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More Delay in SCO v. IBM -- on Briefs on IBM's Motions RE Breach of Contract and Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement
Friday, October 15 2004 @ 06:00 AM EDT

More delay in SCO v. IBM, but it's by stipulation, so both sides have agreed to it and the judge has issued an Order. It involves IBM's two upcoming motions, one on the breach of contract claims and the other regarding IBM's counterclaim for copyright infringement, which is the one about the GPL.

These two motions are asking for partial summary judgment, not for a dismissal of the case, as Lamlaw has pointed out repeatedly. I mention that because I still see mainstream articles saying that IBM is asking the court to dismiss the case. They are not. They are asking for a judgment on certain claims. That's what the word "partial" in the titles Partial Summary Judgment means. If they win, the case continues, minus the parts they have already won a judgment on. If they don't, it continues and at trial all the elements will be decided by the jury.

The new dates are November 23 and January 14:

November 23 for SCO to file

  • a memorandum in response to IBM's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement (Eighth Counterclaim) and
  • a memorandum in response to IBM's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Breach of Contract Claims.

And the next date is January 14, for IBM to file

  • its reply memorandum in support of its Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Breach of Contract Claims
  • a reply memorandum in support of its Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement (Eighth Counterclaim).

IBM's motion for partial summary judgment on the breach of contract claims is the one where they say that all parties involved in the contract between AT&T and IBM have now provided testimony in discovery that IBM has the right to do whatever it wishes with its own code, contrary to SCO's claims, or as the memorandum puts it, they all provided "unequivocal testimony that the agreements were not intended and should not be understood to preclude IBM's use and disclosure of homegrown code and contemporaneous documents reflect this interpretation of the licenses".

Their motion for partial summary judgment on the copyright infringement claim is the one where IBM says that SCO has literally copied more than 783,000 lines of code from 16 packages of IBM's copyrighted material. They also claim that SCOsource licenses violate the GPL. They are asking for summary judgment as to liability and a permanent injunction.

An odd thing is that the Certificate of Service doesn't list all the attorneys I would have expected. It doesn't list David Marriott, for example. The two new SCO attorneys, Normand and Eskovitz, are listed on the stipulation but are not on the Certificate of Service. And the misspelling of Infringement as Infringment in the titles is they way it is. Oddly, they -- and in this case it was SCO's side that appears to have drawn up the documents -- got it spelled correctly in the body of the documents but not in the titles.

What does the delay mean? Maybe nothing much. Maybe that both sides realize the significance of these two IBM motions. Maybe SCO threatened more motions if it didn't get another delay. It's probably scouring the wilderness looking for someone to stand up for their interpretation of the contract, and that does take time. Who knows? Maybe everyone is just swamped. A whole lot of motion practice going on, and it's easy to drop a stitch if you hurry. These two motions, from SCO's perspective, are pretty much the ball game. For IBM, not so much. If they lose, they just get another opportunity at trial. So SCO is likely taking it all very, very seriously. Maybe it just means that SCO now wishes it had attended GPL Summer School when it had a chance last summer.

Here is the Order, followed by the Stipulation.

****************************************

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DIVISION, DISTRICT OF UTAH

______________________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff,

vs

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant

______________________________________

ORDER TO EXTEND TIME
FOR BRIEFING REGARDING IBM's
MOTION FOR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT
ON ITS COUNTERCLAIMS FOR
COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT
(EIGHTH COUNTERCLAIM)

Case No. 2:03cv00294 DK
Honorable Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

_____________________________________

Based upon the stipulation of the parties, and good cuase appearing,

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED as follows:

Plaintiff The SCO Group ("SCO") may have up to and including November 23, 2004, in which to file a memorandum in response to IBM's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Breach of Contract Claims.

SCO may have up to and including November 23, 2004, to file a memorandum in response to IBM's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement (Eighth Counterclaim).

IBM may have up to and including January 14, 2005, to file its reply memorandum in support of its Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Breach of Contract Claims.

IBM may have up to and including January 14, 2005, to file a reply memorandum in support of its Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement (Eighth Counterclaim).

DATED this 13th day of October, 2004.

BY THE COURT:

_____[signature]______
Honorable Dale A. Kimball
United States District Court Judge

APPROVED AS TO FORM:

By: ______[signature]______
SNELL & WILMER L.L.P.
Alan L. Sullivan
Todd M. Shaughnessy
Amy F. Sorenson

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE
Evan R. Chesler
David R. Marriott

Counsel for Defendant International
Business Machines Corporation

BY: ____[signature]______
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James

BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
Robert Silver
Ted Normand
Sean Eskovitz

Counsel for Plaintiff The SCO Group, Inc.


United States District Court
for the
District of Utah

October 14, 2004

** CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE OF CLERK **

Re: 2:03-CV-00294

True and correct copies of the attached were eithere mailed, faxed, or e-mailed by the clerk to the following:

Brent O. Hatch, Esq.
HATCH JAMES & DODGE
[address]
EMAIL

Scott E. Gant, Esq.
BOIES SCHILLER & FLEXNER
[address]
EMAIL

Frederick S. Frei, Esq.
ANDREWS KURTH
[address]

Evan R. Chesler, Esq.
CRAVATH SWAINE & MOORE
[address]
EMAIL

Mr. Alan L. Sullivan, Esq.
SNELL & WILMER LLP
[address]
EMAIL

Todd M. Shaughnessy, Esq.
SNELL & WILMER LLP
[address]
EMAIL

Mark J. Heise, Esq.
BOIES SCHILLER & FLEXNER
[address]

EMAIL

Mr. Kevin P. McBride, Esq.
[address]
EMAIL

Robert Silver, Esq.
BOIES SCHILLER & FLEXNER
[address]

Mr. David W Scofield, Esq.
PETERS SCOFIELD PRICE
[address]
EMAIL


*****************************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)
Mark F. James (5295)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
[address, phone, fax] Robert Silver (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER
[address, phone, fax]

Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for Plaintiff The SCO Group, Inc.

___________________________________

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF UTAH

__________________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,
a Delaware corporation,

Plaintiff,

vs.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES
CORPORATION, a New York corporation,

Defendant.

_________________________________

JOINT STIPULATION TO EXTEND
TIME FOR BRIEFING REGARDING
IBM'S MOTION FOR PARTIAL
SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON
BREACH OF CONTRACT CLAIMS
AND IBM'S MOTION FOR PARTIAL
JUDGMENT ON ITS
COUNTERCLAIMS FOR
COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT
(EIGHTH COUNTERCLAIM)

Case No. 2:03CV0294DAK
Hon. Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

________________________________

Plaintiff The SCO Group ("SCO"), by and through counsel, and Defendant International Business Machines Corporation ("IBM"), by and through counsel, hereby stipulate that SCO may have up to and including November 23, 2004, in which to file a memorandum in response to IBM's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Breach of Contract Claims, and may have up to and including November 23, 2004, to file a memorandum in response to IBM's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement (Eighth Counterclaim). IBM may have up to and including January 14, 2005, to file its reply memorandum in support of its Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Breach of Contract Claims; and may have up to and including January 14, 2005, to file a reply memorandum in support of its Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement (Eighth Counterclaim).

DATED this 12th day of October, 2004.

By: _____[signature]_____
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James

BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
Robert Silver (admitted pro hac vice)
Ted Normand (admitted pro hac vice)
Sean Eskovitz (admitted pro hac vice)

Attorneys for The SCO Group, Inc.

By: _____[stipulation]____
SNELL & WILMER LLP
Alan L. Sullivan
Todd M. Shaughnessy

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE
Evan R. Chesler
David R. Marriott
Attorneys for IBM


  


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Links and discoveries here, please
Authored by: inode_buddha on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 06:10 AM EDT
Any background on the new attorneys?

---
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price." --
Richard M. Stallman

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It's 11/23 for SCO, 1/14 for IBM
Authored by: mitphd on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 06:28 AM EDT
I'm afraid the commentary above is wrong. The Nov. 23 date is for SCO to file
both of its responses, and Jan. 14 is when IBM files its replies. SCO has
nothing to do on Jan. 14.

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Correction (?)
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 06:34 AM EDT
The copyright counterclaim was the tenth, IIRC, and not the eigth.

Of course, the original document could be wrong.

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Corrections Here
Authored by: Steve Martin on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 06:35 AM EDT
Should " is they way it is" be perhaps "is the way it is"?

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports
Night"

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More Delay in SCO v. IBM -- on Briefs on IBM's Motions RE Breach of Contract and Counterclaim fo
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 06:40 AM EDT
Typo:
Ironically it's in the statement about a typo:
"And the misspelling of Infringement as Infringment in the titles is they
way it is."
I think "they" should be "the".


M.

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More Delay in SCO v. IBM -- on Briefs on IBM's Motions RE Breach of Contract and Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement
Authored by: blacklight on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 07:07 AM EDT
"Maybe SCO threatened more motions if it didn't get another delay" PJ

That's an empty threat: IBM has done a bang up job of dealing effectively with
anything that SCOG has thrown at IBM, including the torrent of motions we've
been treated to in the last few months. In addition, judge Wells has shown a way
to shut the switch on SCOG's perpetual motion machine: she notified all parties
that she was no longer accepting any motions. Finally, the repetitiveness of
SCOG's motions simply reinforce the effectiveness of judge Kimball's use of the
phrase "this court has been fully briefed" every time he renders
decisions, in particular decisions that are adverse to SCOG's fortunes. If
SCOG's purpose is to clog the docket, it's not even working: judge Kimball
simply skims SCOG's pleadings for new material, of which there is very little to
nothing. SCOG's Flush-o-matic torrent of motions does annoy groklaw's
transcription team though, but their response is analysis that is even more
incisive and makes groklaw the Open Source community site that SCOG views with
fear, loathing and envy.

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any insights as to why IBM would agree to this? n/t
Authored by: NemesisNL on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 07:21 AM EDT

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This Means an Extra Month Delay for SCO - not too big a deal
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 08:07 AM EDT
This means SCO has an extra month to come up with something. This is not
that big a deal. It's like taking extra time to watch a worm wriggle on the
hook before you cast it on the sea as bait.

IBM has an extremely strong case against SCO on its copyright violation
counterclaim. There is nothing SCO can do to argue against it. It's guilty.

IBM has interviewed all the people directly involved in the contract with
AT&T.
They all go against SCO's new interpretation of the IBM-AT&T contract. SCO

has no case. It's like watching the inevitable guillotine coming down to cut
its
neck off.

[ Reply to This | # ]

Summary Judgement versus Dismissal
Authored by: elderlycynic on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 08:29 AM EDT
I assume that a judge can respond to a motion for Summary
Judgement by issuing a Dismissal, or is that forbidden by
some arcane rule?

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OT - Novell filing due Nov 8th
Authored by: Steve Martin on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 09:03 AM EDT
Novell and TSG have stipulated (and Judge Kimball has granted) that Novell may
have through November 8th to file a reply memorandum re: Novell's second Motion
to Dismiss. (If this has already been mentioned, please forgive the repetition.)

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports
Night"

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Is USA legal system broken?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 09:15 AM EDT
I know both sides agreed. But, it is clear that this case will drag on for at
least two years based on absolutely nothing except completely unsubstantiated
accusations.

Does that make sense?

Think of all that is involved. Untold millions spent in legal expenses on both
sides. Tax payers picking up the bill for the courts. Billions of dollars worth
of business decisions put on hold. Out-of-control monopolists, like msft, being
given free reign. Crimminal business practises: fraud, extortion, barratry,
slander, liable, Lanham violation, RICO violations, open defiance of court
orders - all allowed to continue unchecked.

Certainly the judges know that scox's case is based on absolutely nothing. Yet
they let the crimminal activity continue. If this is the best the judges can do,
then the USA system is clearly broken, IMO.

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More Delay in SCO v. IBM -- on Briefs on IBM's Motions RE Breach of Contract and Counterclaim fo
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 09:17 AM EDT
At the last hearing didn't the judge say something like he would be open to
granting SCO a 30-day delay when he denied their whining "Emergency
scheduling hearing" motions. I figure IBM stipulated to the delays because
teh judge said he was open to one.

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Hearing schedule???
Authored by: Totosplatz on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 09:46 AM EDT

I don't suppose any hearing has been (re-)scheduled?

Sometime out in February based on earlier events; right out to the once-seemed-so-remote, now-seems-so-imminent "end of discovery."

---
All the best to one and all.

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Off Topic Comments Here
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 10:01 AM EDT
You know, they have to be careful about all of these delays pushing towards the
end of the year. I hear that Christmas might come around again this December on
or about the 25th, and we know how surprised they were when it came last year.

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This could mean that SCO has agreed to file real responses
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 10:26 AM EDT
If you remember, IBM said it would have no problem giving SCO additional time to
respond to the PSJs, if the response weren't a request for delay.

[ Reply to This | # ]

SCOG Achieved Partial Delay Vicory
Authored by: NastyGuns on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 10:51 AM EDT

As I pointed out here SCOG has achieved it's delay of the PSJ's until nearly the end of discovery.

According to the IBM Timeline the relevant dates as I understand them are:

  • 9 Dec 2004, Scheduled Hearing on the PSJ for Copyright Infringement and PSJ for Contract violations. See docket #262.
  • 11 Feb 2005, Fact Discovery Cut Off. See the "deadlines" section and/or docket #177.

The new dates according to this agreed to stipulation pushes these two PSJ's back to nearly where SCOG wanted them. Granted it's not all three, but it is still a partial victory of delay for them.

It may or may not have an effect on the hearing that is currently scheduled for 9 Dec. There is the slight possibility that IBM intends to reply very soon after Nov 23rd (when SCO's replies are due); thereby allowing Judge Kimball to keep the hearing scheduled as is. IBM having only agreed to Jan 14 as a "just in case" clause. However, I don't see this happening because in my IANAL opinion Judge Kimball will most likely have to vacate the hearing long before then due to not being fully briefed by both parties.

---
NastyGuns,
"If I'm not here, I've gone out to find myself. If I return before I get back, please keep me here." Unknown.

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A Little Venting
Authored by: Adam B on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 11:00 AM EDT

Holy COW. How long is this going to take? I only hope this means SCO is actually going to try to fight the PSJs and not just whine more. I would like to have a judgment rendered in my lifetime, though. Preferably before my grandkids are off to college.

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Offtopic(kinda) - results of last hearing?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 15 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT
I doubt Groklaw missed anything, so I'm sure it hasn't been filed, but I'm
wondering if anyone knows what could possibly be taking Judge Kimball a month to
decide on the outcome from the last hearing on Sept.15th? This one seems awfully
important and I would think a decision on it will greatly impact the rest of the
proceedings. If SCO loses that one, they may just throw in the whole game.

Anyway, is Kimball on vacation or something?

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More Delay in SCO v. IBM -- on Briefs on IBM's Motions RE Breach of Contract and Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement
Authored by: elderlycynic on Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 05:29 AM EDT
What I meant is that IBM asks for a summary judgment in its
favour on claim X. The judge declines to give it, but instead
dismisses that claim from this case. I.e. without prejudice
to SCO bringing another case on the claim, but rejecting it
from this one.

Is this possible? It obviously is if the judge finds that
the claim is irrelevant to this case in some legal sense,
but is it also possible on other grounds?

The answer isn't obvious to a non-lawyer ....

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