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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 11:29 AM EDT

Here, to help complete our records, are more documents in the SCO v. DaimlerChrysler lawsuit:

These are all scanned documents that I am finally getting to. The most helpful document here is the transcript of the hearing on July 21, 2004. If you follow what each party says, you really can see how significant this ruling is. I even see a tie-in to the AutoZone and IBM cases, because in DaimlerChrysler, SCO also trotted out its argument about methods and concepts, but significantly they got absolutely nowhere. But let's see how the DC lawyers framed the issues, so you'll see how they won, and also how SCO lost.

Keep in mind that judges have to go by the law. They can't just say, "This is the goofiest lawsuit ever," and just toss it out. If it's a stupid lawsuit, they'll surely look to find a way to toss it out legally, but they are bound by the law. And the law favors rights holders, no doubt about it. So how did SCO lose this one so thunderously? Let's follow the arguments the parties made sequentially, and you'll see some fine lawyering on DC's side in making sure that the argument stayed properly cabined as a breach of Section 2.05.

It all began with the letter demanding certification, the Dear UNIX licensee letter from December of 2003:

Such written certification must include statements that:

1. You are not running Linux binary code that was compiled from any version of Linux that contains our copyrighted application binary interface code ("ABI Code") specifically identified in the attached notification letter.

2. You, your contractors and your employees have, to your knowledge, held at all times all parts of the Software Products (including methods and concepts) in confidence for SCO.

3. You have appropriately notified each employee and contractor to whom you have disclosed the Software Products, and taken steps to assure that such disclosure was made in confidence and must be kept in confidence by such employee or contractor. Please provide evidence of your compliance with this obligation. This evidence may include, but not be limited to, nondisclosure agreements, employee policies or manuals, or other such evidence of compliance.

4. Neither you nor your contractors or employees with access to the Software Products have contributed any software code based on the Software Product for use in Linux or any other UNIX-based software product.

5. Neither you nor your contractors or employees have used any part of the Software Products directly for others, or allowed any use of the Software Products by others, including but not limited to use in Linux or any other UNIX-based software product.

6. Neither you nor your contractors or employees have made available for export, directly or indirectly, any part of the Software Products covered by this Agreement to any country that is currently prohibited from receiving supercomputing technology, including Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and any other such country, through a distribution under the General Public License for Linux, or otherwise.

7. Neither you nor your contractors or employees have transferred or disposed of, through contributions to Linux or otherwise, any part of the Software Product.

8. Neither you nor your contractors or employees have assigned or purported to assign any copyright in the Software Products to the General Public License, or otherwise, for use in Linux or another UNIX-based software product.

DC didn't respond within the 30 days, so SCO served its complaint which mentioned DC agreeing to Sections 2.01, 2.02, 7.05(a), 7.09, but then in the cause of action listed only 2.05, as you can see in this snip:

24. Consistent with these restrictions, in § 2.05, Defendant also agreed to account to SCO on an annual basis regarding its use of System V software licensed pursuant to the Software Agreement. Specifically, § 2.05 provides as follows:

On [SCO’s] request, but not more frequently than annually, Licensee shall furnish to [SCO] a statement, certified by an authorized representative of Licensee, listing the location, type and serial number of all Designated CPUs hereunder and stating that the use by Licensee of Software Products subject to this Agreement has been reviewed and that each such Software Product is being used solely on such Designated CPUs (or temporarily on back-up CPUs) for such Software Products in full compliance with the provisions of this Agreement. (Emphasis added.) . . . .

Plaintiff respectfully requests that the Court:

Enter an order that DC has violated § 2.05 of the Software Agreement by refusing to provide the certification of compliance with the “provisions” of that Agreement;

Enter an order declaring that DC has not complied with, and instead has violated, the provisions of the Software Agreement with which § 2.05 required DC to certify compliance;

Enter an order permanently enjoining DC from further violations of the DC Software Agreement; and

Issue a mandatory injunction requiring DC to remedy the effects of its past violations of the DC Software Agreement; and

Award damages in an amount to be determined at trial; . . .

So SCO tried to include the other clauses under Section 2.05, saying that because DC had agreed to the other clauses in the contract by signing it, they had to certify that they had faithfully followed each and every term, not just the matters specifically mentioned in the one certification clause.

That's not what Section 2.05 said, however, as DC was quick to point out in their Reply Brief in Support of its Motion for Summary Disposition, and you can see how they began to try to limit SCO's claims in that document, which the judge would read prior to the hearing: Their argument was a legal one. They didn't say, this is ridiculous, although I'm sure they felt it. They said that since there is nothing unclear about the terms of section 2.05, or anything else in the contract, the judge needed to stick to what the law was regarding unambiguous contract terms, and that law is that if a contract is clear, the judge is to simply interpret it by its own terms and apply it. There is nothing for a jury to interpret, because no reasonable minds could disagree. No outside testimony as to what it means or meant is appropriate. That's only useful if there is real doubt about what a contract is saying:

This case presents the rare circumstance where summary disposition at the initial state of the litigation is not only appropriate, but required. The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") alleges a sole cause of action for breach of contract and declaratory judgment. However, the two documents that SCO itself attaches to the complaint in ostensible support of its claim instead defeat the claim as a matter of law. The documents --- a letter from SCO seeking a certification it says DaimlerChrysler is required to provide pursuant to a license agreement, and the license agreement itself --- show that there is no genuine issue of material fact as to whether DaimlerChrysler breached the agreement. The license agreement delineates, in unambiguous terms, what the certification must include, and by those plain terms, DaimlerChrysler has no contractual duty to provide the information that SCO demands in its letter. In addition, DaimlerChrysler has provided SCO with the only certification required under the license, demonstrating that DaimlerChrysler is not even using and has not used the licensed software for more than seven years. Accordingly, there is no genuine issue of material fact, and SCO's claim fails as a matter of law. .. .

11. Section 2.05 of the License Agreement specifies the required contents of a proper certification:

a list of the location, type and serial number of all Designated CPUs under the License Agreement:

a statement that the Licensee has reviewed the use of Software Products subject to the License Agreement; and

a statement that "each such Software Product is being used solely on such Designated CPUs (or temporarily on back-up CPS) for such Software Products in full compliance with the provisions of this Agreement."

See Cmpl. Exhibit A (License Agreement) § 2.05. . . .

SCO claims that DaimlerChrysler breached the License Agreement by failing to provide SCO with the Linux Certifications. Put simply, this claim fails because DaimlerChrysler has no obligation under the plain terms of the License Agreement to provide SCO with the Linux Certifications. SCO's inability to identify any express contractual provision that DaimlerChrysler breached requires dismissal of its claim. ...

A motion seeking summary disposition pursuant to MCR 2.116(C)(10) must specifically identify the issues as to which the movant believes that there is no genuine issue of material fact. LoPiccolo Homes, Inc. v. Grand/Sakwa of Brooklane, No. 241386, 244800, 2003 WL 23018549, slip op. at *2 n.1 (Mich App, Dec 23, 2003)(per curiam)(attached hereto as Exhibit D)(citing MCR 2.116(G)(4)); MCR 2.116(G)(4)). The movant has the initial burden of supporting its position with affidavits, pleadings, admissions, and other documentary evidence. Id. (citing Quinto v. Cross & Peters Co, 451 Mich 358, 362; 547 NW2d 314 (1996)). The burden then shifts to the opposing party to set forth specific facts showing a genuine issue of material fact for trial. Id. (citations omitted). If there are no genuine issues of material fact, the moving party is entitled to judgment as a matter of law. See Maiden v. Roxwood, 461 Mich 109, 120; 597 NW2d 817 (1999). The test is whether the kind of record that might be developed will leave open an issue upon which reasonable minds might differ. Singerman, 455 Mich at 139.

This case presents no issue on which reasonable minds might differ. The unambiguous terms of Section 2.05 of the License Agreement are susceptible to only one reasonable interpretation, and bar SCO's claim for breach and declaratory judgment as a matter of law. Moreover, because the License Agreement's terms are unambiguous, no amount of discovery would enable SCO to develop a record that would leave open the issue of breach. Accordingly, this Court should grant summary disposition in favor of DaimlerChrysler on SCO's claims. ...

II. SCO ADMITS THAT SECTION 2.05 IS UNAMBIGUOUS.

SCO concedes that Section 2.05 is not ambiguous: "SCO submits that Section 2.05 is indeed unambiguous -- but not in favor of Daimler's motion." (See The SCO Group, Inc.'s Memorandum of Law in Opposition to DaimlerChrysler Corporation's Motion for Summary Disposition ("SCO Mem.") at p. 15.) Because SCO concedes that Section 2.05 is not ambiguous, this Court should not look outside the four corners of the License Agreement to construe that provision. . . . .

SCO's interpretation of Section 2.05 is facially unreasonable and unsupported by law. Moreover, to the extent SCO's interpretation is based on the Broderick Affidavit, it may not be considered, as that affidavit constitutes parol evidence admissible only if this Court determines that Section 2.05 is ambiguous -- which even SCO admits it is not. See Teitelbaum Holdings Ltd v Gold, 48 NY2d 51, 56; 396 NE2d 1029 (1979). Accordingly, there is no dispute that DC provided the information required under the plain terms License Agreement, and this Court should rule as a matter of law that there has been no breach.

So the argument by DC was framed simply: the contract is clear. All we have to certify is what is in 2.05, not all the other stuff. The reason they wanted to do this is, they were bringing a motion for summary disposition, and for that there have to be only issues of law, not fact. If there are any issues of fact in dispute, then the judge can't resolve them in a summary disposition. So, DC sticks to that rule and argues only law issues. Had they lost the motion, they knew that at a trial, they'd have plenty of opportunities to tell the jury how stupid the whole lawsuit was, but this wasn't the time and place for that. Before the judge, it was all about law issues, which she could resolve. A lot was said at the hearing but here are the parts that really mattered to the judge:

DC atty Feeney: ... [T]his is a very simple, straightforward breach of contract case. The issue, Your Honor, before the Court today is whether this section 2.05 of the software license agreement requires a certification of compliance with the agreement in the detailed enumeration that is set forth in the letter requesting compliance, or, does that section require, as it plainly states, that the party to whom the certification is -- from whom the certification is sought merely state that the licensee has, in all respects, complied with the agreement. That's really the long and the short of it, Your Honor.

And the license agreement itself, which is attached as Exhibit A to the Plaintiff's complaint, in section 2.05 plainly states as follows: "On AT&T's request . . . but no more frequently than annually, licensee. . . shall furnish to AT&T/IS a statement certified by an authorized representative of licensee listing the location, type and serial number of all designated CPU's hereunder and stating that the use by licensee of software products subject to this agreement has been reviewed and that each such software product is being used solely on designated CPU's, or temporarily on backup CPUs, or such software products, in full compliance with the provisions of this agreement." . . .

If the court agrees that section 2.05 is unambiguous, then this is certainly an appropriate matter summary disposition. SCO, in their response to the motion, acknowledges that section 2.05 is unambiguous. This is a question of what section 2.05 requires. If it requires -- if it requires the enumerations of all these paragraphs that were set forth in their latter, then obviously our letter than we submitted does not satisfy or meet those requirements. But if, as we say, Your Honor, what section 2.05 requires is exactly what it says, which is a statement that we are in compliance, we have complied.

SCO atty Heise:They are obligated to treat all of that product, the source code, their modifications to it, their derivative works, the methods and concepts and keep the related documentation that goes with all of that confidential. They are required to instruct their employees that they must keep all of this confidential. And what they have done, in their certification, which they've acknowledged, as they must, that they did not ever provide one, and they're required to do so by the agreement. And I don't think there's any case that supports that as a matter of law waiting almost four months and beyond 30 days after suit was filed it is sufficient. So on that grounds, certainly summary disposition is incorrect.

But on the more fundamental issue of, is the certification that they did provide adequate, because where they say we are not using it, have they complied -- does that comply with the terms of section 2.05. And clearly it does not. The 2.05 says that it must be solely on such designated CPU's and in full compliance with the provisions of this agreement. There has to be a statement that they're in full compliance with the provisions of this statement. And the question for the Court is, can they unilaterally limit what they're providing the certification to. Can they say, we're not using it, so therefore, we must be in full compliance? . . . The items that are enumerated in items 1-7 of the letter correspond directly to the limitations that they agreed to in the agreement, to keep it confidential, to inform their employees to keep it confidential, to make sure that the source code stays in the United States, that it does not get exported outside the United States, so, for example, in this case, that it's not appearing in Germany now that Daimler is part of this company.

. . . . So either they have to provide the full certification indicating that the source code, the methods and concepts, the modifications, all of that has been kept confidential, it's not being used on any other CPU's in any manner whatsoever, or, they can take advantage of 6.02 of the agreement and terminate and specifically identify that they have destroyed all of the source codes so that we, at AT&T, now SCO know that our source code is not in a position to be made publicly available by Daimler, and that they have, in fact, throughout the years, instructed their employees to maintain the confidential nature of this source code, the derivative works, the modifications. Because it quite simply is not the situation where one can say, we haven't used that computer over there in seven years so as a result, we must be in compliance. That is not what section 2.05 says.. . . They can't take the source code, the written documentation and use it now in this new operating system that they've publicly stated that they're using, Linux, and assist in that. If they do that, they must tell us about it.

DC atty Feeney:Very briefly, your Honor. Your Honor, this is a fishing expedition. There is no basis for any claim of any breach of the confidentiality provision. They don't even make that claim in the complaint. . . . That's not what this lawsuit -- this lawsuit, as filed, was a lawsuit claiming a breach of section 2.05. And it doesn't require certification as to anything else. If they think they've got a breach of duty or some sort of a lawsuit that they want to bring against DaimlerChrysler, that's their choice to make. But to bring a lawsuit asserting a breach of section 2.05, given what they asked for, is not the right way to go about it, Your Honor, and we'd ask that the motion be granted.

The judge accepted the argument as DC had framed it, and she ruled that the contract meant what it said it meant, and she applied it that way:

"However, the contract very clearly does not require certification of the various clauses contained in the agreement as 2.05 relates to the current use of the software by its unambiguous terms.

Thus, Defendant is not required to certify, for example, that it has not exported the software to a prohibited country. Specifically, Defendant is not required by 2.05 to certify compliance with 2.06, 4.01, 7.05, 7.08, 7.09. I assume you mean two point zero six, four point zero one, seven point zero five, seven point zero eight, seven point zero nine, as requested by Plaintiff's correspondence.

Therefore, any claim for failing to certify compliance with those sections of the agreement are properly dismissed pursuant to (c)(10) as Defendant has no contractual obligation to make such certifications.

Because there was a fact issue regarding how quickly a licensee had to answer, that couldn't be resolved in a summary disposition action, she ruled. The only reason there was a question there was because the contract was silent on that point. But for the rest, it was all tossed out, methods and concepts and all. That decision was a stake in SCO's heart, because it meant that no other company who had received such a letter would be likely to feel obligated to certify to any of those other things mentioned in the letter either. This case doesn't mean SCO can't try again with another company, but it's a strong hint that it would be pointless for them to do so. This is a blow, because when the lawsuit was announced, SCO indicated it was a template for many future actions:

"'We expect this will also become an area of focus of our enforcement initiatives,' SCO Chief Executive Darl McBride said in a conference call Monday."

In that same article, an attorney with a well-respected law firm expressed skepticism about the legal strategy:

"However, the license agreements describe only limited auditing authority, and SCO might have trouble extracting all the information it wants beyond basics such as how many computers and processors are running Unix, said Jeffrey Osterman, a partner with Weil, Gotshal & Manges."

In the most recent teleconference, Darl McBride was asked the unusual question by Dion Cornett whether they had considered asking for a second legal opinion, since so many reputable firms were expressing skepticism about SCO's legal advice. McBride answered that the pundits would have different ideas, after they learned all that SCO has filed under seal with the court in the IBM case. But this lawyer's opinion proved to be exactly right, didn't it? If anything, he was too conservative about SCO's problem.

The part that is so hard to understand, for me anyway, is why SCO didn't bring the necessary type of action to get the other issues heard? They mention them in the complaint, but then they didn't ask for any relief associated with any of those other clauses, except via the rejected theory that their victim needed to certify regarding Linux, regarding exporting, etc. Why did they try to squeeze it all into a Section 2.05 certification demand, like trying to shove Cindarella's step-sisters' big feet into a dainty glass slipper? Why didn't they accuse DC of breach of the other clauses? I think anyone could see in advance it wasn't going to work the way they framed it. Are they trying to lose? Too creative for their own good? I am completely stumped, and it's not likely trying anything like that would help them now, post the DC decision. Some more pundits have expressed doubt about SCO's overall strategy, which McBride expressed like this:

"The DaimlerChrysler case centered on Unix and only brushed up against Linux, but SCO has considered a strategy to expand from the Unix contract into Linux. 'Say they have a license for the Unix source code to be on 10 boxes. If they have 2,000 boxes that have Linux source code on it that is duplicative of our Unix source code, they are breaking the contract they have with us,' SCO Chief Executive Darl McBride said in an earlier interview.

"That argument likely won't hold water, Radcliffe [Mark Radcliff of Gray Cary] said. 'Linux is clearly not licensed under the contract. The problem is: This is a contract that says, "You'll tell us where the software products are being used." It doesn't, by its terms, say, "Any program that infringes the copyright of our software products,"' he said. . . . The remaining issue in the DaimlerChrysler case--that the automaker didn't respond fast enough--likely won't produce any monetary damage award, Radcliffe said."

It's too late to terrify anyone now, they think:

"'From the outside looking in, it seems like SCO is really getting beat around the head and shoulders at almost every turn,' said John Ferrell, an attorney at Carr & Ferrell.

"The legal troubles spill over into SCO's attempt to get Linux users to buy SCO intellectual-property licenses, Radcliffe said. 'A year ago, everything was up in the air, nothing was certain, and SCO had a reasonable argument: "Why don't you buy peace now, while it's cheap?" Now, basically, they haven't had any significant wins, they've had some losses, so I think that argument is gone,' he said. . . .

"'Over the last two years, SCO has managed to waste an incredible amount of goodwill and reputation over its increasingly specious-seeming litigation,' Ferrell said. 'It's a real shame, because SCO had a tradition of being a very strong and important company in the Unix industry and the software industry in general.'"

Another puzzlement to me is the William Broderick affidavit. You'll remember that DC moved to strike some paragraphs from the original affidavit, on the grounds that Broderick had no personal knowledge of some of the matters he was testifying to:

"DaimlerChrysler Corporation ('DCC'), through its counsel, Dykema Gossett PLLC, submits this motion to strike Paragraphs 8, 10-26, 28, 35, 44-45, 56-57, 59 and 62-65 of the Affidavit of William Broderick ('Broderick Affidavit') for failure to comply with MCR 2.119(B)(1) and MCR 2.116(G)(6) because the statements contained therein are not within the personal knowledge of the affiant."

When you read the supplemental affidavit, you may feel, as I did, puzzlement as to why none of the qualifying material was put in the original affidavit. The judge accepted the supplemental affidavit, naturally, but by then it made no difference. She had made up her mind, based on what the contract unambiguously said, thanks to DC framing the argument that way, and we have DC's attorneys to thank for that.

When you get hit with a lawsuit, here's what you really are paying your lawyer for: the ability to figure out which way to handle it. There are always choices, and it's a matter of figuring out what is most likely to win. DC did just that. Their first question was, do we bring a summary disposition action immediately? Do we qualify for a summary disposition before discovery even begins, unusual as that might be? Can we frame it successfully as a question of law with no material issues of fact left hanging that would require a jury?

And we also have SCO to thank, because they made mistake after mistake, as I view it, including bringing a lawsuit against a company that hadn't used their product in almost a decade. Had they done the normal thing and followed up their letter with a phone call to DC, they could have avoided a public embarrassment. And you can't help but wonder, despite the bluster at the teleconference, whether even SCO now must realize that their overall strategy isn't panning out. When a lawyer tells you that he's going to use your case to make new law, watch out.


  


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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Authored by: entre on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 12:18 PM EDT
Typos Here Please

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OT stuff and links here, please
Authored by: rand on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 12:21 PM EDT
Starting with:

PJ, did you pick out that light-gray-on-off=white color scheme, or it something
local to my system? Gosh, that's hard to read with these old worn-out eyes.

---
Eat a toad for breakfast -- it makes the rest of the day seem so much easier
(Chinese (I'm told) proverb) (IANAL and so forth and so on)

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maximising nuisance value
Authored by: Paul Shirley on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 12:56 PM EDT
The part that is so hard to understand, for me anyway, is why SCO didn't bring the necessary type of action to get the other issues heard?

I've had the impression all the way through this whole fiasco SCOG believe anything they don't drag into each case is something they can use in a later attack. A lot of the time they're so clumsy it doesn't work out: the attempt to backpeddle on copyright claims in the IBM case is a good example, try as they might to avoid it they lost control of that aspect of the case.

If the real plan is endless nuisance lawsuits they'll try and use the smallest claim that causes nuisance in every case, trying not to get other claims neutered before they can use them.

An extremely cynical use of the legal system that closely matches the sleaziness of their IP extortion business model.

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It would seem Darl's brother is as good a lawyer ...
Authored by: kawabago on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 12:58 PM EDT
As Darl is a CEO. I wonder if the their whole family are failures? Probably.
They seem to have been raised to look for the easy way or to cheat. Hard work?
They'll steal someone else's thank you very much.

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Has SCOG lost more than they think v DC?
Authored by: rand on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 01:01 PM EDT
Specifically, THEY may be the ones in breech of the license contract.

Section 2.05 has been declared unabiguous, and it set limits on the licensor as
well as obligations for the licensee. By demanding certifications well in
excess of the contract, by threatening legal action to force those over-reaching
demands, and actually pursuing legal action to support those untenable demands,
SCOG may have opened the door for DC and others to seek to have the contract
declared void.

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(Chinese (I'm told) proverb) (IANAL and so forth and so on)

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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Authored by: sjf on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 01:10 PM EDT
It's interesting how the judge saw through SCO tactics. He read the contract,
and the arguments. Then basicly say the contract only requires would DC has
done. The only thing to dispute is the time to certify.

BTW- Did anyone else caught the last part about DC's motion to strike SCO's
affidavits. "The court has reviewed the affidavits, and given the
statements contains herein, the appropriate weight." That sort of sounds
like he thought DC's motions had merit, but it was a moot point any way.

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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 01:22 PM EDT
Page 9 has an interesting point made by SCO. The licensee
is required to keep modifications and derivative works
confidential IF it contains any original source code.

Change that "if" to "if and only if" and they would have
shot their own case against IBM out of the water right
then. I wonder how close this will come to doing that
anyway. They did just admit that the confidentiality
requirements apply only to original SystemV source code,
in court, under oath.

Oh, well..
Mike S.

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Is it just me?
Authored by: bcomber on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 01:27 PM EDT
I didn't read all of the transscript. The impression I get is that the lawyers that SCO has retained aren't the best they could have gotten. Boies and his crew seem to be just collecting money and not getting very far at all.

Mr. Hatch argues and then promptly gets shot down. The other sides, no matter if it is IBM, or DC or Autozone, seem to all have their ducks in a row.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not on SCO's side at all. Can't stand them. But are these lawyers really this bad? Or should I call it inept? After the first few fumblings they made, I'd have fired them and gotten someone else.

Mike

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Why so sloppy?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 01:36 PM EDT
Wasn't this a case that was hastily thrown together because Darl flapped his
mouth at a press conference saying something to the effect of "a suit
against an end user will be filed in the next three days" or some such?
(Or was that AZ?) I recall one of these was originally to target a very large
bank, based on discovery of their inept use of M$ Word. As such, it was
probably tossed together to save face and make the world _think_ they had
something substantial more than to actually expend effort on a win. Of course,
once started, they needed a win to further their stock pump... and usually
hindsight is 20-20... not necessarily true in TSG's case.

Oh.. and Rand... please pass the tobasco... those toads are chewey (and a bit
crunchy).

...D (IANAL)

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Legalese?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 02:15 PM EDT
Mr. Heise says in his argument:

"And what they have done, in their certification, which they've
acknowledged, as they must, that they did not ever provide one, and they're
required to do so by the agreement."

This isn't even a real sentence! I feel like I'm reading a quote from George W
Bush or something. I understand legal terms can greatly complicate the English
language and confuse people, but are sentences such as the above normal in the
legal arena? To be honest, I can't even understand what he's trying to say.

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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 02:42 PM EDT
"McBride answered that the pundits would have different ideas, after they
learned all that SCO has filed under seal with the court in the IBM case."

Yeah, and IBM was so scared that it filed three PSJ's in short order, the
contents of each which is consistent with te groklaw community's analysis and
pretty deadly to SCOG's litigation prospects if successful. Darl the Snarl's
argument is so much futile flapping of the gums because it sways no one,
intimidates no one and persuades no one - except the Rob the Shillmeisters of
the world.

The groklaw community's analysis has been in large part vindicated again and
again by the decisions of the various courts, except for minor discrepancies -
For example, Judge Robinson decided to stay the RH case. However, my personal
analysis is that she has a huge case backlog and she is intent on seizing upon
any semi-rational excuse to postpone everything in sight and somehow deal with
her current backlog, so long as she is perceiving she is getting away with it.
The groklaw community thus has no reason to change its analysis - Were the
documents that SCOG provided under seal so really decisively important as SCOG
claims, the strategies of both parties would have been visibly affected - and
they are not. In addition, let's have some logic around here: Darl the Snarl's
claim is hardly consistent with SCOG' continued and contual screeching for
pretty much unlimited and "untrammeled" discovery.

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OT - SCOG's 21-city tour
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 02:59 PM EDT
I can see that SCOG's 21-city tour will be a roaring success, as I expect that
the 3000 corporate end users who received SCOG's two letters and the 3000 UNIX
codebase licensees to whom SCOG sent the certification letter will queue up to
attend. SCOG definitely lacks a sense of the absurd.

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Personal knowledge?
Authored by: Christian on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 03:48 PM EDT
The employees at SCO have a real problem with the concept of "personal knowledge". Broderick writes
28. Daimler seeks to strike paragraphs 28 and 65 of the June 14 Affidavit in which I stated that Daimler has utilized Linux since at least October 2002 and that it is now using Linux. I have knowledge of these facts from Daimler's own admissions in public statements.
Again and again they claim that reading about something in a magazine constitutes personal knowledge. Under their logic, you can sign an affidavit asserting the truth of anything anyone has ever mentioned to you, say, the existence of Santa Claus and flying reindeer. This would make affidavits meaningless.

Maybe SCO is the Borg and so cannot grasp the meaning of the individuality of a person?

Broderick continues to claim legal conclusions as items of his personal knowledge as well: "In those paragraphs I made factual statements based on my knowledge of Daimler's right of access to UNIX System V source code under the license agreement." This is wrong because (1) the text of the agreements is available and Broderick's knowledge of the text is irrelevant (2) describing rights under the agreement that are not explicit in the text is a legal conclusion. Neither of these is appropriate for an affidavit.

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Why publicize legal fees, but no proof otherwise?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 04:28 PM EDT
I'm going against my own rule where conspiracy presupposes
competence, but here goes.

Why didn't SCO press suit for contract violations when
Novell asserted their copyrights? They went for slander of
title suit, which in the end decides nothing.

Why are the various cases asserting things so different
from their public statements?

Why is it taking a request for judgement in the IBM case
for SCO to dig out some lame proof of copying?

The only reason I can think of is that it is all bluster.
DC only had to think a little, and put together a good
argument before the judge to shut them up. It looked easy
because it was. SCO didn't want to press suit on the linux
violation side because they don't have any evidence.

It is all to scare people into paying, as the article
mentioned. They never have wanted to show evidence to
anyone. They hate Groklaw because their scam is shown.

Notice that the only forthcoming information is how much
they are paying their lawyers? Topping off at $31 million!
How could I or anyone else stand against such show of
force! Well, DC did rather well didn't they.

This is a rather daring scam. Proof for me was the slander
of title suit, rather than breach of contract. They don't
have anything anywhere.

Imagine however if Darl had pulled this one during the
dot.com boom. Their stock would have hit in the mid $300
range. Compared to the idiocy of that time, SCO actually
has a product.

Derek

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TSOG Scam is it legal or not?
Authored by: archivist on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 05:29 PM EDT
After the DC case evidence is building that TSOG is running a scam. What laws
are they breaking and what sanctions can be applied to the directors?

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The SCOG's next move
Authored by: Glenn on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 08:21 PM EDT
Will be to ask for a stay in all of the IBM litigation, telling the judge
that the Red Hat case should be heard first because Red Hat is the real culprit
as it is the producer and distributor of an offending product and will clear up
questions being heard in the present cases.
They will ask the judge to stay the Novel case because all of the SCOG
lawyers are sick and cannot get out of the john long enough to appear in court.
The the SCOG will spend the next ten years going from court to court changing
their claims and then getting them stayed. And the SCOg's lawyers will stil be
hanging in there because the SCOG has gotten them to agree to a $31 million cap
on their fees.
Seems like someone in the SCOG's bowels may be pretty smart.

Glenn

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Broderick Has Peronal Knowledge of Batboy!
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 08:45 PM EDT
If he read it in Weekly World News, he most know about Batboy personally!:
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/chamber/52041

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What if TSG is doing exactly what they intend?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 08:52 PM EDT
TSG is testing the legal system, exercising the free press, creating FUD,
attempting to divide and conquer the FOSS community, claiming the
legal rights to the modern software tool chain, etc.

This appears to be early skirmishes meant to identify the opponents'
vulnerabilities. Please do not place too much weight on the early outcomes.
This will not end until TSG gives up. That will probably require shutting
them down and putting their management in prison.

Puzzle me this. Why are ALL TSG's claims too vague to pin down? Why does
TSG contradict their own statements? What is TSG attempting to draw
attention away from?

My guess is that they want to grab cash while the getting is good while
avoiding prison time later on. After all Darl has a long track record of
destroying business operations for personal profit. Darl is not above
screwing over his own friends (e.g., Anderer).

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Where are the News Headlines?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 09:26 PM EDT
Something bugging me about all of this is that if SCO lost the DC case, why
aren't we seeing headlines like "IDIOT SCO LOSES FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT"
all over the place?

When SCO speaks its idiotic filth, there are a dozen reporters jumping on it and
angling the story as big as they can which affects the morale of both sides in
this war.

If we're winning, shouldn't we be a little bit louder about our victories and
boost the morale of our side and giving more confidence to those who want to
make the switch to Linux?

Right now it seems as if the signal-to-noise ratio is favoring the noise and in
a public battle of words, not being heard is a one-way ticket to Doomsville,
population: us.

I hope on the next win we'll at least see something blatant like "SCO LOSES
AGAIN".

"Cel-e-brate good times, come on!" - Kool & The Gang

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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 12:28 AM EDT
<conspiracy_theory>
Maybe the SCO lawyers are really Linuz enthusiasts and are presenting the cases
in a way so as to lose on purpouse.
</conspiracy_theory>

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Broderick Affidavit
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 01:21 AM EDT
After reading the Supplemental affidavit, what came to mind is that SCO has
hired lousy lawyers.

In the first affidavt, Broderick comes off as a buffoon. Add to it the
supplemental, and you begin to think this guy has a handle on the situation.

It just amazes me that $31 million +33% is being spent on such total idiots.

To save SCO some money, I would do all their legal work for $10,0000,000--flat
fee. No, I do not know anything about the law, but after reading such tripe as
SCO now produces, it is clear the knowledge of the law is not a prerequisite.

So there you have it Darl. True value for the shareholder, with exactly the same
outcome guaranteed. I will be waiting for you call!

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A couple of questions?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 03:24 AM EDT

First, one for PJ?

I missed it in the documents, I guess. Where did someone speak/write about making new law based on this (the DC?) case? And what sort of law might that person be talking about?

Second, How would DC have necessarily needed UNIX source code to merely move the OS from one system to another? Broderick doesn't specify (in section 33 of his Supp. Affadavit) whether DC was moving the OS from one vendor's systems to another vendor's. If that were the case they (DC) might have needed the code in order to recompile. And I'd doubt this. By that date (1992) surely every systems vendor would have had a version of UNIX available for their hardware in which case USL/SCO wouldn't have been contacted. So... it would seem that DC had been merely moving the OS from one model of the same vendor's system to a beefier model, it's quite likely they wouldn't have needed UNIX source code for that at all and the reason for the communication to USL/SCO/whoever was just to inform them of the change in the system's serial number.

Oh, and I like the way SCO tried to sneak in a possible round of discovery in section 34 where Broderick informs the court that, essentially, "whatever I don't know (which is probably considerable) you can get from the managers and employees at Daimler/Chrysler". (I.e., more delays. You gotta appreciate SCO's consistency.)

Now, I'll admit to only having read the exerps of Broderick's original affadavit, but if it was anything like this supplement, I'd say it was pretty much content-free. All I came away with was that he was nothing more than a bean-counter type overseeing the collection of fees from licensees. (And that he's been doing the same job for a long, long, long time.)

--
R

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Lawyers have fun too.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 04:22 AM EDT
I'm just wandering if it's Darls lawyers that are making a monkey of Darl and co
for the hell of it. Either way they are winners in any case money wise.

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Good Story
Authored by: mobrien_12 on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 05:18 AM EDT
PJ, I would like to compliment you on a very good story. I read it, read the transcript, and just really got it. It all made sense.

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SCOG history.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 05:18 AM EDT
The Broderick Supplementary Affidavit seems to nicely record the history from
SCO to SCOG in a court document.

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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 05:58 AM EDT
One question remains in my mind. Is there a time limit within which SCOG must
tell DC and the court whether they wish to continue to pursue the remainder of
their complaint? If so, whem would this be and what would be the next step?

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More about Munich.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 08:14 AM EDT
link
Contains some HP FUD.

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Debian position on Sender ID
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 08:27 AM EDT
LINK

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No Broderick Declaration in IBM Case?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 08:31 AM EDT
I find it very interesting that in the Supplemental Declaration of William Broderick that he makes comments concerning the "sale of the UNIX Business". He also makes this statement:

For years I worked closely with and was trained by the very lawyers and contract managers from Western Electric(later AT&T Information Systems) who had been involved with the Unix System V souce code License Agreement since its inception.

Now how can this man not have a deposition or declaration in the IBM case. Could this man not have had the knowledge that all of the IBM depositions with the lawyers from AT&T had? It is quite apparent from IBM's memorandum as to the Contract summary judgement that they have depositions from the very lawyers he MUST have worked with that state the opposite of SCO's contract claims.

This gentleman would seem to have information relevant to the IBM case, but neither side has spoken with him. Why, am I missing something or does he seem to be a very important part of this case?!? If he did train with the AT&T lawyers, it would seem that in the contact case SCO would have trotted this man out(his IS thier employee) to bolster thier case, but he is no where in sight.

Does anyone else find this strange?

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Thoughts on why DC.
Authored by: hardcode57 on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 08:46 AM EDT
I don't think the SCO's lawyers and management can possibly be as moronic as
they appear: they'd suffocate from forgetting how to breathe.

I suspect that they know that their only hope is to get bought, and they think
that the best way to do this is to make a nuisance of themselves with companies
that might buy them. From that point of view suing DC makes perfect sense. They
would remember how another automotive giant, GM, solved a dispute with EDS (an
equally seedy IT company) by buying it, and they probably assumed that DC was
still dependent on their OS (IIRC, because of the address screw up, they didn't
find out that DC had ditched UNIX until after they sued). Given their reluctance
to back down, ever, for fear of encouraging others (poor judgement, not
stupidity there), they had, as they saw it, to continue with a hopeless case.

Yes, I'm aware that there are illogicalities and internal contradictions in the
above, that's often how decisions are arrived at. It is however, an explanation
of how people with enough smarts to graduate from pretty decent colleges managed
to screw up so badly.

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Darl never got a 2nd opinion for Boies' opinion
Authored by: skidrash on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 09:06 AM EDT
Because the lawsuits were never Boies' idea/opinion.
They were Darl's opinion

Boies was only brought in for publicity.

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DaimlerChrysler Hearing Transcript, Orders, Broderick Supplementary Affidavit
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 03:13 PM EDT
It appears from Mr. Broderick's affidavit, that his connection with Unix far
precedes the Novell sale to SCO. Given that, and that he genuinely was familiar
with the Unix Licenses, how was it they didn't know the address had changed and
DC was no longer using the machines?

Didn't they ask him before filing the suite?

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