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AutoZone Interrogatories & Depositions and Two More SCO Attorneys, Etc.
Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 10:17 AM EDT

Here's some AutoZone info, showing AutoZone steps in the discovery process and very aggressive steps, too. First, we have what can best be described as the "Collected Works of SCO v. AutoZone", a 89-page collection of filings in the case, certified by one of SCO's attorneys, including the transcript of the July hearing, some letters, one from SCO to the judge and another, dated September 1, from AutoZone attorney, David J. Stewart, to SCO attorney, David Stone, on page 66, letting Boies Schiller know they wish to depose anyone knowledgeable SCO wishes to provide to be deposed, tentatively scheduled for October 13, on some copyright questions. Like... um... do you actually own any? AutoZone also asks to depose Darl McBride and Chris Sontag, who apparently are being asked to travel to Las Vegas for the depositions some time during the last two weeks of October.

Also in the letter are references to interrogatories AutoZone served on SCO, AutoZone's First Interrogatories, and a note that AutoZone's attorney is trying to contact Jim Greer for available dates for his deposition. Mr. Greer, as you will recall, handled the transfer from Unix to Linux for AutoZone. The list of contents is on page 2. This all happened prior to the September 15 hearing.

Then, on page 68, you find the interrogatories AutoZone served on SCO. The first item on the list is:

1. Identify with specificity each copyrighted work that you allege AutoZone has infringed, including, but not limited to, each of the works identified in Paragraph 2 of SCO's Injunctive Relief Statement. For source code, identify the specific lines of code that you allege AutoZone has infringed. For non-source code, identify the specific lines or sections of the materials that you allege AutoZone has infringed.

Ah, the eternal quest to get a simple answer to the simple question, Exactly what have we infringed? I like their questions number 4-6 quite a lot, too:

4. Describe in detail when and how SCO obtained ownership of the copyright of each work identified in response to Interrogatory No. 1 above.

5. Identify by registration number the United States copyright registration for each copyrighted work identified in response to Interrogatory No. 1 above.

6. Describe with specificity how AutoZone has infringed the copyright in each work identified in response to Interrogatory No. 1 above.

But my all-time favorite interrogatory in the entire SCO saga must be AutoZone's #9:

9. Describe in detail all harm that you are suffering as a result of each alleged act of infringement identified in response to Interrogatory No. 6 above.

If anyone could OCR and transcribe this document, that would be wonderful.

Next, on page 73, we find AutoZone's First Request for Production of Documents served on SCO. It would be nice to have this transcribed too. The first item on the list is a request for a copy of each work identified in their Interrogatories. For computer code, that means they want SCO to provide "copies of the relevant source and object code." They also want all correspondence about the copyrights with any party, including Novell, and copies of the registered copyrights themselves, as well as all documents "including analyses, that evidence or relate to your claims that the works, or relevant portions thereof, that you identified in response to Interrogatory No. 1 of AutoZone's First Interrogatories are subject to protection under the Copyright Act." Does one discern a hint of skepticism as to SCO's ownership of the copyrights allegedly being infringed? They also want to know what expert witnesses SCO intends to call and they ask for all documents, including correspondence, sent to or received from such experts and all documents referenced or relied upon by any such witness.

The next document, which should be transcribed too, is their notice of the first deposition of any knowledgeable SCO person who will be deposed regarding the copyrights, a 30(b)(6) deposition. This is on page 80. Here's what a 30(b)(6) deposition means, under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 30, Depositions Upon Oral Examination:

(6) A party may in the party's notice and in a subpoena name as the deponent a public or private corporation or a partnership or association or governmental agency and describe with reasonable particularity the matters on which examination is requested. In that event, the organization so named shall designate one or more officers, directors, or managing agents, or other persons who consent to testify on its behalf, and may set forth, for each person designated, the matters on which the person will testify. A subpoena shall advise a non-party organization of its duty to make such a designation. The persons so designated shall testify as to matters known or reasonably available to the organization. This subdivision (b)(6) does not preclude taking a deposition by any other procedure authorized in these rules.

The list of topics includes the functionality of any source or object code SCO claims is infringed, its creation, how AutoZone infringed them, the dates SCO first learned that AutoZone allegedly was infringing, and note this: the "factual investigation SCO performed in advance of filing this action against AutoZone" and the "harm that SCO is suffering". Whoever SCO wants to send to be deposed on these subjects, they can send.

We also have Judge Jones's Minutes of the Court on AutoZone's Emergency Motion to Stay. The list also includes the cover page only of the hearing transcript on AutoZone's emergency motion in September (the rest is here), and Judge Robert Jones's Order.

SCO v. IBM:

Here's a Motion and Order granting SCO's motion to add two more attorneys from Boies Schiller to the SCO team. The two new pro hac vice lawyers are Edward Normand and Sean Eskovitz. Their assignment, it's been jokingly suggested, is to bring the NoDoze. Actually, Mr. Eskovitz appears to be as serious as a heart attack. He seems to be an appeals court lawyer. Hmm. What might they be thinking? And if you can stand the Flash on the Boies Schiller website, in their profile for him, it says that his "main practice areas include complex commercial litigation and business crimes." Double hmm. It adds:

Before joining Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, Mr. Eskovitz served from 1999-2003 as an Assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. In that capacity, he prosecuted complex criminal cases involving racketeering, financial and bank fraud, tax fraud, money laundering, violent crimes, and narcotics offenses.

Eek. Violent crimes and narcotics offenses. Hopefully it won't come to that.

He was law clerk to the Honorable Paul V. Niemeyer on the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit from 1995 to 1996. Martindale-Hubbell's Statement of Practice on Mr. Eskovitz says this about him:

Statement of Practice: Litigation in all Federal and State Courts. Antitrust, Securities, Commercial and Banking Law, Bankruptcy, Criminal, Civil RICO, Appellate Practice, First Amendment and Civil Rights, Libel, Intellectual Property, Professional Liability, Employment, Environmental and Arbitration.

He is a partner at the firm, and here is a bit about his background:

Sean Eskovitz, (Partner) born Santiago, Chile, October 31, 1970; admitted to bar, 1997, New Jersey; 1998, District of Columbia; 1999, New York. Education: University of Pennsylvania (B.A., magna cum laude, 1992); New York University (J.D., magna cum laude, 1995). Order of the Coif. Recipient, New York State Bar Foundation Award in Legal Ethics. Finalist, Orison S. Marden Moot Court Competition. Executive Articles Editor, Annual Survey of American Law. Law Clerk to the Hon. Paul V. Niemeyer, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, 1995-1996. Co-Author, with Gerald A. Feffer, "Unsealing Your Client's Fate: Obtaining Preindictment Access to Search Warrant Materials," Business Crimes Bulletin, September 1997. Assistant U.S. Attorney, United States Attorney's Office, Criminal Division, Southern District of New York, 1999-2003. Languages: Spanish. Practice Areas: Litigation; Business Crimes.

While you are on that same page, scroll down and you find this info for Mr. Normand:

Edward J. Normand, (Partner) born Portland, Maine, August 24, 1969; admitted to bar, 1996, New York; 1998, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York. Education: College of William & Mary (B.A., magna cum laude, 1992); University of Pennsylvania (J.D., 1995). Phi Beta Kappa. Editor-In-Chief, University of Pennsylvania Law Review, 1994-1995. Law Clerk: Honorable Marjorie O. Rendell, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, 1995-1996; Honorable Joseph M. McLaughlin, U.S. Court of Appeals, Second Circuit, 1997-1998. Practice Areas: Civil Litigation.

The Boies Schiller profile on Mr. Normand says his "main practice area is complex commercial litigation." He also represents "the London-based insurers in the ongoing litigation regarding the extent of coverage of the program of insurance for the World Trade complex." Complex commercial litigation probably doesn't get more complex than that. Or how about this? He represented "two hedge funds in matters arising from the economic crisis in Russia" and "large public companies undertaking to implement changes in their corporate governance structure." He also "represented an online music trading service in its litigation with major record companies." I gather the firm does not use the N word? Perhaps I assume too much. Actually, their style seems to be not to name clients specifically, except that David Boies' profile does. There you find out that he represented Lloyd's of London "and other insurers" and that "Mr. Boies obtained a defense verdict" on their behalf in the World Trade Center matter. His profile doesn't even allude to Napster, let alone list it. Actually, both new lawyers assigned to SCO are probably cool guys. If you met them at a dinner party, they'd probably be fascinating to talk to. The biggest mystery to me has always been, how did all these nice guys end up in a place like this?

There is a Katherine Eskovitz at Boies Schiller too, so I'm thinking it's maybe Mr. Eskovitz's wife, since she also clerked for the same judge he did, and a brother and sister both ending up clerking together seems less likely than that they met on the job there and got married. She defended the United States in a lawsuit originally brought by President Nixon seeking compensation under the 5th Amendment Taking Clause for President Nixon's White House tapes, photographs and documents. She used to work, ta-dah, at Cravath. I deduce from all this that SCO is getting some heavy hitters, but their skills are so numerous, it's not possible yet to see which skills they are being sent in to use. What the two share in common is complex civil litigation, so it could be as simple as that, all joking aside.

Just to keep us up-to-date, there are some minor filings in SCO v. IBM too, nothing earth-shaking. First, there is a Stipulation giving SCO more time to reply to IBM's Supplemental Memorandum re Discovery. The deadline was October 4. Then we also have Order granting the stipulation, the IBM's Ex Parte Motion for Leave to File Overlength Memorandum, again on the SCO discovery motion, the Order granting the motion. There are two sealed documents as well listed on Pacer, SCO's Reply Brief re: Supplemental Memorandum re: Discovery, #316, and SCO's Declaration of Jeremy O. Evans, #317, which goes with SCO's sealed Reply Brief.

SCO v. Novell:

To bring us up-to-date on Novell, here's the list there:

SCO v. Novell - 10/1/04 50 Ex parte motion by SCO Grp for leave to file overlength opposition memo (blk) [Entry date 10/05/04]

10/1/04 -- Proposed document from SCO Grp entitled: Memo in opposition to Novell's motion to dismiss amended complaint (blk) [Entry date 10/05/04] (This is what became #52, which we have)

10/4/04 51 Order granting [50-1] ex parte motion for leave to file overlength opposition memo signed by Judge Dale A. Kimball , 10/4/04 cc:atty (blk) [Entry date 10/05/04]

Of course, we have the #52 document, SCO's Memorandum in Opposition to Novell's Motion to Dismiss already and are busy trying to get a text version.

Red Hat v. SCO:

There is also a Red Hat filing in Delaware, which we should have by Monday.


  


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Corrections Here
Authored by: spuluka on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 10:34 AM EDT
So they are easy to find.

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Steve Puluka
Pittsburgh, PA

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AutoZone Interrogatories & Depositions and Two More SCO Attorneys, Etc.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 10:51 AM EDT
Looks like Autozone has decided to tax SCO's (very finite) warchest heavily.
Good for them. :)

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Burst v. Microsoft
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 11:07 AM EDT

I think this case belongs on groklaw as well.
Some great lawyering on the Burst's side.

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RedHat must be chomping at the bit too
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 11:21 AM EDT
Autozone is aggressively asking for direct proof of copyright ownership from
SCO - something IBM and Novell have not aggressively pursued.

Yea Autozone!

Perhaps we shall now get to the bottom of who, if anyone, actually owns the
copyrights to UNIX. If anything, we, hopefully, will find out how much of
UNIX is actually NOT under copyright.

I wish IBM would have identified which part of UNIX System V is under IBM
Copyright since SCO managed to somehow erase IBM's copyright notices in
their UNIX System V headers, among the notices of a multitude of companies.

Then IBM can attack SCO based on its distribution of IBM's copyrights in UNIX.

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Transcription claims here
Authored by: darkonc on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 11:49 AM EDT
I'll take the Autozone interroagory requests at page 68.

Any other claims to specific sections should be posted here.

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Transcription results here
Authored by: darkonc on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 11:54 AM EDT
Results of transcriptions (or pointers to results) can be put here (for easy
locating).


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Powerful, committed communication. Touching the jewel within each person and
bringing it to life..

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Two questions...
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 12:04 PM EDT
Is there any evidence that SCO completed the $31 million cap agreement with
their attorneys?

Could the additional lawyers suggest an effort to increase the billable hours
before the case collapses?

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Off Topic here
Authored by: archonix on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 12:06 PM EDT
Everyone seems to be saying it tehse days, so use HTML and stuff when you're
making links.

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disclaimer: I'm human. I make mistakes too, so if I've made one here, tell me
nicely and I'll try to see it corrected in future.

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Ah, but will SCO answer?
Authored by: Dark on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 12:14 PM EDT
My guess is that SCO will simply delay in answering these, and wait for Novell
to bring a motion to compel. In response to that motion, they'll argue that

(a) these questions aren't relevant for opposing a preliminary injunction, and
should be delayed until the case continues, and

(b) the deadline for bringing the motion for preliminary injunction should be
extended until the motion to compel is resolved.

(Yes, I know the arguments don't make much sense. If they made sense, they
wouldn't be a good guess about SCO's actions, now would they?)

They probably can't delay the depositions, though, other than by their usual
tactics of not having any attorneys available.

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Boies-Schiller Website
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 12:15 PM EDT
"the Boies Schiller website"

There are a LOT of contact persons (presumably mostly
lawyers) on that website. The flash "refraction"
animation look is nifty, but, overall it looks like almost
everything is out of focus... kind of like the SCO
lawsuits.

Aside: Their fees, most certainly, have a web site
design subcharge contained within them.

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AutoZone Interrogatories & Depositions and Two More SCO Attorneys, Etc.
Authored by: midav on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 12:58 PM EDT
He also "represented an online music trading service in its litigation with major record companies." I gather the firm does not use the N word? Perhaps I assume too much.

PJ, I wonder if you really knew about Napster? Hint: Page 2.

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racketeering, financial and bank fraud, tax fraud, money laundering
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 01:14 PM EDT
>>Before joining Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, Mr.
Eskovitz served from 1999-2003 as an Assistant United
States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. In
that capacity, he prosecuted complex criminal cases
involving racketeering, financial and bank fraud, tax
fraud, money laundering, violent crimes, and narcotics
offenses.<<

Hmmm, Eskovitz seems the perfect lawyer to help defend SCO
against allegations of racketeering, financial and bank
fraud, tax fraud, money laundering. This guy should know
all about the law with regards to SCO's activities so far.

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Why AutoZone?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 01:29 PM EDT
Why AutoZone (and DMC)? Why didn't SCO pick some very small companies that
simply wouldn't have had the resources to fight back in court?

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What did Linus say?
Authored by: Nick Bridge on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 01:37 PM EDT
"They are smoking crack" Linus Torvalds

"The two new pro hac vice lawyers are Edward Normand and Sean Eskovitz. ...
Before joining Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, Mr. Eskovitz ... prosecuted
complex criminal cases involving ... and narcotics offenses. "

Are they preparing a defense?

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AutoZone Interrogatories & Depositions and Two More SCO Attorneys, Etc.
Authored by: blacklight on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 02:29 PM EDT
"Actually, Mr. Eskovitz appears to be as serious as a heart attack. He
seems to be an appeals court lawyer" PJ

... and I have no doubt that Mr. Eskovitz's seriousness will be reflected in the
legal invoices he is going to be handing out to the lucky payer. At this point,
SCOG's IBM litigation is in extremely bad shape which is to be expected.
However, SCOG's lawyers have taken quite a tarring and feathering on groklaw
over the quality of their pleadings. It is possible that Boies & Schiller
bit the bullet and got these two in order to preserve their credibility with
future prospective clients, because it is always easier to justify losing by
pointing to competent pleadings than with pleadings that reflect the
transcendent qualities of Kevin McBride, SCOG's ace parking ticket litigator:
grossly off-point, incompetent and as overlength as torture over a slow fire.

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  • Parking tickets? - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 03:59 PM EDT
Damned if they do
Authored by: overshoot on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 05:00 PM EDT
I love AuoZone's gauntlet:
The list of topics includes the functionality of any source or object code SCO claims is infringed, its creation, how AutoZone infringed them, the dates SCO first learned that AutoZone allegedly was infringing, and note this: the "factual investigation SCO performed in advance of filing this action against AutoZone" and the "harm that SCO is suffering". Whoever SCO wants to send to be deposed on these subjects, they can send.
So, basically, SCOX has two ways they can play this. Either:
  • they tell the Nevada Court that they didn't have any facts back last winter, in which case AZO responds with a Rule 11 motion, or
  • They specify rights and facts supporting their filing against AZ, which IBM will bring to the attention of the Utah Court as material that should have been produced no later than Judge Wells' February hearing.
Note that their usual whine about IBM not producing "critical predicate discovery" is, in Nevada, just an admission to violating Rule 11.

If BSF is smart, they'll drop the case in Nevada altogether rather than get pinned by this one.

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Time to defend the plaintiff?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 05:23 PM EDT
And if you can stand the Flash on the Boies Schiller website, in their profile for him, it says that his "main practice areas include complex commercial litigation and business crimes." Double hmm.

Yes, that is a definite HMMMM........

Business crimes. How fitting.

Maybe all the chatter filled with moral outrage, about how the SCO executives might be facing criminal charges isn't such a pipe dream after all.

There's the lack of appearances by David Boies. There's the SEC statement by Baystar or SCO, I can't remember where I read it (google news?), that states there's some ongoing investigation by the SEC. There's the extreme focus on the counter-claims made by IBM. There's the upcoming deposition of McBride, Sontag and Yarro. There's the stunned silence by the SCO executives. And now the attorney(s) who specialize in defending clients.

Although I wasn't sure before, I do believe the tide has undoubtedly turned against SCO. Expect some bad, bad news in the next week or two.

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Dropped Ball?
Authored by: mobrien_12 on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 07:32 PM EDT
I read what AZ has asked, and I'm wondering why they don't also ask SCO to
certify that these copyrigtable elements are not available from other sources
from other licences, such as BSD.

SCO has already once shown "infringing" code that was from BSD.

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Basis for Preliminary Injunction
Authored by: spuluka on Saturday, October 09 2004 @ 09:36 PM EDT
Note that pages 86-89 of the PDF are the filing by SCO of their potential basis
for injuctive relief. Autozone has nothing to fear even if this is filed for
and granted.

All SCO can identify are the libraries from SCO Unix and the manuals from the
same. I'm sure that Autozone is already in compliance with not using these
without an injunction.

What a waste of time and money!

---
Steve Puluka
Pittsburgh, PA

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Lawyers w/ fraud experience?
Authored by: fb on Sunday, October 10 2004 @ 03:40 AM EDT

Weren't there some trial balloons a few weeks ago about SCO charging IBM with fraud?

One reason for all the shiny new lawyers might be to open up another bogus front like that, but with a little more credibility this time.

That seems a little more plausible than signing them on as a preemptive defense against charges of fraud against SCO.

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OT: EV1 backlash births new opensource hosting centre
Authored by: belzecue on Sunday, October 10 2004 @ 10:47 AM EDT
[click for article]

"Jason Macer never really cared what operating system was running on his servers when the Dallas area businessman's Web hosting resale business peaked with 26 servers last March. But Macer found out that lots of folks did care, and were leaving him because of it. It was not Windows that was the problem, it was SCO. Macer's hosting vendor, EV1 Servers.net, had signed on for SCO's Linux user license. Macer's customers reacted by seeking hosting elsewhere, cutting his business down to just two servers.

"[Customers] said they can't support companies that support SCO," recalled Macer. But he saw an opportunity in his loss, and has launched an all-open source colocation and dedicated service provider in OSI Hosting, which touted the addition of seven new datacenters last month..."

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OT: McBride thinks he has the next itunes in business applications marketplace
Authored by: belzecue on Sunday, October 10 2004 @ 10:52 AM EDT
[click for link]

"SCO Group Inc is looking to emulate Apple Computer Inc's success with the iTunes Music Store, according to CEO, Darl McBride, as it attempts to rejuvenate its Unix operating system business via SCO Marketplace..."

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The Nicest Part
Authored by: codswallop on Monday, October 11 2004 @ 09:03 AM EDT
SCO will have to answer on an individual work basis. It's no good just to say it
all came from Novell. It's on the record that it's a collective work, so they'll
have to say who wrote what when. Does anyone believe they actually know? Any
mistakes on their part will be immediately pounced on by people who do.


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Discovery relevance is to claims, not to sanity.

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