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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 03:44 AM EDT

Here is SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION TO AMEND THE SCHEDULING ORDER as text. Thanks go to fjaffe and Steve Martin.



***************************************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE
[address, phone]

Robert Silver (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone]

Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone]

Attorneys for Plaintiff

________________________

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH, CENTRAL DIVISION

____________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.

Plaintiff,

v.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant.

__________________________

PLAINTIFF SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM
IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION TO
AMEND THE SCHEDULING ORDER

__________________________

Case No. 2:03CV0294DAK

Judge Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

______________________________

Plaintiff/Counterclaim-Defendant The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") respectfully submits this reply memorandum in support of its motion to amend the scheduling order.

PRELIMINARY STATEMENT

This is a complex intellectual property dispute turning on, among other things, technical issues about confidential software programs. SCO's requested amendment to the scheduling order would provide for a discovery plan that deals with the substantial practical problems and issues that have arisen, while only extending the trial date by five months. This limited amendment is necessary, in part, because IBM did not begin to produce crucial discovery, including any versions of its confidential operating system known as AIX - a program concededly central to this case - until late March of this year.(1) IBM still has not produced critical discovery that SCO needs, and SCO is following the procedures established by the Magistrate Judge in March to obtain this discovery. Nevertheless, the record shows that SCO has acted with full diligence and has been found to have complied with its obligations in "good faith."

Yet, IBM proposes to begin depositions immediately and complete 78 of them in the 45 business days that remain before the discovery deadline - an obviously impossible schedule that would force SCO to take its depositions without the written and documentary discovery (or the ability to prepare based on discovery) that is routinely available to any plaintiff in the present type of case. Even SCO's proposed schedule would entail an average of 10 depositions per month, many of them highly technical, for eight-straight months around the United States and possibly abroad - an aggressive schedule under any view, but one that seeks to complete the remaining work as quickly as practicable while maintaining SCO's opportunity for a fair adjudication of its claims.

IBM opposes SCO's motion on the dramatic, although generalized, grounds that SCO's present request is actually part of an "improper scheme" to impose "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" on the industry. To prove this "scheme" IBM says SCO is responsible for the delay at issue because SCO has not timely responded to all IBM discovery and because SCO filed a claim that it later discontinued.

IBM conversely argues that IBM did not create any need for any additional time when (1) IBM itself filed a broad patent counterclaim and later dropped it; (2) IBM itself deferred or decided not to provide discovery, including discovery as basic and central as its own AIX and Dynix code; and (3) IBM itself added numerous counterclaims to a schedule that concededly was not and could not have been designed to accommodate such claims.

The record demonstrates that each of IBM's contentions is wrong. For example, throughout its brief IBM accuses SCO of "misconduct," "malfeasance," and "disregard of two Court orders."(2) This pervasive invective asks this Court to simply assume that IBM's discovery (and merits) positions have already been adjudicated to be proper, and that SCO's positions have already been adjudicated to have been wrongful. Although IBM places dispositive reliance on these assumptions, the record contradicts each one:

  • IBM tells this Court that "SCO still refuses to identify the specific code from UNIX System V that IBM is claimed to have misused" in connection with its breach of license and other claims. In fact, SCO has identified a great deal of specific code that SCO expressly contends IBM misused in violation of its contract with SCO (See Section I below);
  • IBM repeatedly asks this Court to assume that SCO - because it asserted it needed other versions of IBM programs to respond to certain IBM discovery - has contemptuously acted in "disregard of two Court orders." In fact, the Magistrate Judge found the very opposite - that SCO in dealing with discovery has acted in "good faith" to comply with the Court's Order. March 3, 2004 Order at 3 (See Section II below);(3)
  • IBM asks this Court to assume that SCO was sanctioned with a stay of discovery because it was unable to support an element of its trade secret claims and withdrew that claim. In fact, the record plainly shows that the discovery stay was imposed because each side claimed it needed more discovery from the other - and because the Magistrate Judge believed that SCO, as plaintiff, should go first. (See Section II below). Under IBM's logic, IBM should also have been sanctioned because it also withdrew a patent counterclaim after it had been pending for a comparable period of time;
  • IBM asks the Court to assume that none of its conduct caused substantial delay. In fact, IBM repeatedly promised production of AIX and Dynix source code in 2003, but forced SCO to move to compel that production based on IBM's continuing failure to actually produce the necessary source code. After the Magistrate Judge ordered that production, SCO finally obtained its first access to any usable version of the essential AIX source code in late March of this year (See Section I below); and
  • IBM asks this Court to assume that its refusal to provide the remaining requested versions of its programs has already been held to be proper - and that SCO has been contemptuous in claiming that it needs such material to respond to certain IBM discovery. In fact, to the contrary, the Magistrate Judge's March 3, 2004 Order establishes a now ongoing procedure to give SCO an opportunity to demonstrate that very need - a procedure that would make no sense and not exist if IBM's repeated characterizations of SCO were accurate. (See Section II below).(4)

Just as IBM mischaracterizes SCO's discovery conduct and SCO's theories of the case, it similarly mischaracterizes public statements made by SCO about the case and about the status of discovery generally. For example, IBM falsely states that a Vice President of SCO publicly reported that "SCO's strategy in this case is not to `put everything on the table at the start but instead [to] bring out arguments and evidence piece by piece."' (See IBM Br. at 5). Contrary to IBM's representation, the statement made in a German magazine was not a statement about SCO's "strategy in this case," but rather was an explanation of "the particular way litigation is conducted in the United States," as opposed to Europe, and a clarification as to why confidentiality agreements are needed in the United States prior to viewing evidence.(5)

I. IBM'S DISCOVERY CONDUCT HAS CAUSED SUBSTANTIAL DELAY AS A MATTER OF UNDISPUTED RECORD FACT

The undisputed record contradicts IBM's remarkable claim to this Court that it "has never delayed in providing SCO with the discovery to which it is entitled."(6)

A. AIX and Dynix Code

IBM has substantially delayed production of its AIX and Dynix source code, which is at the heart of this case.(7) One of SCO's core claims is that IBM breached its license agreements when it contributed restricted AIX and Dynix source code to Linux. Without access to this source code, SCO would have to rely on nothing more than IBM's public pronouncements that it had contributed AIX and Dynix source code to Linux - statements that SCO had access to before filing this case and which supplied a basis for institution of this action. IBM, of course, would certainly contend that such statements, without more, were insufficient as proof of a breach of its agreement. Production of this source code will enable SCO to identify the specific files and lines of AIX and Dynix that IBM contributed to Linux and to continue the complex and technically demanding analysis necessary to identify all of the instances of IBM's irrefutable copying from AIX and Dynix into Linux.

To prove these matters, almost a year ago, on June 24, 2003, SCO requested IBM to produce "all versions or iterations of AIX and Dynix source code, modifications, methods and/or derivative works thereof' from 1999 to the present.(8) Although IBM conceded on August 13, 2003, that its AIX and Dynix code was relevant and agreed to produce versions it selected,(9) IBM failed to produce even a single line of code from either AIX or Dynix between June 24, 2003 and December 4, 2003. On that date, which was the day before the hearing on SCO's motion to compel production of the source code, IBM finally produced two CDs containing limited versions of Dynix. IBM still did not produce a single line of AIX code at that time.

IBM claimed in August 2003 that it had to delay production of this code due to a need to obtain third-party consents, but IBM waited until October 2003, before even seeking these approvals. After hearing argument on SCO's motion to compel, on March 3, 2004, Magistrate Judge Wells, as part of an overall Order lifting a temporary discovery stay, also issued a specific numbered directive requiring that IBM finally produce at least some versions of AIX code (and additional Dynix code).(10) On March 4, 2004, almost nine months after SCO originally requested its production, SCO finally received limited versions of AIX and additional Dynix source code so that SCO could begin to conduct the necessary code comparisons to prove its case. Even then, however, as discussed below, the source code was first produced in a format that was unusable (and that IBM knew or certainly should have known would be unusable). This is certainly inconsistent with IBM's representation to this Court that IBM "has never delayed in providing SCO with discovery" in this case.

B. Documents

IBM's delays were not limited to its source code. IBM did not produce documents from several of its top executives and key personnel in response to SCO's initial request for responsive documents. For example, Sam Palmisano, one of the architects of IBM's Linux strategy and the current CEO of IBM, was not listed as a source of documents. As a result, as of March 3, 2004, when Magistrate Judge Wells granted SCO's motion to compel, IBM had not produced a single document from the files of Mr. Palmisano or many of the key senior IBM officials responsible for overseeing IBM's Linux operations - some of the central witnesses in the case. Incredibly, among the documents IBM did not produce was a ten-page memo to IBM's senior management concerning IBM's decision to embrace Linux. This document has since been ordered to be produced per the March 3, 2004 Order. As detailed in SCO's motion to compel leading up to that Order, SCO was aware of this document only because IBM provided a copy of it to The New York Times.(11)

IBM needlessly delayed other discovery. When SCO produced CDs, it did so with the necessary document breaks to facilitate electronic review, IBM did not. When SCO brought this defect to IBM's attention in October 2003, IBM did nothing. Again, this is not the conduct of a party that "has never delayed in providing SCO with the discovery to which it is entitled."(12)

C. Witnesses

IBM's approach to witnesses has not been different. Rather than identify the witnesses with knowledge about the subject matter of the Complaint, IBM responded both over-inclusively and under-inclusively, providing a list of over 7,200 current and former IBM employees only while listing no third parties. IBM's unnecessarily lengthy list of internal employees significantly excluded IBM's CEO Sam Palmisano and Irving Wladawsky-Berger, key executives who are intimately involved in the Linux project in which IBM contributed AIX and Dynix to Linux which is central to SCO's case. Moreover, IBM did not even provide the most basic information concerning the 7,200 witnesses it did identify - not even telephone numbers and addresses.

On March 3, 2004, Magistrate Judge Wells ordered IBM to provide the requested information for "1,000 representative witnesses" taken from IBM's list of 7,200. However, when SCO sent a request for the identity of all persons on Exhibit E to IBM's earlier answers to interrogatories and added a list of 81 additional witnesses, IBM balked. It refused to provide the contact information for over half of these additional witnesses claiming they did not appear on IBM's lists of witnesses even though their names were drawn from IBM's own source log of people from whom IBM was producing documents.

D. IBM's Claim That It May Withhold Most Versions Of The Source Code At Issue Has Not Been Upheld And Is The Subject Of A Now Pending Review Process Expressly Established By The Magistrate Judge

IBM contends that SCO has engaged in "misconduct" because SCO has taken the position that it needs access to further versions of AIX and Dynix in order to respond to portions of IBM discovery. But it is remarkable for IBM to ask this Court to assume that SCO has committed "malfeasance" simply because it has disagreed with IBM, its adversary, in this litigation. Certainly the Magistrate Judge has expressly said that this is not the case. Rather than validate all IBM's refusals to provide further versions of AIX and Dynix in the Court's March 3, 2004 Order (as IBM contends), the Magistrate Judge has done the very opposite: the March 3, 2004 Order expressly establishes a now ongoing procedure to give SCO an opportunity to demonstrate its need for the remaining versions of AIX and Dynix. Specifically, in addition to ordering IBM to finally produce at least some limited versions of the source code (so that SCO by late March 2004 at least had more than zero versions), the Order sets up a procedure pursuant to which "SCO is to provide additional memoranda" explaining its need for the versions IBM refuses to provide at all. The "Court will then consider ordering IBM to produce more code from AIX and Dynix." (See March 3, 2004 Order, at 4).(13) If IBM were correct that SCO was engaging in "misconduct" for disagreeing with IBM, then this entire procedure established by the Magistrate Judge, of course, would make no sense.

II. IBM'S DESCRIPTIONS OF SCO'S DISCOVERY CONDUCT ARE DEMONSTRABLY INACCURATE

A. IBM's False Claim That SCO "Still" Will Not Identify The Code That SCO Claims That IBM Misused In Violation of its License

According to IBM, SCO has engaged in "discovery misconduct" and "malfeasance" because, "in disregard of two court Orders, SCO still refuses to identify the specific code from UNIX System V that IBM is claimed to have misused...." (See IBM Br. at 2-3, 11). IBM's invective is inaccurate. SCO has in fact provided voluminous materials to IBM showing the precise restricted code that IBM took from AIX and Dynix and contributed to Linux in violation of its contractual promises.(14)

IBM's claim that SCO has not identified code IBM misused is nothing more than a request that the Court simply assume that IBM is right about a central, contested merits issue in the case. IBM entered into a contract, i.e., a license, which required it to maintain "confidential" and not to transfer "in whole or in part" any UNIX source code it received under the license, as well as any "modification" or "derivative works based on" that software. (See, e.g., Software Agreement, ¶¶ 2.01, 7.10). Since IBM's versions of UNIX, which are known as AIX and Dynix, are - by definition - "modifications" and/or "derivative" works based on UNIX System V, the code contained in either AIX or Dynix must be maintained "confidential" and "may not be disposed of, in whole or in part." (Id. at ¶¶ 2.01, 7.10). Therefore, IBM's public statements that it "dumped" substantial amounts of code from AIX and Dynix into Linux, which is available for free download on the internet, confirm a clear, material breach of IBM's license. SCO must prove that IBM contributed code from AIX and Dynix to Linux to establish liability.

IBM has a different contract interpretation. According to IBM, even though both AIX and Dynix were developed from UNIX System V and include thousands of lines of original UNIX System V code, unless SCO can show that the specific lines of code that IBM contributed to Linux were copied from UNIX System V, SCO cannot establish that IBM breached its contract. IBM's position ignores the fact that it has license agreements with SCO - and the further (also basic) fact that the express terms of such agreements place the owner of the licensed intellectual property in a better position than it would have been in without the agreement. For example, SCO could have sued under the copyright laws to prove literal copying without the agreement, yet IBM says that is all that SCO can do even with the agreement (in fact, on IBM's view of the need to show literal copying, SCO has even fewer rights with the agreement than without it).(15)

Many of the discovery disputes in this case have arisen from this fundamental disagreement. SCO needs to inspect the versions of AIX and Dynix, (including logs) that have existed in any form during the period commencing in 1985 and continuing to the present to support the preparation of its jury case, to support alternative theories of liability, to rebut IBM's argument, and - in the first instance - to respond to IBM's discovery requests.(16)

IBM claims that SCO has no such need, that SCO could respond to all discovery without this additional information, and that SCO is guilty of "malfeasance" for disagreeing with IBM. IBM does not disclose that the Magistrate Judge has already set up a specific process to consider SCO's "good faith" efforts to comply with all discovery without such information and SCO's explanation of its need for that information. That process is now ongoing and may well itself not be completed - given IBM's own resistance to providing discovery - until sometime later this summer, which approaches the current August 4, 2004 discovery deadline IBM seeks to maintain. IBM's opposition to SCO's motion to amend the scheduling order asks the Court to preempt and render meaningless the Magistrate Judge's specific and detailed procedure for deciding this central issue.

IBM's repeated claims that SCO has engaged in discovery "misconduct" are directly contradicted both by the Magistrate Judge's recent "good faith" finding and the record that details SCO's extensive discovery productions in this case. IBM has not hesitated to attempt to impose burdens of the most extraordinary type - for example - two recent discovery requests whose responses are being served on IBM today (interrogatory nos. 15 and 16), would by their express terms require 20 person years of effort to prepare a response.(17) But disagreement on what is appropriate in discovery or providing information in a substantially less burdensome fashion without adversely affecting legitimate discovery needs is not "discovery misconduct." Nevertheless, as set forth in detail in the Notice of Compliance and the Declaration of Ryan Tibbitts filed with the Court dated January 12, 2004, and SCO's April 19, 2004 supplement and Declaration of Chris Sontag dated April 19, 2004, SCO has exhaustively complied, and continues to comply, with its discovery obligations in this case. Indeed, in responding to IBM's numerous discovery requests from August 4, 2003, to date, SCO has produced 241 CDs containing approximately 1.5 million pages of documents, and has produced all of the source code for its products in its possession, which exceeds over 700 million lines of code demanded by IBM.

B. IBM's Claims About SCO's Trade Secret Count

IBM repeatedly emphasizes SCO's long-since voluntarily dismissed claim for trade secrets.(18) On page 4 of its Memorandum, IBM repeats its remarkable charge that SCO somehow acted improperly in bringing a trade secret claim that it later dropped. SCO's conduct was not improper. Rather, it is a commonplace occurrence in litigation; claims are dropped in favor of stronger claims. Indeed, IBM itself has done so when it dismissed its own patent counterclaim in this case eight months after IBM filed that claim. Of course, by that time, SCO had undertaken considerable effort to obtain publicly available information to defend itself by showing IBM's inequitable conduct in obtaining the patent in question.

IBM inaccurately points to the Magistrate Judge's imposition of a "stay" as some type of punitive measure or sanction against SCO. (See IBM Br. at 6). Again, the record contradicts this assertion. As previously noted, the parties had a dispute concerning which party should provide discovery first, given claims by each party of need from discovery from the other as a precondition to proceeding. SCO maintained it needed IBM's AIX and Dynix code prior to providing its analysis of that code for the reasons described above. Faced with deciding who should proceed first, the Magistrate Judge required SCO to respond and "postponed all other discovery," so that SCO could produce the discovery it was capable of producing.(19) (See December 5, 2003 Hearing Transcript at 4). As IBM also fails to disclose, the Magistrate Judge also gave SCO the opportunity to file an Affidavit detailing why it could not provide discovery if (and to the extent) it was unable to absent further information from IBM. Nothing in the record supports IBM's claim that the stay of discovery was a punitive measure or sanction against SCO.

In sum, the record, including the Magistrate Judge's finding of good faith and the now ongoing Magistrate-established-procedure, make clear that SCO has acted with diligence. IBM's inaccurate invective should not deprive SCO of its right to engage in effective discovery on its claims.

III. IBM DOES NOT DISPUTE THAT ITS NUMEROUS COUNTERCLAIMS WERE NOT CONTEMPLATED BY THE SCHEDULING ORDER AND ADDED A SUBSTANTIAL BURDEN

It is SCO's position that the addition of 14 counterclaims to a schedule that could not have been designed to accommodate them created great burdens that ultimately contributed to SCO's need for an amendment of the scheduling order. IBM does not dispute that the original scheduling order was based solely on the complaint, and that it was designed without the benefit of any of IBM's counterclaims - in fact, without even any discussion of such claims. Nor does IBM dispute that these claims entailed very substantial incremental work.

Instead, IBM relies almost entirely on the argument that the impact of its 14 counterclaims should not count because "almost all of its counterclaims" have been pending for approximately nine months. (See IBM Br. at 6). This observation misses the point, which is that the original scheduling order -- which concededly did not and could not have anticipated those 14 counterclaims - already contemplated the allocation of that same nine month period to other purposes. A single nine-month period cannot be counted twice. For example, while SCO has moved to sever the complex patent counterclaims (and plainly needs to detach them from this core contract action), the fact that these broad patent claims have been pending during this nine-month period - which was designed to be devoted to other purposes - has unavoidably contributed to SCO's present need for more time.

IBM also uses its Opposition to focus on its admittedly "recently-filed" declaratory judgment copyright counterclaim. That counterclaim seeks a declaration that none of any of IBM's "Linux-related" activities or uses infringes any SCO copyright. (See IBM Br. at 12). IBM contends that this counterclaim does not add broad, new and unmanageable issues to the present case.(20) This is in fact one of the central issues presented by SCO's motion to dismiss or stay IBM's Tenth Counterclaim, which IBM added to the case on March 29, 2004 in filing its Second Amended Counterclaims. Like the discovery issue on which the Magistrate Judge has directed a now pending adjudication, the issue IBM presents here is the subject of a distinct submission and that separate issue will therefore be fully briefed for the Court.

IV. SCO HAS DEMONSTRATED GOOD CAUSE TO AMEND THE SCHEDULING ORDER

At the time the June 20, 2003 scheduling order was entered, this case consisted of affirmative claims by SCO and no counterclaims by IBM. As such, the scheduling order contemplated that the bulk of document discovery would be completed by early Fall 2003 and that the parties would have more than eight months to conduct iterative discovery and depositions of fact witnesses. The amendment SCO seeks will result in a similar schedule, despite the fact that since the scheduling order was entered, IBM has asserted 14 separate counterclaims.

Assuming the bulk of document discovery is completed by the Fall of 2004, SCO's proposed amended schedule again will provide parties with eight months to conduct iterative discovery and depositions. Indeed, SCO's proposed amendment sets forth a deposition schedule that assumes an average of 10 depositions per month, for eight months, throughout the United States and potentially abroad. Many of these depositions will involve highly-technical subject matters. SCO's proposed schedule is thus not a relaxed schedule that involves unnecessary time - it is plainly itself a highly aggressive schedule. By comparison, the current schedule of 78 depositions in 45 business days is simply impracticable, if not impossible. Such a schedule makes no sense (and, to SCO's knowledge, is unheard of) outside of contexts such as hostile tender offer litigation.

Besides the impossible deposition schedule, another illustrative hurdle facing SCO is that, contrary to IBM's recent supplemental filings, SCO still has not received responses to information requested in June 2003. For example, SCO still has not received the information it requested regarding the identification of the precise contributions of each of the hundreds or thousands of persons involved in the creation of AIX. IBM's April 19, 2004 supplement makes the incorrect statement that the precise contributions of the individuals identified can be ascertained "from the products themselves." This is not true regarding AIX. For AIX, the source code does not contain this information; rather, it is maintained by IBM on a central server that identifies all modifications made to the AIX code as well as who made the modifications and when they were made. SCO has repeatedly requested this information be produced and IBM has refused.

SCO also must contend with a variety of other complicating factors. For example, SCO needs other (historical) versions of IBM programs to demonstrate alternative bases for showing derivation from UNIX System V. IBM has claimed that SCO must make such showings, but IBM also refuses to provide SCO with the discovery needed to make such showings. As noted, the Magistrate Judge has provided SCO with the opportunity to demonstrate the nature of its need for the information IBM refuses to provide. SCO has now provided a detailed memorandum demonstrating this need. SCO did so after making every effort to do without such other versions of the IBM programs, which, as described in these submissions, SCO was ultimately not able to do until it received at least some versions of the code in March.(21)

There are, of course, other hurdles and impediments SCO has incurred and would face under IBM's proffered schedules. But SCO has established specific, concrete bases that are independently sufficient to show why it needs the additional time requested. Given those concrete and detailed showings of legitimate need and prior diligence by SCO, IBM's pervasive reliance on claims about SCO's "ulterior" motive in seeking this amendment is plainly inadequate as a matter of legal argument and is otherwise improper.

CONCLUSION

For all of the foregoing reasons, SCO respectfully requests that the Court amend the Scheduling Order as detailed in SCO's initial memorandum.

[signature of Brent O. Hatch]
Brent 0. Hatch (5715)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE
[address, phone]


Robert Silver
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone]

Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone]
Attorneys for Plaintiff

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that I caused a true and correct copy of the foregoing PLAINTIFF SCO'S REPLY IN MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION TO AMEND THE SCHEDULING ORDER be placed in the United States Mail first class postage prepaid on the 28th day of May, 2004 to the following:

Donald J. Rosenberg, Esq.
[address]


Evan Chesler, Esq.
David R. Marriott, Esq.
Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
[address]

Alan L. Sullivan, Esq.
Todd M. Shaughnessy, Esq.
Snell & Wilmer L.L.P
[address]


  1. AIX is a modification or derivative work based on UNIX System V that IBM licensed from SCO's predecessor.


  2. SCO's task of correcting IBM's pervasive deployment of invective, and showing how the record contradicts such claims, unavoidably requires more space than would have been needed if the focus could have been maintained on the parties' respective views as to the practical issues raised by the present motion.


  3. Where SCO cannot cite to specific documents in the court files, SCO relies on correspondence between counsel which is in IBM's possession. SCO will have this correspondence available at argument should the Court desire to inspect it.


  4. As a general matter, the picture IBM presents bears little relation to what is actually happening in discovery: IBM is over 1000 times the size of SCO, yet it has produced far less information and documents than SCO. IBM has also had six months to analyze SCO's production while SCO has had less than half that time to analyze IBM's production. Is it any wonder that IBM is resisting a motion that will provide SCO with an adequate opportunity to prosecute its case and defend against IBM's counterclaims?


  5. IBM similarly mischaracterizes the status of discovery generally. For example, although it firmly argues that its three patent claims (which SCO has moved to sever) should remain part of the case, it represents to the Court that all document discovery in the entire case is essentially complete and that depositions will require no more than two months to complete. In fact, as to IBM's patent claims, IBM has not produced a single document. Indeed, SCO's response to IBM's document request is not due until mid June of this year.


  6. IBM Br. at 13.


  7. IBM claims that "SCO does not need any AIX and Dynix source code for its analysis" because SCO has stated that Sun Microsystems ("Sun") and Hewlett Packard ("HP") have not violated their licenses by contributing their versions of UNIX to Linux without access to Sun or HP's modifications or derivative works of UNIX System V (See IBM Br. at 14-15). This excuse for not producing AIX and Dynix is incorrect. Unlike IBM, HP, for example, has never publicly proclaimed it has contributed its version of UNIX to Linux and, in fact, HP has represented specifically that it has not done so.


  8. See SCO's First Request for the Production of Documents and First Set of Interrogatories, dated June 24, 2003 (Document Requests No. 2 and 3).


  9. See IBM's Responses and Objections to SCO's First Request for Production of Documents and First Set of Interrogatories, dated August 13, 2003.


  10. As further discussed in Section II below, the Magistrate Judge did not indicate that she was staying discovery as a sanction against SCO. Rather, she "postpone[d]" additional discovery by either party until SCO could complete the discovery of which it was capable before considering SCO's motions to compel. (See December 5, 2003 Hearing Transcript at 4). When the Magistrate Judge's March 3, 2004 Order not only lifted the stay generally, but also added a specific, numbered directive granting relief requested in SCO's motion to compel, it also ordered IBM to produce the central source code which it had failed to produce prior to that date.


  11. This document, and others like it, were produced to SCO only after Magistrate Judge Wells ordered its production. Thus, its omission from IBM's production could not have been the result of a clerical error.


  12. IBM Br. at 13.


  13. SCO has worked hard, and expended substantial time and resources, in an effort to find ways of answering certain of IBM's discovery requests without access to the non-public information IBM has long declined to provide. But SCO has been unable to completely do so. SCO has now submitted (along with other discovery responses) the memorandum contemplated by the March 3, 2004 Order explaining its need for the requested information.


  14. SCO has provided dozens of detailed examples of the code IBM copied from AIX and Dynix into Linux and discusses the significance of these contributions. When IBM provided code in March, SCO identified further instances of IBM's contributions of AIX and Dynix to Linux. (See, e.g., Exhibits B and C to SCO's April 19, 2004 discovery responses).

    To provide this detailed information and otherwise comply with its discovery obligations, on August 4, 2003, SCO produced approximately 50 CDs containing source code for System V and UnixWare, identified dozens of SCO products, set forth its product development history by providing beta projects and source code and detailed its involvement in Linux in response to IBM's First Set of Discovery. On October 23, 2003, SCO supplemented its response to IBM's First Set of Discovery by producing approximately 54 CDs containing additional source code, as well as source code files and headings identified within the Linux 2.4 and/or Linux 2.5 kernel. SCO also then responded to IBM's Second Set of Discovery by producing various agreements, communications and documents, including an additional 54 source code CDs for various SCO products.

    On January 12, 2004, SCO produced approximately 82 CDs containing additional source code for various products, executive files, press and media documents, Linux sales invoices and SEC financials. In addition, SCO identified specific lines of source code that IBM contributed to Linux. SCO's ability to identify additional lines of code was hampered by IBM's refusal to provide AIX source code. When IBM finally produced additional versions of AIX and Dynix code pursuant to the Court's March 3, 2004 Order, SCO identified additional examples of improper copying of AIX and Dynix into Linux in SCO's April 19, 2004 response.


  15. To first get the benefit of the agreement for itself and then place SCO in a position of effectively having no agreement, IBM is (not surprisingly) forced to take extreme and implausible positions. For example, even though the agreement expressly states that IBM may develop "modifications" or "derivative works based on" the licensed UNIX System V, and even though IBM told the world that AIX was such a modification, IBM now refuses even to admit that the very same source code is a derivative or modification of UNIX. Similarly, the protected subject matter of the agreement is defined as the unitary "software product," and while the agreement allows IBM to create modifications and derivative works based on that "software product," it requires IBM to restrict its uses of those modifications and derivatives in all of the ways that uses of the original "software product" would be restricted.

    IBM will therefore, for example, be forced to argue that its source code, AIX, which it always treated as a single "software product" and sold to customers as a single "software product," is in fact not a single "software product" after all, but instead an aggregation of countless stand alone "sub-products," all somehow "tied" together in ways IBM has not previously explained to its customers.


  16. This discovery would serve several legitimate and indeed critical purposes. It would allow SCO to show additional transfers of AIX and Dynix to Linux. It is essential to allowing SCO to show the derivation of Linux from System V through the evolution of intermediate versions of AIX and Dynix. Each of these are ways to win under the contract, and SCO will establish other ways. SCO is entitled to the proof it needs to proceed under these (and other) theories. Even more immediately, SCO requires access to the requested information simply in order to respond to IBM's discovery demands - especially in the fact of IBM claims that SCO has engaged in "misconduct" because it has not yet responded to portions of those discovery demands.


  17. IBM's multipart Interrogatory Nos. 15 and 16 would require SCO to provide the genealogy - over a 20 year period - for each of over 240,000 lines of source code on a line-by line basis. At 10 minutes per line, it would take someone over 20 years to respond to these two interrogatories.


  18. As a purely factual matter, IBM's interrogatories, for example, were not confined to trade secrets; rather, the questions asked for "trade secrets and any confidential or proprietary information," which also would encompass items IBM was required to maintain in confidence pursuant to the license agreement and which SCO has identified.


  19. Specifically, Magistrate Judge Wells began the hearing stating that it was her intention to require SCO to respond and "otherwise postpone all other discovery until such filings have been [made] and compliance has been achieved." (See December 5, 2003 Hearing Transcript at 4). The March 3, 2004 Order then reflects Magistrate Judge Well's conclusion that SCO had acted in "good faith" in seeking to comply despite the problems SCO had initially raised in December 2003 as impediments to compliance - the problems created by IBM's own discovery conduct and decisions. Thus, Magistrate Judge Wells -- in the same March 3, 2004 Order lifting the stay that "postpone[d]" discovery - also included a specific, numbered directive requiring IBM to finally provide at least some versions of its AIX program and established a procedure allowing SCO to show why it needed other versions (one of the issues SCO had raised in December 2003).


  20. It is just common sense that IBM's claim would add new, broad and unmanageable issues to the case. IBM's claim by its terms implicates every single use of Linux. IBM is an end-user of Linux, as are a great many (perhaps countless) other entities. IBM's declaratory counterclaim would therefore - among other things - add the broad set of issues common to that very large group. SCO has not sued IBM in its capacity as an end-user of Linux. It has sued IBM because of facts specific to IBM, not because of facts that IBM shares in common with countless other entities.


  21. IBM's complaints about SCO thus are self-contradictory. IBM says that SCO could have done without these other versions and, for example, could have responded to IBM discovery without these other versions. Indeed, IBM contends that SCO was effectively in contempt for disagreeing with IBM. But IBM also did not provide SCO with any versions until March, 2004, and SCO could not try to make the detailed and specific showing of its need for these other versions - which it has now submitted - until it received at least one version of AIX from IBM.


  


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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 04:29 AM EDT
thanks for all the work PJ, adding sanity to a crazy situation !!

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Reading this again....
Authored by: RevSmiley on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 05:13 AM EDT
Reading this again makes me irationally angry at even decent upright lawyers.

That "SCOG" legal council can so distort reality and try and pass it
off on the Court turns my (healed) abdomen upside down.

---
Never accredit to unalloyed evil what simple greed compounded with stupidity can
explain.

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Where's the "good faith"?
Authored by: Anni on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 05:17 AM EDT
IBM has now pointed out several times that SCO has refused to follow TWO court orders. Here I see SCO counterclaiming this as follows:
IBM repeatedly asks this Court to assume that SCO - because it asserted it needed other versions of IBM programs to respond to certain IBM discovery - has contemptuously acted in "disregard of two Court orders." In fact, the Magistrate Judge found the very opposite - that SCO in dealing with discovery has acted in "good faith" to comply with the Court's Order. March 3, 2004 Order at 3 (See Section II below);(3)

Now, when I dig the footnote 3 explaining this further, it says:
Where SCO cannot cite to specific documents in the court files, SCO relies on correspondence between counsel which is in IBM's possession. SCO will have this correspondence available at argument should the Court desire to inspect it.

Ok, now I go to the section II, which was also referenced:
IBM's repeated claims that SCO has engaged in discovery "misconduct" are directly contradicted both by the Magistrate Judge's recent "good faith" finding and the record that details SCO's extensive discovery productions in this case.

And that's it, basically.
Do we have this document stating that the Judge really did say/write so? What's the wording in the real life there? I'm lousy at finding these type of things by myself.

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Has the judge reacted yet?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 05:28 AM EDT
Hi!

As I understand, the first meeting SCO tries to ferret away from is scheduled
for today. Yet, I have seen no reply to the motion other than IBM's.

Is there any word out if the delay was granted or denied?

kind regards,

Michael Böhnisch

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Translation of Blepp's comment in Der Spiegel
Authored by: JeR on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 05:39 AM EDT

Hinzu kommt die seltsame Geheimnistuerei der SCO-Manager. Beweise für den Codeklau lieferten sie der Öffentlichkeit bis heute nicht. Wer sich die vorgeblich kopierten Programmzeilen anschauen will, muss eine Geheimhaltungserklärung unterschreiben. Blepp erklärt dies mit der besonderen Strategie bei Rechtsstreitigkeiten in den USA. "Dort legt man nicht von Anfang an alles auf den Tisch, sondern bringt Argumente und Beweise nach und nach."

as published in Spiegel Online as published on April 13th, 2004.

On top of that comes the peculiar secrecy of SCO's managers. SCO has not offered evidence of the code theft publicly up to now. Whoever wants to look at the allegedly copied lines of code has to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Blepp explains this is part of the special strategy in lawsuits in the USA. "There you don't put all your evidence on the table right from the start, but you add arguments and evidence little by little."

IANALT (I Am Not A Legal Translator)

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False quote?
Authored by: jez_f on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 05:40 AM EDT
IBM falsely states that a Vice President of SCO publicly reported that "SCO's strategy in this case is not to `put everything on the table at the start but instead [to] bring out arguments and evidence piece by piece."'
Hang on, I thought that this was something Darl said (or a reiteration of it). I had a look on the quote DB and can't find it, can anyone else?

Are we going to expect a memorandum in opposition to this, they are laying into IBM here.

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OT - Tanenbaum responds to Ken Brown
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 05:55 AM EDT
http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/brown/rebuttal/

It's an interesting read. I'm am absolutely conviced that Ken Brown is a lier
at heart and a bad person in general. It makes me physically sick to know there
are people like him walking the same earth as I.

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: blacklight on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 07:11 AM EDT
This SCOG pleading is qute a whine: (1) SCOG initially sues IBM based on the
most recent versin of AIX that SCOG has - recall the Darl's account of the
"deep dive" inti AIX code and his statement that SCOG's case is so
strong that it can win its case "even without discovery"; (2) after
two court orders requiring SCOG to show what code is infringing "with
specificity", SCOG comes up with 21000 lines of code without the required
specificity - and this after having received 242 versions of Dynix and AIX.

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Have they finally shot themselves in the head - at last ...
Authored by: Wol on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 07:17 AM EDT

IBM has a different contract interpretation. According to IBM, even though both AIX and Dynix were developed from UNIX System V and include thousands of lines of original UNIX System V code, unless SCO can show that the specific lines of code that IBM contributed to Linux were copied from UNIX System V, SCO cannot establish that IBM breached its contract. IBM's position ignores the fact that it has license agreements with SCO - and the further (also basic) fact that the express terms of such agreements place the owner of the licensed intellectual property in a better position than it would have been in without the agreement. For example, SCO could have sued under the copyright laws to prove literal copying without the agreement, yet IBM says that is all that SCO can do even with the agreement (in fact, on IBM's view of the need to show literal copying, SCO has even fewer rights with the agreement than without it).(15)

This para looks a corker. In it, they seem to state clearly that the contract gives them the right to AIX and Dynix because it contains SysV code, and that they have the right to prevent IBM donating IBM's code to linux.

They even state that for IBM to donate IBM's own code is a breach of copyright outwith the licence agreement!

Maybe now, once SCO's change to the scheduling is dismissed, IBM will use this filing to start slamming in the summary judgements as a matter of contract and law ...

Cheers,
Wol

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 07:27 AM EDT
IBM asks this Court to assume that its refusal to provide the remaining requested versions of its programs has already been held to be proper - and that SCO has been contemptuous in claiming that it needs such material to respond to certain IBM discovery. In fact, to the contrary, the Magistrate Judge's March 3, 2004 Order establishes a now ongoing procedure to give SCO an opportunity to demonstrate that very need - a procedure that would make no sense and not exist if IBM's repeated characterizations of SCO were accurate. (See Section II below).(4)

Didnt the judge slap SCO and tell them they needed to prove they needed any more code before they recived any? They must think that what they write is taken without looking back on the past. I hope today is slap SCO some more day.

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 07:38 AM EDT
I read that to say. SCO has at least tried on this one occasion, but hasnt
completly did what was requested.

Is this the best they can point out?

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Flamewar style
Authored by: risacher on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 08:13 AM EDT
Personally, I like the way that they underline every third word for emphasis. It makes the memo more like USENET post, which has such nostalgia for me. Next time, perhaps, they'll use ALL CAPS, to emphasize things even MORE!

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SCOG doesn't need any more discovery.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 08:23 AM EDT
Why does SCOG keep asking for more discovery? IBM isn't disputing that code
that was in AIX has been contributed to Linux. It seems like SCOG is asking
for evidence to prove what IBM has already admitted. The fundamental
question is whether there was anything wrong with this.

I can see a few reasons they could still want this. A delaying tactic is one
obvious reason. Causing more trouble to IBM is another. More legitimately,
they do want to make sure if this gets to trial that IBM doesn't claim their
statements mean something different.

I think the main strategy here is to have somethiing they can confuse a jury
with. They want to demonstrate that AIX is full of SCOG's code, and hope that
a jury will buy their infectious derivative works claim.

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No Citations?
Authored by: fjaffe on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 08:32 AM EDT
In working on the transcription of this document, I don't recall that SCO
included any citations of other cases which would justify their request for the
delay, or argue directly against the citations that IBM included in their
opposition memorandum.

IANAL, but it seems to me to be fairly basic that if you are arguing for a
delay, you should provide backup of other court cases where the same arguments
were advanced by your opponent, and found to not warrant preventing the granting
of the delay. SCO did not do this. Instead, they merely whined about how they
needed more stuff, and that there were a lot of depositions to be done in a
short amount of time.

The IBM Memorandum (148), FWIW, included references to 5 or 6 other cases.

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 08:40 AM EDT
I can't wait to see what a judge thinks of this steaming pile. The cold sweat is
showing I think.
Graeme, Australia

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 09:19 AM EDT
SCOX argues as children do, trying to leverage a 'maybe' or 'we'll see' into
consent. While SCOX is working this 'good faith' comment for all it worth and
more, here is the part they hope the judge as forgotten.

THE COURT: But the requirement of the Court is that you provide those source
codes.

MR. HEISE: I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding and let me explain
why.

With respect to these other technologies that they have publicly acknowledged
that they have contributed, they have laid out how it is that they have
contributed it, and it was a part of AIX or Dynix, and what they are saying is,
Show us the lines. That is the equivalent of saying I am not going to show you
the book that contains all of these lines of code, therefore, all we can do is
say it is from AIX or Dynix and you have said it is and we have identified how
it is and why we believe it is in fact from AIX or Dynix. But to sit here and
say to us when they have not given us their source code, and their source code
is what is matched up --

THE COURT: This is about your response and compliance with the Court order.

MR. HEISE: I understand that.

We have given the technology based upon the information we have. The answers to
interrogatories that they are complaining say, yes, but for those given
technologies you have not identified the specific lines. What we have said in
our answers to interrogatories is we can't identify those specific lines because
it comes from your confidential code which we don't have access to yet.

THE COURT: Mr. Heise, this is the problem. The problem is that unless you
identify those codes, which was required by the Court order --

MR. HEISE: Which we did.

THE COURT: -- then I.B.M. is not in a position necessarily to respond, the way I
see it. So we are at an impasse and we can't be at an impasse and have the case
remain at a standstill. That is why there is an order in place that SCO has been
required to comply with, so that I might then address what IBM has to comply
with.

MR. HEISE: But I'm trying to stay focussed on our compliance.

I guess maybe a way to explain it, is in the technologies that they have
contributed, let's say in rungs 15 and 16, that is not from us. That is not our
Unix System V code. That is AIX or Dynix. We don't have that source code to be
able to identify the lines, because they are quibbling about the fact that we
have not identified the lines of a couple of technologies. We don't have the
source code for 15 and 16. They do.

If they give it to us we'll supplement if further, but in the absence of that it
is literally impossible to identify the lines. We have identified the
technology, we just cannot identify the lines because we don't have their
derivative modification source code. That is why and that is what I am trying to
get across.

THE COURT: Well, you have made your point, I am just not certain I agree with
it.



Bill Collier

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OT: Somebody wanna explain this?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 09:25 AM EDT

http://www.adti.net /samizdat/open.contradictions.html

I'm hoping that this was just a case of Eric Raymond talking out of his derriere, but it doesn't help now, does it?

Now I know why Ken Brown sent a copy of Samizdat to Eric Raymond. Brown was hoping that Raymond's inevitable diatribe would give him more grist for the mill, see as how Raymond has already provided Brown with at least one juicy quote.

Before you jump up and down on this post: yes, I know that it's entirely possible that Raymond may have not known the whole Linux story when he wrote that Cathedral and the Bazaar quote, but now we can see exactly how Ken's going to try to win this war. He's going to comb through anything that anyone's ever written, split hairs when necessary, and serve them up as gospel.

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Can the judge speed things up?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 09:29 AM EDT

Have you ever watched two people argue and realized that they were talking about two different things without realizing it. They may as well be speaking in different languages because neither one knows what the other is saying.

All this head butting in discovery is pointless unless SCO's unique interpretation of "derivative" is held to be true. I believe it has been contradicted by ATT's public statements and also the contract, but SCO's entire case seems to hang on this.

So, PJ or anybody else out there with knowledge of how the legal system operates: Is it possible for the judge to speed things up by ruling on this?

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Press release disguised as Court Document
Authored by: lightsail on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 09:41 AM EDT
This memorandum looks like a press release, not a court document.

I expect that a one of TSG favorite analysts will be citing this filing as
gospel to show that TSG has the upper hand in these lawsuits. Thus the fud
continues to mount without Darl even calling a press conference.

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Intellectual Property Case?
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 09:51 AM EDT
<<This is a complex intellectual property dispute turning on, among other
things, technical issues about confidential software programs>>

Can't SCO make up their mind as to what the case is about?...Is it a contract
case or IP case?

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Wacko Derived Works theory, again.
Authored by: arch_dude on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 09:55 AM EDT
This may be the first time that SCOG has clearly stated their insane derived
works theory in a document that they have submitted to the court. We were able
to extract this theory from all the surrounding noise in earlier documents, but
it was really difficult.

The theory:
the AT&T contracts with IBM and Sequent require IBM to keep all AIX and
DYNIX/ptx code confidential. SCOG will concede that IBM may own the code that
IBM added to these products, but SCOG still maintains that the contracts require
IBM to keep the code confidential.

I've recently realized that The SCOG interpretation is invalidated by
black-letter law, in addition to being contrary to case law, equity, and common
sense as we have discussed before. The law in question is copyright law.

As we have learned in the Novell case, if you are the owner of a copyright, you
can convey your rights under copyright law only by an explicit and specific
"writing." We have learned that the Novell APA is amost certainly not
such a "writing." In the IBM case, SCOG claims that the AT&T
contract prohibits IBM from controlling the dissemenation of IBM's own
copyrighted code. But such control is the basic right under copyright law, and
cannot be severed except by action of a specific "writing." There is
no way in the world that the AT&T contracts can be construed to meet the
requirement of a specific conveyance of rights under copyright law.

This means that after IBM completely nails down the ownership issue, they can
move for summary judgement on an issue of law rather than of contract
interpretation.

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OT - Brazil's President slams Linux
Authored by: Fractalman on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 10:05 AM EDT
On news.google linux+Brazil I find this
Brazil's President slams Linux
The Inquirer, UK - 7 hours ago
BRAZIL CONTINUES to toe the Microsoft line, and this time its president has launched a stinging attack on Linux. Yesterday theinquirer ...
Then following the link I see this...
By Nick Farrell: Tuesday 08 June 2004, 07:16
THIS STORY has been withdrawn, because it wasn't true. Ed.
Seems to be some cleaning up in the media. :-)

In fact Brazil is supporting Linux. Free Software Use in Brazil Spreads Beyond Gov't while Microsoft Brazil Decries Government Use of Linux.

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 10:10 AM EDT
"AIX is a modification or derivative work based on UNIX System V that IBM
licensed from SCO's predecessor."

I curious to know - when IBM will ask SCO to prove this statement as it (to me
anyways) seems central to the entire case!!

Isn't this the loose thread on SCO's blanket that when tugged eventually
unravels it all? Can SCO prove it is the successor of 'Unix' copyrights? Call me
simple but doesn't IBM file some motion then SCO gets to reply and the Judge can
rule?

Ok - maybe I am too simple :)

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POT. KETTLE. BLACK.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 10:14 AM EDT
I. IBM'S DISCOVERY CONDUCT HAS CAUSED SUBSTANTIAL DELAY AS A MATTER OF
UNDISPUTED RECORD FACT



These guys have balls the size of watermelons! Talk about chutzpah.

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 10:30 AM EDT
"...IBM's pervasive reliance on claims about SCO's 'ulterior' motive in seeking this amendment is plainly inadequate as a matter of legal argument and is otherwise improper."

Not UNTRUE mind you, merely inadequate and improper...

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OT BBC biased?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 10:38 AM EDT
The BBC have done a piece on how Google works link that does not mention Linux at all! I checked the last article that the Beeb did on Google, and that does not mention Linux, but it does mention Microsoft. I feel another letter of complaint coming on;¬)

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 10:41 AM EDT
I Guest that kenneth brown read the Cathedral and the Bazaar and found the
qoute about the Minix code used in Linux and though that it could be used agains
Linux.



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This footnote seems to be the crux of their argument for the derivitive theory
Authored by: mhoyes on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 10:50 AM EDT
In footnote 15 above, it says:
To first get the benefit of the agreement for itself and then place SCO in a position of effectively having no agreement, IBM is (not surprisingly) forced to take extreme and implausible positions. For example, even though the agreement expressly states that IBM may develop "modifications" or "derivative works based on" the licensed UNIX System V, and even though IBM told the world that AIX was such a modification, IBM now refuses even to admit that the very same source code is a derivative or modification of UNIX. Similarly, the protected subject matter of the agreement is defined as the unitary "software product," and while the agreement allows IBM to create modifications and derivative works based on that "software product," it requires IBM to restrict its uses of those modifications and derivatives in all of the ways that uses of the original "software product" would be restricted.

IBM will therefore, for example, be forced to argue that its source code, AIX, which it always treated as a single "software product" and sold to customers as a single "software product," is in fact not a single "software product" after all, but instead an aggregation of countless stand alone "sub-products," all somehow "tied" together in ways IBM has not previously explained to its customers.

This seems to be saying that because AIX is sold under the name "AIX", then it must all be one thing. Now, IANAL, but didn't Microsoft try to do something along these lines when trying to say that the browser was part of the OS, and the media player, etc?

It appears to me, that the AIX OS is a modular object. That the core of it was based on the Unix code, and then additional modules were "bolted" on to it. SCO's argument would seem to indicate that as soon as a company attaches a module, it becomes an immutable piece of the whole and is no longer recognized as a module.

Any thoughts on this?

meh

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 11:25 AM EDT
17. IBM's multipart Interrogatory Nos. 15 and 16 would require SCO to provide
the genealogy - over a 20 year period - for each of over 240,000 lines of source
code on a line-by line basis. At 10 minutes per line, it would take someone over
20 years to respond to these two interrogatories.
----

I hope the judge can do better math than SCO.

While it is true that:
240,000 lines x 10 min/line = 2,400,000 minutes.
2,400,000 minutes / 60 minutes/hr = 40000 hours
40000 hours / 40 hours a week = 1000 weeks
1000 weeks / 52 weeks produces 19.230... years

2 things SCO failes to take into account... First, line by line seems to be not
how this analysis would go, because IF lines were copied they would have been
copied in working chunks. Second, I am guessing SCO has more than one person
capable of doing this type of work.

So lets couple it.... being very generous I assume here that only two lines are
copied at the same time each time.

That means 240,000 lines / (sets of 2) = 120,000
120,000 x 10 minutes each = 1,200,000
1,200,000 / 60 min/hr = 20000 hrs
20000 hrs / 40hrs/week = 500 weeks
500 weeks/ 52 weeks/year =9.615..
9.615 / 2 people = 4 years.

What a difference (~15 years)...

Anyone know how many employees SCO has with such expertise?

Anyone know how many lines the average function in Linux takes?

Here's the calculation again assuming 5 lines each function and 10 employees at
SCO who are able bodied:

240,000 lines / 5 line chunks = 48000
48000 chunks / 10 chunks/minute = 4800
4800 minutes / 60 min/hr = 80 hrs.
80hrs / 10 people = 8 hrs = 1 day

That is, if 10 people worked on it -- and chucks were only 5 lines average ---
it should take 1 day for SCO to do what they say will take 20 years.

I hope the judge took some math classes at law school.

-
David Taylor

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: blacklight on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 11:35 AM EDT
"But IBM also did not provide SCO with any versions until March, 2004, and
SCO could not try to make the detailed and specific showing of its need for
these other versions - which it has now submitted - until it received at least
one version of AIX from IBM"

However, the Darl made a public statement in June 2003 - I think, that he had
three teams make "a deep dive" into Unixware, Linux AND AIX code and
found a mountain of violations. So SCOG's statement is above is contradictory,
to say the least.

I note that the 900000 lines of IBM code that SCOG alleged were in violation
when SCOG had a single version of AIX in hand shrank to a max of 21000 lines of
code after IBM handed over its 242 published versions of Dynix and AIX.

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more fun math
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 11:36 AM EDT
240000 lines / .75 (assuming ¼ are blank) = 180000
180000 / 10 line chunks = 18000 x 10 minutes chuck = 18000
18000 / 60 min/hr = 3000hrs
3000 / 40 hrs/wk = 75 weeks
75 weeks / 20 people = 3.75 weeks

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: drh on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 11:43 AM EDT
I can't even begin to think where to start ripping this
particular waste of dead tree apart at, but here are a few
things:

SCO has admitted in this document that they had
insufficient grounds to terminate IBMs license. They write
that their actions were based on IBMs public comments
about donating AIX code. Yet SCO does not want their own
public statements held against them (re: Blepp, Darl,
etc). They also admit that they do not, and did not, have
the source code to AIX that they claimed (yes, in public)
they compared against Linux to find instances of copying.
If this is what they based their lawsuit on, they could be
found guilty of at least malfeasance<sp?>.

But this quote was a beauty:

"17. IBM's multipart Interrogatory Nos. 15 and 16 would
require SCO to provide the genealogy - over a 20 year
period - for each of over 240,000 lines of source code on
a line-by line basis. At 10 minutes per line, it would
take someone over 20 years to respond to these two
interrogatories. "

Firstly, they should be performing the exact same process
for ALL versions of AIX, Dynix, and Linux covering at
least 10 years of time in order to prove copying. This
amounts to significantly more that 240,000 lines of code.
So if they cannot do it with their own code, how can they
competently perform this task on others code? The answer
is, they cannot.

Secondly, "UNIX" is not the sole property of SCO, and has
a very mottled and unique history. There have been many
contributions by different authors over a great span of
time. For SCO to prevail, it must prove that the code in
question does indeed belong to them, and not to one of the
other contributors.

Finally, this really goes to the heart of the "derived
works" problem. If SCO decides to sue on the derived code,
they are in serious trouble because ALL of Sys5 is derived
from earlier versions of various flavors of "UNIX", much
of which is either public domain or BSD licensed. Fighting
the Derived code issue will kill all of SCOs product
lines.


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Abstract of SCOG's reply, with my comments
Authored by: Thomas Frayne on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 11:58 AM EDT
This comment contains an abstract of SCOG's reply to IBM's statement in
opposition to the scheduling motion, together with my comments, labeled [TF:].


PRELIMINARY STATEMENT

This limited amendment is necessary, in part, because IBM did not begin to
produce crucial discovery, including any versions of its confidential operating
system known as AIX ... until late March of this year. ... SCO is following the
procedures established by the Magistrate Judge in March to obtain this
discovery. Nevertheless, the record shows that SCO has acted with full diligence
and has been found to have complied with its obligations in "good
faith."

[TF:] Good faith is repeatedly claimed, as is the discovery procedure, but SCOG
is not showing good faith, and is mis-describing the discovery procedure.


...

SCO has identified a great deal of specific code that SCO expressly contends IBM
misused in violation of its contract with SCO (See Section I below);
* Magistrate Judge found ... that SCO in dealing with discovery has acted in
"good faith" ...
* IBM asks this Court to assume that SCO was sanctioned with a stay of
discovery ... In fact, the record plainly shows that the discovery stay was
imposed because each side claimed it needed more discovery ...
* IBM asks the Court to assume that none of its conduct caused substantial
delay. In fact, ... SCO finally obtained its first access to any usable version
of ... AIX source code in late March of this year ...
* IBM asks this Court to assume that ... SCO has been contemptuous in
claiming that it needs such material ... In fact, ... the ... March 3, 2004
Order establishes a now ongoing procedure to give SCO an opportunity to
demonstrate that very need ...

IBM falsely states that a Vice President of SCO publicly reported that
"SCO's strategy in this case is not to `put everything on the table at the
start but instead [to] bring out arguments and evidence piece by piece."'
... the statement made in a German magazine was not a statement about SCO's
"strategy in this case," but rather was an explanation of "the
particular way litigation is conducted in the United States," as opposed to
Europe, and a clarification as to why confidentiality agreements are needed in
the United States prior to viewing evidence. ...

[TF:] A lame excuse.


I. IBM'S DISCOVERY CONDUCT HAS CAUSED SUBSTANTIAL DELAY AS A MATTER OF
UNDISPUTED RECORD FACT

...

IBM has substantially delayed production of its AIX and Dynix source code, which
is at the heart of this case. ... IBM failed to produce even a single line of
code from either AIX or Dynix between June 24, 2003 and December 4, 2003. On
that date, ... IBM finally produced two CDs containing limited versions of
Dynix. ...


IBM claimed in August 2003 that it had to delay production of this code due to a
need to obtain third-party consents, but IBM waited until October 2003, before
even seeking these approvals. After hearing argument on SCO's motion to compel,
on March 3, 2004, Magistrate Judge Wells, as part of an overall Order lifting a
temporary discovery stay, also issued a specific numbered directive requiring
that IBM finally produce at least some versions of AIX code (and additional
Dynix code).(10) On March 4, 2004, almost nine months after SCO originally
requested its production, SCO finally received limited versions of AIX and
additional Dynix source code ...

[TF:] IBM had no obligation to send anything to SCOG between December 5 and
April 19. IBM was ordered to produce the discovery on April 19 that it had
offered to produce in about two weeks on February 6, and that did not include
the vast bulk of what SCOG requested. IBM sent the response containing
everything ordered in March, weeks ahead of schedule.


IBM's delays were not limited to its source code. ... Sam Palmisano ... among
the documents IBM did not produce was a ten-page memo to IBM's senior management
concerning IBM's decision to embrace Linux. ... SCO was aware of this document
only because IBM provided a copy of it to The New York Times.

[TF:] So SCOG claims that it has no access to The New York Times. Discovery is
supposed to find evidence for your side that would be easy for the opponent to
find and difficult for you to find.


IBM needlessly delayed other discovery. When SCO produced CDs, it did so with
the necessary document breaks to facilitate electronic review, IBM did not. ...

[TF:] SCOG produced hard copy that they expected IBM to transcribe.


C. Witnesses

IBM's approach to witnesses has not been different. ... IBM responded both
over-inclusively and under-inclusively, providing a list of over 7,200 current
and former IBM employees only while listing no third parties. ... excluded IBM's
CEO Sam Palmisano and Irving Wladawsky-Berger, ... IBM did not even provide the
most basic information ... not even telephone numbers and addresses.

[TF:] The additional information was required by court order to be provided only
for the most important witnesses.


... Judge Wells ordered IBM to provide the requested information for "1,000
representative witnesses" ... when SCO sent a request ...IBM ... refused to
provide the contact information for over half of these additional witnesses
claiming they did not appear on IBM's lists of witnesses even though their names
were drawn from IBM's own source log of people from whom IBM was producing
documents.

[TF:] What is this about?


D. IBM's Claim That It May Withhold Most Versions Of The Source Code At Issue
Has Not Been Upheld And Is The Subject Of A Now Pending Review Process Expressly
Established By The Magistrate Judge

... March 3, 2004 Order expressly establishes a now ongoing procedure to give
SCO an opportunity to demonstrate its need for the remaining versions of AIX and
Dynix. Specifically, in addition to ordering IBM to finally produce at least
some limited versions of the source code (so that SCO by late March 2004 at
least had more than zero versions), the Order sets up a procedure pursuant to
which "SCO is to provide additional memoranda" explaining its need for
the versions IBM refuses to provide at all. The "Court will then consider
ordering IBM to produce more code from AIX and Dynix." ... If IBM were
correct that SCO was engaging in "misconduct" for disagreeing with
IBM, then this entire procedure ... would make no sense.

[TF:] SCOG mischaracterizes the procedure to get an excuse for its misconduct.
The misconduct was defying orders to produce several significant items in two
court orders that required no further input from IBM for SCOG to produce (see
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040601110229939#c148103 ). The
procedure was to start after SCOG had fully complied, as far as possible without
further discovery, with the two court orders, which it has not done yet.


II. IBM'S DESCRIPTIONS OF SCO'S DISCOVERY CONDUCT ARE DEMONSTRABLY INACCURATE

A. IBM's False Claim That SCO "Still" Will Not Identify The Code That
SCO Claims That IBM Misused In Violation of its License

According to IBM, SCO has engaged in "discovery misconduct" and
"malfeasance" because, "in disregard of two court Orders, SCO
still refuses to identify the specific code from UNIX System V that IBM is
claimed to have misused...." ... SCO has in fact provided voluminous
materials to IBM showing the precise restricted code that IBM took from AIX and
Dynix and contributed to Linux in violation of its contractual promises. ...

[TF:] Voluminous materials that evaded the important questions. IBM is right.


IBM's claim that SCO has not identified code IBM misused is nothing more than a
request that the Court simply assume that IBM is right about a central,
contested merits issue in the case. IBM entered into a contract ... which
required it to maintain "confidential" and not to transfer "in
whole or in part" any UNIX source code it received under the license, as
well as any "modification" or "derivative works based on"
that software. (See, e.g., Software Agreement, ¶¶ 2.01, 7.10). Since IBM's
versions of UNIX, which are known as AIX and Dynix, are - by definition -
"modifications" and/or "derivative" works based on UNIX
System V, the code contained in either AIX or Dynix must be maintained
"confidential" and "may not be disposed of, in whole or in
part." ... Therefore, IBM's public statements that it "dumped"
substantial amounts of code from AIX and Dynix into Linux, which is available
for free download on the internet, confirm a clear, material breach of IBM's
license. SCO must prove that IBM contributed code from AIX and Dynix to Linux to
establish liability.

[TF:] The court order specified the code in SysV that IBM is claimed to have
misused, as well as the code in SysV that is claimed to be in AIX. The court
did not ask about theories of contract.


... According to IBM, even though both AIX and Dynix were developed from UNIX
System V and include thousands of lines of original UNIX System V code, unless
SCO can show that the specific lines of code that IBM contributed to Linux were
copied from UNIX System V, SCO cannot establish that IBM breached its contract.
IBM's position ignores the fact that it has license agreements ... and the ...
fact that the express terms ... place the owner ... in a better position than it
would have been in without the agreement. ... on IBM's view of the need to show
literal copying, SCO has even fewer rights with the agreement than without it).
...

Many of the discovery disputes in this case have arisen from this fundamental
disagreement. ...

[TF:] Right, but more are about SCOG's defiance of court orders.


IBM claims ... that SCO could respond to all discovery without this additional
information, and that SCO is guilty of "malfeasance" for disagreeing
with IBM. IBM does not disclose that the Magistrate Judge has already set up a
specific process to consider SCO's "good faith" efforts to comply with
all discovery without such information ... That process is now ongoing and may
well itself not be completed ... until sometime later this summer... IBM's
opposition to SCO's motion to amend the scheduling order asks the Court to
preempt and render meaningless the Magistrate Judge's ... procedure ...

[TF:] SCOG's disagreement with IBM is beside the point; SCOG defied two court
orders. "good faith" and "procedure" have already been
discussed.


IBM's repeated claims that SCO has engaged in discovery "misconduct"
are directly contradicted both by the Magistrate Judge's recent "good
faith" finding and the record that details SCO's extensive discovery
productions in this case. IBM has not hesitated to attempt to impose burdens of
the most extraordinary type - for example - two recent discovery requests [145]
whose responses are being served on IBM today (interrogatory nos. 15 and 16),
would by their express terms require 20 person years of effort to prepare a
response. ... SCO has exhaustively complied, and continues to comply, with its
discovery obligations in this case. ... SCO has produced 241 CDs containing
approximately 1.5 million pages of documents, and has produced all of the source
code for its products in its possession, which exceeds over 700 million lines of
code demanded by IBM.

[TF:] The way SCOG responds, they could do it in a week: just list all the lines
in all the files. Of course, it wouldn't be responsive.


B. IBM's Claims About SCO's Trade Secret Count

...

IBM inaccurately points to the Magistrate Judge's imposition of a
"stay" as ... sanction against SCO. (See IBM Br. at 6). ... the
parties had a dispute concerning which party should provide discovery first ...
SCO ... needed IBM's AIX and Dynix code prior to providing its analysis ... the
Magistrate Judge required SCO to respond and "postponed all other
discovery," so that SCO could produce the discovery it was capable of
producing. ... the Magistrate Judge also gave SCO the opportunity to file an
Affidavit detailing why it could not provide discovery ... Nothing in the record
supports IBM's claim that the stay of discovery was a punitive measure or
sanction against SCO.

[TF:] That stay excused IBM from sending anything to SCOG from December 5 to
April 19, a period when SCOG was twice ordered to send IBM full responses. IBM
was right.


In sum, the record, including the Magistrate Judge's finding of good faith and
the now ongoing Magistrate-established-procedure, make clear that SCO has acted
with diligence. IBM's inaccurate invective should not deprive SCO of its right
to engage in effective discovery on its claims.

[TF:] Yada Yada


III. IBM DOES NOT DISPUTE THAT ITS NUMEROUS COUNTERCLAIMS WERE NOT CONTEMPLATED
BY THE SCHEDULING ORDER AND ADDED A SUBSTANTIAL BURDEN

... the addition of 14 counterclaims to a schedule that could not have been
designed to accommodate them created great burdens that ultimately contributed
to SCO's need for an amendment of the scheduling order. IBM does not dispute
that the original scheduling order was based solely on the complaint, and that
it was designed without the benefit of any of IBM's counterclaims - in fact,
without even any discussion of such claims. Nor does IBM dispute that these
claims entailed very substantial incremental work.

[TF:] The counterclaims were long anticipated, and there has been nine months
since most of them were filed, a period in which SCOG did not bother to ask for
more time, until now.


Instead, IBM relies almost entirely on the argument that the impact of its 14
counterclaims should not count because "almost all of its
counterclaims" have been pending for approximately nine months. ... the
fact that these broad patent claims have been pending during this nine-month
period ... has unavoidably contributed to SCO's present need for more time.

[TF:] Should have asked earlier.


IBM also uses its Opposition to focus on its admittedly
"recently-filed" declaratory judgment copyright counterclaim. That
counterclaim seeks a declaration that none of any of IBM's
"Linux-related" activities or uses infringes any SCO copyright. ...
IBM contends that this counterclaim does not add broad, new and unmanageable
issues to the present case.(20) This is in fact one of the central issues
presented by SCO's motion to dismiss or stay IBM's Tenth Counterclaim,...

[TF:] IBM is seeking to reduce the broad issues introduced by SCOG by getting a
declaratory judgment, thus speeding up the lawsuit.


IV. SCO HAS DEMONSTRATED GOOD CAUSE TO AMEND THE SCHEDULING ORDER

... The amendment SCO seeks will result in a similar schedule, despite the fact
that since the scheduling order was entered, IBM has asserted 14 separate
counterclaims.

[TF:] The need for additional time will be eliminated by granting the
declaratory judgment.


...

Besides the impossible deposition schedule, another illustrative hurdle facing
SCO is that, contrary to IBM's recent supplemental filings, SCO still has not
received responses to information requested in June 2003. For example, SCO still
has not received ... the identification of the precise contributions of each of
the hundreds or thousands of persons involved in the creation of AIX. IBM's ...
makes the incorrect statement that the precise contributions of the individuals
identified can be ascertained "from the products themselves." ...

[TF:] Information that the judge explicitly excused IBM from producing until
SCOG had fully complied with the two court orders.


SCO also must contend with a variety of other complicating factors. For example,
SCO needs other (historical) versions of IBM programs to demonstrate alternative
bases for showing derivation from UNIX System V. IBM has claimed that SCO must
make such showings, but IBM also refuses to provide SCO with the discovery
needed to make such showings. As noted, the Magistrate Judge has provided SCO
with the opportunity to demonstrate the nature of its need for the information
IBM refuses to provide. SCO has now provided a detailed memorandum demonstrating
this need. SCO did so after making every effort to do without such other
versions of the IBM programs, which, as described in these submissions, SCO was
ultimately not able to do until it received at least some versions of the code
in March.(21)

[TF:] Information that the judge explicitly excused IBM from producing until
SCOG had fully complied with the two court orders.


There are, of course, other hurdles and impediments SCO has incurred and would
face under IBM's proffered schedules. But SCO has established specific, concrete
bases that are independently sufficient to show why it needs the additional time
requested. Given those concrete and detailed showings of legitimate need and
prior diligence by SCO, IBM's pervasive reliance on claims about SCO's
"ulterior" motive in seeking this amendment is plainly inadequate as a
matter of legal argument and is otherwise improper.

[TF:] IBM is right.


...

1.

AIX is a modification or derivative work based on UNIX System V that IBM
licensed from SCO's predecessor.

[TF:] Predecessor? All of AIX?


2.

SCO's task of correcting IBM's pervasive deployment of invective, and
showing how the record contradicts such claims, unavoidably requires more space
than would have been needed if the focus could have been maintained on the
parties' respective views as to the practical issues raised by the present
motion.

[TF:] OK. You got your permission for a long reply.


...

4.

As a general matter, the picture IBM presents bears little relation to
what is actually happening in discovery: IBM is over 1000 times the size of SCO,
yet it has produced far less information and documents than SCO. IBM has also
had six months to analyze SCO's production while SCO has had less than half that
time to analyze IBM's production. Is it any wonder that IBM is resisting a
motion that will provide SCO with an adequate opportunity to prosecute its case
and defend against IBM's counterclaims?

[TF:] Far more responsive information.


5.

IBM similarly mischaracterizes the status of discovery generally. For
example, although it firmly argues that its three patent claims (which SCO has
moved to sever) should remain part of the case, it represents to the Court that
all document discovery in the entire case is essentially complete and that
depositions will require no more than two months to complete. In fact, as to
IBM's patent claims, IBM has not produced a single document. Indeed, SCO's
response to IBM's document request is not due until mid June of this year.

[TF:] We'll have to comment after we know what IBM requested.


...


10.

As further discussed in Section II below, the Magistrate Judge did not
indicate that she was staying discovery as a sanction against SCO. Rather, she
"postpone[d]" additional discovery by either party until SCO could
complete the discovery of which it was capable before considering SCO's motions
to compel. ... the Magistrate Judge's ... Order not only lifted the stay
generally, but also added a specific, numbered directive granting relief
requested in SCO's motion to compel, it also ordered IBM to produce the central
source code which it had failed to produce prior to that date.

[TF:] Already discussed.


11.

This document, and others like it, were produced to SCO only after
Magistrate Judge Wells ordered its production. Thus, its omission from IBM's
production could not have been the result of a clerical error.

[TF:] True but misleading. I have already discussed this point.


...

13.

SCO has worked hard, and expended substantial time and resources, in an
effort to find ways of answering certain of IBM's discovery requests without
access to the non-public information IBM has long declined to provide. But SCO
has been unable to completely do so. SCO has now submitted ... the memorandum
contemplated by the March 3, 2004 Order explaining its need for the requested
information.

[TF:] This is a lie. The record shows that SCOG defied two court orders by
withholding information that the court specifically ordered, and that it was
required to have before filing the lawsuit.


14.

SCO has provided dozens of detailed examples of the code IBM copied from
AIX and Dynix into Linux and discusses the significance of these contributions.
When IBM provided code in March, SCO identified further instances of IBM's
contributions of AIX and Dynix to Linux. ...

[TF:] Maybe IBM has seen them. I haven't.


... SCO produced approximately 50 CDs containing source code for System V
and UnixWare, ... SCO supplemented its response ... by producing approximately
54 CDs ... SCO also then responded ... by producing ... an additional 54 source
code CDs ... SCO produced approximately 82 CDs ... SCO identified specific lines
of source code that IBM contributed to Linux. SCO's ability to identify
additional lines of code was hampered by IBM's refusal to provide AIX source
code. When IBM finally produced additional versions of AIX and Dynix code ...,
SCO identified additional examples of improper copying of AIX and Dynix into
Linux in SCO's April 19, 2004 response.

[TF:] None of it responsive to the main questions the court ordered SCOG to
answer.


15.

... IBM now refuses even to admit that the very same source code [AIX] is
a derivative or modification of UNIX. Similarly, the protected subject matter of
the agreement is defined as the unitary "software product," and while
the agreement allows IBM to create modifications and derivative works based on
that "software product," it requires IBM to restrict its uses of those
modifications and derivatives in all of the ways that uses of the original
"software product" would be restricted.

[TF:] IBM is right. SCOG misquotes the agreement.


... IBM will ... argue that its source code, AIX, ... is in fact not a single
"software product" ..., but instead an aggregation of countless stand
alone "sub-products," all somehow "tied" together in ways
IBM has not previously explained to its customers.

[TF:] I think IBM's argument will be more substantial than this.


16.

This discovery ... would allow SCO to show additional transfers of AIX and
Dynix to Linux. It is essential to allowing SCO to show the derivation of Linux
from System V through the evolution of intermediate versions of AIX and Dynix.
...

[TF:] It is not essential. SCOG has Linux and SysV. When its rocket scientists
found a million lines of copied code in Linux, they should have specified which
lines of Linux were copied from which lines of SysV. If they can find some more
lines by looking at AIX and Dynix, that's gravy.


17.

IBM's multipart Interrogatory ... would require SCO to provide the
genealogy ... for each of over 240,000 lines of source code on a line-by line
basis. At 10 minutes per line, it would take someone over 20 years to respond to
these two interrogatories.

[TF:] SCOG would just say that all lines were in the genealogy. No problem.


18.

As a purely factual matter, IBM's interrogatories, for example, were not
confined to trade secrets; rather, the questions asked for "trade secrets
and any confidential or proprietary information," which also would
encompass items IBM was required to maintain in confidence pursuant to the
license agreement and which SCO has identified.

[TF:] Huh?


19.

... Judge Wells began the hearing stating that it was her intention to
require SCO to respond and "otherwise postpone all other discovery until
such filings have been [made] and compliance has been achieved." ... The
March 3, 2004 Order then reflects Magistrate Judge Well's conclusion that SCO
had acted in "good faith" ... despite the problems SCO had initially
raised in December 2003 ... - the problems created by IBM's own discovery
conduct and decisions. ... Judge Wells -- in the same March 3, 2004 Order
lifting the stay that "postpone[d]" discovery - also included a
specific, numbered directive requiring IBM to finally provide at least some
versions of its AIX program and established a procedure allowing SCO to show why
it needed other versions ...

[TF:] Notice how SCOG skips over "and compliance has been achieved".
SCOG has not complied, but want the advantage of a procedure that does not start
until compliance has been achieved.


20.

It is just common sense that IBM's claim would add new ... issues to the
case. ... SCO has not sued IBM in its capacity as an end-user of Linux. It has
sued IBM because of facts specific to IBM, not because of facts that IBM shares
in common with countless other entities.

[TF:] IBM sued SCOG to get a court order that SCOG's public statements were
false.


21.

... IBM contends that SCO was effectively in contempt for disagreeing with
IBM. But IBM also did not provide SCO with any versions until March, 2004, and
SCO could not try to make the detailed and specific showing of its need for
these other versions - which it has now submitted - until it received at least
one version of AIX from IBM.


[TF:] IBM sent all versions required by the court weeks before the deadline.
SCOG is still trying to get a procedure started before the starting condition is
satisfied.




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OT - BayStar's opinion about SCO investment
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 11:59 AM EDT
Was it already sent here? Baystar's opinion

Mr. Goldfarb's fund, BayStar, invested last October in a private placement of convertible preferred stock in the SCO Group, a technology company. A few months later, BayStar demanded its money back in a dispute over how SCO's management was handling litigation related to its interest in the Unix operating system. SCO's stock has fallen 75 percent since BayStar's investment, although Mr. Goldfarb said his loss was much smaller. "This is a lesson in why a smart investor would hedge their Pipe investment," he said. On Tuesday, SCO agreed to redeem BayStar's convertible preferred stock, which had a face value of $40 million, for a mixture of cash and common shares. In return, the fund agreed to certain restrictions on selling the stock.

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Complex IP Case vs Simple Contract Case
Authored by: moogy on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 12:23 PM EDT
"This is a complex intellectual property dispute ..."

SCOG dropped the Trade Secrets portion of their claims.
SCOG never added their promissed copyright claims.
SCOG has no patent claims.

In response to IBM, they have said this is, and ONLY
is, a breach of contract case,

Where is their "complex IP dispute"?

They can't have it both ways, arguing that it's a complex
IP case one time and arguing it's only a contract case
other times.

---
Mike Tuxford - irc.fdfnet.net #Groklaw
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win -Gandhi

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: overshoot on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 12:27 PM EDT
its confidential operating system known as AIX - a program concededly central to this case

Hold it right there -- IBM has, as far as I am aware, never conceded anything of the sort. IBM has until now advanced no theories of any sort, merely asked what the stink SCOX is on about. IBM has, however, insisted that SCOX back up its claims of having "intellectual property" in Linux that can be enforced against third parties such as Autozone.

IBM, to the extent that they've conceded anything, have stipulated that there is SysV code in AIX and that there is AIX code which was contributed to Linux. To the extent that SCOX has been pinned down admitting their "creative" theory on derivative works and the AT&T contract, this should be enough.

In the context of copyright law, AIX is quite irrelevant. Either way, there's no need for SCOX to spend months digging around in AIX -- which is thus just the opposite of "central."

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SCO vs IBM irc style:
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 12:31 PM EDT
I know this is off topic, but I felt like writing it :P, inspired by the one
done with redhat/fedora :P


--- Caldera joins chat ----
<Caldera> We love linux
<OSS Community> Cool we love linux too
<Caldera> Lets merge Linux and Unix
<OSS Community> Oooo aaaah!
<Caldera> :'( Monetry failed
<OSS Community> You still have Linux!
<Caldera> True
--- Caldera changes nick to SCOG ---
<SCOG>We have changed our name
<OSS Community> Why?
<SCOG>Cuz its better and we're in the shit
<OSS Community> OK...
<SCOG>We love linux
<OSS Community> You said so already, but glad you do
<SCOG>We love Unix more than Linux
<OSS Community> *confused* We thought you wanted to merge...
<SCOG>We do!
<OSS Community> Cool!
<SCOG> Darl: Linux will eat your brain
<OSS Community> We thought you loved Linux?!
<SCOG> Huh? We never said that!
<OSS Community> [quote] <SCOG>We love linux [/quote]
<SCOG> That was ages ago
<OSS Community> But you said it
<SCOG> Yes, but Linux is stealing from us
<OSS Community> Really?
<SCOG> Darl: Yes, you are all theives!
<OSS Community> No we aren't!
<SCOG> Yes you are! IBM stole our code and put it in Linux!
<OSS Community> Prove it!
<SCOG> No!
--- IBM joins chat ----
<IBM> Whats up?
<OSS Community> IBM, SCOG says you stole code
<IBM> Huh?
<OSS Community> Yeah, thats what they said
<IBM> SCOG is this true
<SCOG> You are a bunch of slags IBM!
<IBM> Huh? What did we do?
<SCOG> You stole our code!
<IBM> What code did we steal?
<SCOG> You stole System V from us!
<IBM> And did what with it?
<SCOG> Put it in Linux!
<IBM> Put what in Linux?
<SCOG> Our code!
<IBM> No we didn't!
<SCOG> Lier, Lier pants on fire!
<OSS Community> Show us the code
--- SCOG Legal ---
<SCOG Legel> You want to see the code?
<OSS Community + IBM> YES!
<SCOG Legal> You have to sign a NDA!
<OSS Community> Why?
<SCOG Legal> Because you will steal more of our code!
<OSS Community> No we won't!
--- SCOG Legel + SCOG: IGNORES OSS Community ---
<OSS Community> Huh?
<IBM> They are not listening to you
<OSS Community> :(
<SCOG> IBM you have 100 days to fix this, but we are not going to tell you
what to fix
<IBM> We didn't do anything, go suck eggs SCOG!
<SCOG> We have fouund millions of lines of code in linux that is ours!
<Oss Community> Prove it
--- SCOG ignores OSS Community ---
--- SCOG sues IBM for loads of cash ---
--- Novell Joins chats ---
<Novell> Whats up guys?
<SCOG> They stole our code!
<Novell> Who?
<SCOG> IBM!
<Novell> No they didn't
<SCOG> Yes they did!
<Novell> Its not your code
<SCOG> Yes it is
<Novell> No it isn't!
<SCOG> I'm warning you!
---- Novell waives SCOG's rights ----
<SCOG> Novell you can't do that
<Novell> Yes we can
<SCOG> No you can't we bought that code fair and square
<Novell> No you didn't, you pay us roylaties to sublicense it!
<SCOG> But its our code
<Novell> Shut up!
--- SCOG sues Novell for slander ---
<SCOG Legel> Yeah you know it, we're gonna kick your ass!
<SCOG> Yeah!
--- Judge joins the chat ---
<Judge> whats going on?
<SCOG Legal> They stole SCOG's code!
<IBM> Legal: No we didn't
<Judge> SCO can you prove this?
<SCOG> We need IBM's code to prove that they stole from us
<Judge> But you said that you had proof
<SCOG> Yes but we need IBM's code
<IBM> ??
<Judge> Show IBM the code and I will make IBM show you their code.
<SCOG> OK no problem
--- Days later ---
<Judge> IBM did SCOG give you the code?
<IBM> No!
<SCOG Legal> We couldn't
<Judge> Why not?
<SCOG Legal> Christmas holidays
--- SCOG sues everyone ---
<SCOG> We need more time with IBM's code
<IBM> Why?
<SCOG> Because you are delaying us
<IBM> How??????
<SCOG> You just are!
<Judge> I have a headache!
<IBM> /kick SCO
---- IBM you don't have ops! ---
<IBM> Figures....

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OT: SCO loses another account - 2048 sites no longer using SCO
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 12:40 PM EDT
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/007200406081615.htm

Chennai-based Accel ICIM had recently helped Life Insurance Corporation (LIC)
to
migrate from SCO Unix to Linux on all its 2048 branches
across the country for
customer facing applications.

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The Problem is SCO's Selective Hearing
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 12:57 PM EDT
According to IBM, SCO has engaged in "discovery misconduct" and "malfeasance" because, "in disregard of two court Orders, SCO still refuses to identify the specific code from UNIX System V that IBM is claimed to have misused...." (See IBM Br. at 2-3, 11). IBM's invective is inaccurate. SCO has in fact provided voluminous materials to IBM showing the precise restricted code that IBM took from AIX and Dynix and contributed to Linux in violation of its contractual promises.

It's obvious, just from their own filing as listed above. The judge and IBM want a listing of System V code that IBM has supposedly taken and illegally placed into Linux. This requires nothing from IBM, as SCO has both System V and Linux already. SCO keeps talking about AIX and Dynix, which have nothing to do with the request, and keep asking for delays when in fact they need nothing from IBM to answer the request.

If SCO wants to claim that they have rights over AIX and Dynix from how the contract is worded, fine. There doesn't need to be any SysV code in Linux for SCO to do that. Just please, Darl, please, quit wasting our time with this nonsense and get on with it.

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OT: new First Monday paper re ADTI
Authored by: futureweaver on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 01:15 PM EDT

First Monday has an interesting new paper called "Evolution of the Linux Credits file: Methodological challenges and reference data for Open Source research". A draft of this was used by ADTI to support their report. The author of the First Monday paper has, unsurprisingly, joined the ever-growing list of those publicly disavowing ADTI's constructive misinterpretation ot their work.

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OT: When is the hearing?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 01:46 PM EDT
And is anyone going?

MSS

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Can I sue as long as I want under any braindamaged "theory"?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 01:58 PM EDT
<<This discovery would serve several legitimate and indeed critical
purposes. It would allow SCO to show additional transfers of AIX and Dynix to
Linux. It is essential to allowing SCO to show the derivation of Linux from
System V through the evolution of intermediate versions of AIX and Dynix. Each
of these are ways to win under the contract, and SCO will establish other ways.
SCO is entitled to the proof it needs to proceed under these (and other)
theories.>>

I mean, can't the judge decide that a theory is bullshit and stop that short?

The theory here is of course that SCO owns control rights over all code that
ever was seen next to code that was ever seen next to code that was ever seen
somewhere on the same harddisk or tape as SYS-V code. To prove this chain they
need all the intermediate versions and full access to all version control
systems that ever contained AIX code.

Can't a judge decide here and now: "Even if that chain would exist it would
mean nothing to the case, so we don't need to look for it?"

To me, it looks extremely inefficient that the judge doesn't decide early over
which theories are valid and then decides what discovery is relevant to the
valid theories.

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SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO AMEND SCHEDULING ORDER - as text
Authored by: GLJason on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 02:08 PM EDT
According to IBM, SCO has engaged in "discovery misconduct" and "malfeasance" because, "in disregard of two court Orders, SCO still refuses to identify the specific code from UNIX System V that IBM is claimed to have misused...." (See IBM Br. at 2-3, 11). IBM's invective is inaccurate. SCOX has in fact provided voluminous materials to IBM showing the precise restricted code that IBM took from AIX and Dynix and contributed to Linux in violation of its contractual promises.(14)
Excuse me, but IBM's discovery requests don't have to deal solely with SCOX's contract interpretation. If SCOX has the right to get discovery in order to support their twisted interpretation of the contract, then surely IBM has the right to discovery in order to support their interpretation. The discovery requests and court orders specifically demand that SCOX show what lines of UNIX SYSV have been misused.
... and the further (also basic) fact that the express terms of such agreements place the owner of the licensed intellectual property in a better position than it would have been in without the agreement. For example, SCO could have sued under the copyright laws to prove literal copying without the agreement, yet IBM says that is all that SCO can do even with the agreement (in fact, on IBM's view of the need to show literal copying, SCO has even fewer rights with the agreement than without it).(15)
"even fewer rights with the agreement than without it."? What the heck does that mean? The agreement is about IBM's rights to use UNIX source code and create derivative works. It gives IBM the right to use those derivative works in certain ways. Isn't that what license agreements are normally about, giving one party license to do things with the other party's property since they are paying money for those rights? SCOX seems to think that the license agreement is all about protecting SCOX's intellectual property. If that is the case, it isn't a valid contract because IBM doesn't get anything out of it. The license agreement only protects the intellecutal property that is being licensed. IBM did not sign away rights to the derivative works they created. What IBM wrote is IBM's property. That is clearely stated by the side letter, the $echo newsletter, and seen in future versions of the license agreement. What "ownership rights" would IBM have if they could not use those parts that they create outside of UNIX SYSV?

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gaffe by SCO lawyers?
Authored by: billposer on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 02:18 PM EDT

SCO says:

IBM entered into a contract, i.e., a license
A license and a contract are different things. Its possible to enter into a contract about a license, but a license is not a contract, which is important in understanding the GPL. Eben Moglen has written about this at some length. I would think that lawyer would know better than to say something like this, and that doing it in a submission to the court would make him look like an idiot to the judge.

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Any news from the courthouse?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 02:32 PM EDT
When will the hearing end? Do we have any grokkers present?

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From the Courthouse.....
Authored by: cxd on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 02:48 PM EDT
Judge Kimball took both the motion to separate the patent claims and the motion
to alter the scheduling order under advisement.

It was a frustrating day at the court but the gloves did come off and both
Marriott and Hiese accoused each other of shall we say not being square with the
court.

New news.

While riding down the elevators with the IBM group Mr. Marrott confirmed that
there was a telephone motion late yesterday with Judge Wells. SCO talked about
this durring the motion to change the scheduling order. I have no way of
knowing what it was about but based on the arguments in court they are saying
that IBM has not been faithful with discovery issues. It is IBM's lack of
turning over documents that requires the delay.

SCO even raised a signed document that they say they needed to have in order for
depositions to proceed. They accoused IBM of holding the document since March.
Marriott responded that it was part of the attorneys work product and was turned
over yesterday to SCO.

Both sides are very angery at each other.

I will write more when I get home. I am at Parker's school to pick him up from
kindergarten.

Oh by the way. We agrued SCO control of all IBM's Unix dirivitives again today.
Wow this argument still does not want to die. I am glad IBM is forcing the
issue.

I am very frustrated.

Mr Marriott left his heart in the courtroom. He argued with passion. I just do
not know well Judge Kimball will see through the smoke screen.

karl

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So all IBM have to do is...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 03:33 PM EDT
Prove that AIX is "not a single 'software product' after all, but instead
an aggregation of countless stand alone 'sub-products'", and by SCOXs own
admission their own argument falls.

Nice of them to hand it on a plate, I expect there is plenty of documentary
evidence from SCO that shows the original SysV (From which AIX was partially
derived) is also a modular system.

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SCO - Gone Fishing
Authored by: rharvey46 on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT
This is just too amusing.
Judge to SCO - don't go fishing
SCO to the judge - we could not find any fish, so we are going fishing
http://www.esj.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=997

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Well, what does it mean, then?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08 2004 @ 09:46 PM EDT
the statement made in a German magazine was not a statement about SCO's "strategy in this case," but rather was an explanation of "the particular way litigation is conducted in the United States," as opposed to Europe

Well, what does Blepp's explanation really mean?

  • Blepp made a global statement about the US legal process, describing how all cases are handled.
  • This statement does not (it says here) pertain to this case.

    Can we reconcile SCOG's statement with SCOG's statement? Yes, we can; we're just not sure of which possibility they intend to pursue:

  • Utah is going to secede from the USA, thus eliminating the US legal system from consideration, so Blepp's remark is talking about a different system.
  • Brent's daddy is going to have the US Senate expel Utah from the US, with the same effect as above.
  • SCOG will have the case moved from Federal Court, Utah District to, say, Japan (Darl did his mission in Japan, so he's familiar with the Japanese Mormon culture).
  • Some other possibility?...

    --Bill P

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