On WebWereld (only in Dutch) there is some news about the case between Lindows and Microsoft. The case was heard and in 2 weeks the judge in Amsterdam will come with a verdict. If I have some more time, I will translate parts of that page. It's all about the name 'Lindows' which seems to look too similar to 'Windows'. The company name is still 'Lindows Inc.' but their product name is changed to 'Linspire'. The word 'Lindows' can still be found on some parts of their site although for a big part is already changed into 'Linspire'. M$ didn't like 'Lindash' ('Lin---s') but 'Linspire' is OK for them.

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ESR quote - funny (I think...)
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:00 AM EDT
From Bob Mims' article "Bank Cuts Financial Tie to SCO"
(http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/wallst/33728.html)

"Added Eric Raymond, a co-founder of the Open Source Initiative: 'SCO has
pissed off so many different outfits that if their headquarters were to be
slagged down by a UFO death beam tomorrow, nobody would be a bit surprised,' he
said."

:-)

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Slander of Title: bad idea?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:26 AM EDT
Ianal, but after reading about a gazillion posts and replies, it seems to me SCO
has made a CATASTROPHIC mistake by claiming slander of title.

Is that right, or is it more subtle than that? Just a simple yes or no will do
if you don't want to elaborate.

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OT: Microsoft and SAP agree on broad co-operation
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:55 AM EDT
There is an article on the German SPEIGEL ONLINE news site:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,299438,00.html

news.com has it in English:

http://news.com.com/2100-7345_3-5210555.html
-
Summary:

SAP announced the partnership on the SAP user conference SAPPHIRE in New
Orleans. Co-operation includes common marketing activities, formation of a
common technology support center in Germany, mutual exchange of patents and a
closer integration of SAP's NetWeaver technology platform with .NET. Customers
have demanded better integration of MS Office products and NetWeaver and a
higher degree on compatibility.

Kagermann said that this is just the beginning of further co-operation: "It
is time for openness".
-
I wonder if he is talking about Open Source. In the context of SAP's pushing for
software patents in the EU, and from the sentence about compatibility it is
obvious to me that SAP is another firm demanding broad protection of interfaces.
I do not hope that SAP is dropping its Linux support.

On the other hand, Kagermann is certainly a bright guy. This co-operation could
just mean that SAP is trying to secure their SMB initiative against Microsoft's
upgrate-to-incompatibility game.

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Yes, yes, yes
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:41 AM EDT
Enough about how nice the courtroom was, what was the judge *wearing*? Are
hemlines above or below the knee this season?

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Novell licensing of Unix from SCO
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:43 AM EDT
I found that comment interesting by SCO. It would seem
likely to me that Novell simply licensed back those
changes to SRV that SCO had made post APA, and so I would
love to see that document they refer to. After all, SCO
certainly has a right to copyright ownership of any of the
additions it has made to Unix after receiving Unix sources
from Novell, JUST LIKE IBM DID IN CREATING AIX. Oops...




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OT: SCO settles copyright out of court
Authored by: eamacnaghten on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 07:24 AM EDT
See http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7578&mode=thread&order= 0

The SCO Group won't be going to court over chapters of a system administration book it copied without permission.

Controversial UNIX vendor The SCO Group apparently has paid to settle a copyright infringement complaint from San Francisco publisher No Starch Press.

Hmm - respectors of copyright .... against piracy ... Not SCO me thinks.

(Thanks to yahfilou of SCOX Yahoo board - Please forgive me if this has already been posted).

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  • A TSCOG First !! - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:09 AM EDT
News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 07:33 AM EDT
Just curious - about how long did the oral arguements take? Round numbers fine.
;-)

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OT: Samba and a new antitrust issue?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 07:54 AM EDT

It looks like the Samba team have been quietly coping with some fallout relating to a recent M$ "upgrade/patch" exercise. The patch in question fixed a Windblows password vuln but also had the effect of preventing the changing of passwords associated with shares on Linux/Unix Samba servers. Deliberate? who knows, or even cares, the problem has now been addressed and sorted by the Samba team.

Be that as it may it emerges that The Vole is now attempting to place conditions upon the use of CIFS with code released under the GPL and thats the noise another antitrust issue makes as it comes out from under it's rock right there!

If you're interested in the full story then this is the place to go.

Enjoy!

CPW

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Ugh with the updating same article
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 08:21 AM EDT
bet noone else notices because they dont happen to check the article again
expecting additions to be made. bah. no more.

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typo
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 08:25 AM EDT
"Jovina" instead of "Jasper" (or "Bovina" or
"Jasper v Bovina")

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PJ - Suggestion
Authored by: codswallop on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:04 AM EDT
This isn't a high priority, but if I'm understanding the comment below, it's a
request for some way to easily tell if an article has been updated.

If the next time someone is inside that bit of code they add an updated date to
the creation date, you could make this work very nicely. Initially the 2 dates
are the same and printing of the update date is supressed. When the article is
updated, the update date is set to reflect this and the udate date will print,
because the 2 dates arer no longer the same. The article display order on the
home page would be by update date, so updated articles would move to the top
when they were updated, where people could see them.

More difficult and somewhat less important would be to make the updated article
and its comments a clone of the old article, so the old article would remain in
it's original date position unchanged. This would be more programming, but would
save you some work, because it would make it more reasonable to update old
articles, possibly saving the writing of entirely new ones.

This could be a pain, depending on how the comment tree links are represented.
You don't want to duplicate the comment records. This would cause all sorts of
problems. It would be better to just not bring the old comments along, than to
duplicate them. Copying the article itself is perfectly reasonable, since once
it's updated, it's not the same object.

Old programmers are like old fire dogs, every time they hear the fire bell, they
want to jump onto the fire truck.

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Can you appeal a denial of an motion to Remand?
Authored by: olly on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:49 AM EDT
If the judge decides to dismiss SCO's motion to Remand, can they appeal it? In
what court, if so?

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Zerowing
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 10:41 AM EDT
Yeah, it's been done to death, but what the heck... Here's my version:
---

In A.D. 2003

War was beginning

Sontag: What happen?
Caldera: Someone set up us the Darl
Stowell: We get signal
Sontag: What!
Stowell: Main screen turn on.

Sontag: It's you!!
Darl: How are you gentlemen!!
Darl: All their code are belong to us
Darl: They are on their way to destruction

Sontag: What you say?
Darl: They have no chance to survive make your lawsuit
Darl: Ha ha ha ....

Sontag: Take off every 'Stock'!!
Sontag: Move 'Stock'.
Sontag: For great profit.

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Bob Mims view in the SLT
Authored by: QTlurker on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 10:53 AM EDT

Some thought they saw Bob Mims there. Here is a sample from his story, he has different details.

Hatch further cautioned Kimball, who also is the presiding judge in the SCO-IBM case, that by embracing Novell's claim that SCO never obtained all rights to Unix he might hand "a very important victory" to foes and negatively affect the Utah company's chances in other litigation.

Novell attorney Michael Jacobs noted that documents related to the 1995 Unix sale to SCO specifically excluded "all copyrights and trademarks" except for "certain assets" granted for development of SCO's UnixWare. Further, he argued, the deal limited SCO's enforcement of any Unix copyrights solely to derivative code it developed on its own -- not what it obtained from Novell.

"Novell asks a judge to scrap SCO's lawsuit", Bob Mims, The Salt Lake Tribune

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OT: Boies working for Miramax against Disney
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 11:35 AM EDT
"Miramax meanwhile is prepping for a legal battle on the pic and has
retained high-profile attorney David Boies in an effort to resolve the doc's
distribution fate. Case could go to arbitration in coming days."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1940&u=/variety/20040511/va_fi
_ne/miramax_pulling_a_pixar__05_112004&printer=1

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What did SCO buy?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 12:44 PM EDT
What did SCO buy?

One of the questions that the SCO group keeps slinging around is that if they
didn't buy all copyrights to SysV, what did they buy? I'm glad that Novell
apparently addressed this issue in court. It makes sense that what SCO bought
was the same thing IBM and others have bought – the right to use UNIX SysV as a
base from which to expand and build their own software. That is why they still
have to pay 95% royalties to Novell on SysV contracts. If I understand it
correctly, they don't have to pay royalties on software that they built based on
SysV and then sold to other companies (i.e. their derivative works). That is
also why they don't get all the copyrights for SysV. They don't need to own the
copyrights to SysV anymore than IBM needs to own the copyrights to SysV. They
simply licensed them to make derivative works.

The problem seems to be, that unlike IBM and others that built their own flavor
of UNIX, SCO was not able to develop a decent derivative work based on SysV that
anyone wanted to buy. Since they couldn't make it as programmers, they decided
to try their hand at lawsuits and extortion for a living. Fortunately for us,
they don't seem to be much more adept at litigation than they were at developing
a useful UNIX derivative. They aren't too great at extortion either, based upon
their latest SEC filings.

The only thing they seem to be good at is FUD. If I was Darl and company, I'd
be feeling some FUD about my future right about now...

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The SCO Group runs afoul of Novell's copyrights?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 12:59 PM EDT
If Novell is proven to still owns UNIX copyrights and TSCOG was distributing any
products containing Novell IP, would not TSCOG be the infringer and Novell have
claims?

I guess TSCOG could claim ignorance (at which they are most convincing).

Could Novell then compel TSCOG to produce the IP they have been in such a dither
about?

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Remand? tough call.
Authored by: arch_dude on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 12:59 PM EDT
It's easy to argue either way on this.

Judge Kimball might note that SCOG's slander of title case can fail for any one
of four reasons, only one of which might be construed as a federal issue. Since
a brief look at the filings is all the judge needs to see that SCOG will almost
certainly fail on all four issues, he may choose to let the state court deal
with it, and grant the motion to remand. Essentially, Remand due to silliness.

Alternatively, Judge Kimball may elect to keep the case (deny the motion to
remand) based on judicial economy. His reasoning would be "this APA is one
of the worst pieces of legal trash I have ever had the misfortune to deal with.
Since I'm already forced to deal with this dog in another case, I'll keep SCO v
Novell to spare the state judge the misery of reading it."

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News from Eyewitnesses to the Hearing on SCO v. Novell Motions
Authored by: jals on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT
Judge Kimball: (Takes both motions under advisement.) If he rules for the Motion to Remand, the Motion to Dismiss will be moot, otherwise he'll rule on both. (no time frame given)

Does this mean he may decide, at once what happens with this case? (That is: he says no to the motion to remand, yes to the motion to dismiss?) (Obviusly, IANAL)

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Maybe Other Threats To Come
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:54 PM EDT
<<Hatch further cautioned Kimball, who also is the presiding judge in the
SCO-IBM case, that by embracing Novell's claim that SCO never obtained all
rights to Unix he might hand "a very important victory" to foes and
negatively affect the Utah company's chances in other litigation.>>

If that threat doesn't work, maybe Brent will threaten to have his daddy, the
senator, screw up Judge Kimball's career unless the judge rules for his side's
favor.

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Brent Hatch wants us to look at the contract as a whole; so I tried that
Authored by: FUZZYsub2 on Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 04:24 AM EDT
First of all, of course, it's important to illuminate whenever it occurs the attempted swindle that newSCO == oldSCO.

Most long-timers here know the following cast of characters:
Seller = Novell;
Buyer = oldSCO, which has become Tarantella.
Caldera of the many costumes, later to become newSCO, is at the time of this transaction merely a stooge sitting in the audience. It is purportedly the current successor-in-interest to the Buyer.

From the APA:

1.1 Purchase of Assets

(a) Purchase and Sale of Assets. On the terms and subject to the conditions set forth in this Agreement, Seller will sell, convey, transfer, assign and deliver to Buyer and Buyer will purchase and acquire from Seller on the Closing Date (as defined in Section 1.7), all of Seller's right, title and interest in and to the assets and properties of Seller relating to the Business (collectively the "Assets") identified on Section 1.1 (a) hereto. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Assets to be so purchased shall not include those assets (the "Excluded Assets") set forth on Schedule 1.1 (b).
1.2. Payments.
(b) Royalties. Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (e) of this Section 1.2, Buyer agrees to collect and pass through to Seller one hundred percent (100%) of the SVRX Royalties as defined and described in Section 4.16 hereof. Seller agrees to pay Buyer an administrative fee of five percent (5%) of the SVRX Royalties. Seller and Buyer further acknowledge and agree that Seller is retaining all rights to the SVRX Royalties notwithstanding the transfer of the SVRX Licenses to Buyer pursuant hereto, and that Buyer only has legal title and not an equitable interest in such royalties within the meaning of Section 541(d) of the Bankruptcy Code. (. . .)
(e) Revenues to be Retained by Buyer. Subject to the last sentence of paragraph (a) of Section 4.16 hereof, Buyer shall be entitled to retain 100% of the following categories of SVRX Royalties collected by Buyer:
1. fees attributable to stand-alone contracts for maintenance and support of SVRX products listed under Item VI of Schedule 1.1(a) hereof;
2. source code right to use fees under existing SVRX Licenses from the licensing of additional CPU's and from the distribution by Buyer of additional source code copies;
3. source code right to use fees attributable to new SVRX licenses approved by Seller pursuant to Section 4.16(b) hereof; and
4. royalties attributable to the distribution by Buyer and its distributors of binary copes of SVRX products, to the extent such copies are made by or for Buyer pursuant to Buyer's own licenses from Seller acquired before the Closing Date through Software Agreement No. SOFT-000302 and Sublicensing Agreement No. SUB-000302A.

4.16 SVRX Licenses.

(a) Following the Closing, Buyer shall administer the collection of all royalties, fees and other amounts due under all SVRX Licenses (as listed in detail under item VI of Schedule 1.1(a) hereof and referred to herein as "SVRX Royalties"). Within one (1) calendar month following each calendar month in which SVRX royalties (and royalties from Royalty-Bearing Products) are received by Buyer [except for those SVRX Royalties to be retained in their entirety by Buyer pursuant to paragraph (e) of Section 1.2 hereof] Buyer shall remit 100% of all such royalties to Seller or Seller's assignee. Buyer shall also provide to Seller, within six (6) days following the calendar month in which such royalties are received, and estimate of the total amount of such royalties. Buyer shall diligently seek to collect all such royalties, funds and other amounts when due (and shall investigate and perform appropriate auditing and enforcement under such licenses at Buyer's cost including auditing two (2) SVRX licensees identified by Seller during each quarter in which SVRX Royalties are collected). In consideration of such activities described in the preceding sentence, Seller shall pay to Buyer within 5 days of receipt of SVRX Royalties from Buyer as set forth in the preceding sentence, an administrative fee equal to 5% of such SVRX Royalties together with a remittance sufficient to cover applicable third party payments, (if any) which are attributable to distributions giving rise to such SVRX Royalties (and royalties from Royalty-Bearing Products) and for which Buyer has assumed Seller's obligation of payment to such third party.
(b) Buyer shall not, and shall not have the authority to, amend, modify or waive any right under or assign any SVRX License without the prior written consent of Seller. In addition, at Seller's sole discretion and direction, Buyer shall amend, supplement, modify or waive any rights under, or shall assign any rights to, any SVRX License to the extent so directed in any manner or respect by Seller. In the event that Buyer shall fail to take any such action concerning the SVRX Licenses as required herein, Seller shall be authorized, and hereby is granted, the rights to take any action on Buyer's own behalf. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Buyer shall have the right to enter into amendments of the SVRX Licenses (i) as may be incidentally involved through its rights to sell and license UnixWare software or the Merged Product [as such latter term is defined in a separate Operating Agreement between the parties to be effective as of the Closing Date, a copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit 5.1(c)], or future versions of the Merged Product, or (ii) to allow a licensee under a particular SVRX License to use the source code of the relevant SVRX product(s) on additional CPU's or to receive an additional distribution, from Buyer, of such source code. In addition, Buyer shall not, and shall have no right to, enter into new SVRX Licenses except in the situation specified in (i) of the preceding sentence or as otherwise approved in writing in advance by Seller on a case by case basis.

POP QUIZ:

1. Does it appear from the foregoing that Seller intended to transfer to Buyer "everything" related to SVRX?
Hint: Follow the money. Who gets the Royalties? Why?
Hint: Follow the action. Who gets to call the shots? Why?

2. Does Seller acknowledge newSCO as successor-in-interest to the Buyer?
Hint: Follow the money. Novell has apparently made claim on newSCO for withheld royalty payments within the past year.

3. Does newSCO, as apparent successor-in-interest to the Buyer, have any authority to issue source code licenses to SVRX code as it purports to be able to do?
Hint: Take a close look at the last sentence of 4.16(b).

4. Even if newSCO, as successor-in-interest to the Buyer, were able to issue source code licenses of some unidentified and speculative SVRX content to Linux users at US $699.00, how much would they be worth to newSCO?
Hint: Follow the money. Consider the provisions of 1.2(e). Are these

1. fees attributable to stand-alone contracts for maintenance and support of SVRX products listed under Item VI of Schedule 1.1(a) hereof;
NO? How about
2. source code right to use fees under existing SVRX Licenses . . .
NO? Well, let's try
4. royalties attributable to the distribution by Buyer and its distributors of binary copes of SVRX products, to the extent such copies are made by or for Buyer pursuant to Buyer's own licenses from Seller acquired before the Closing Date
NO? Gee, that leaves
3. source code right to use fees attributable to new SVRX licenses approved by Seller pursuant to Section 4.16(b) hereof

Anybody think Seller is going to approve these?
That exhausts the situations in which newSCO, as successor-in-interest to Buyer, can hope to retain 100% of Revenues; so it would have to turn over such fees to Seller and be remunerated to the tune of US $34.95 for its efforts. That's in the unlikely event that Novell would go along with the game in the first place; otherwise the whole scheme is precluded by 4.16(b).

Extra Credit:

Seller retains the right to control Buyer's administration of SVRX licenses, and to collect the Royalties therefrom. Explain this.
Hint: Follow the IP

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Obligatory IANAL;WAYLTM?

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Darl is nobody's dummy
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:11 AM EDT
Those sharpies at Novell aren't going to get the best of Darl!

Why, when Darl was working at Novell he had knowledge (according to him) of the
intent of the APA with The Santa Cruz Operation -- a deal requiring 95 percent
of the UNIX business profits to go to Novell while explicitly excluding transfer
of Novell's UNIX copyrights.

THEN he goes to work for the company to which the APA was transferred, Caldera,
and tries to lay claim to the assets (he and) Novell explicitly excluded in the
APA.

DUHHH! That Darl is a sharp tack. Ouch!


I wonder how TSOG is going to explain why they have been paying this 95 percent
to Novell for all these years if TSOG owns the UNIX copyrights they claim?

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Does someone know the history behind Amendment 2?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 02:03 PM EDT
1) Hatch said, "APA was a scrivner's error, corrected by Amendment 2."
What does that mean? Was Amendment 2 touted as a clarification of the APA, or
as an adjustment to the originally intended terms?

2) Did Santa Cruz agree on the price before or after Amendment 2 was proposed?
If they settled the price based on the unamended agreement, which explicitly
excluded all copyrights, then how can newSCO claim that the price is absurd
unless copyrights are included?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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