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Declaration of Thomas L. Cronan III - PDF and text
Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 10:40 AM EDT

Here is another declaration IBM has submitted in support of its motion regarding the breach of contract claims, this one the Declaration of Thomas L. Cronan III. Mr. Cronan is an attorney and he negotiated on behalf of IBM the license agreements with AT&T. He is no longer an IBM employee, by the way, having left the company in 1992, so he has no need to worry about his job or anything like that and has no apparent axe to grind.

He tells us what happened was that AT&T liked to use one standard agreement for everybody, which is the same information that we've heard from AT&T representatives. IBM, Mr. Cronan says, wasn't happy with the standard agreement. AT&T assured them that the language didn't mean that IBM didn't have full control over modifications and derivative works. IBM insisted on language being clarified in a writing and it was.

This account makes it all fall into place for me. Here is what I now think it all means.

The piece that I didn't understand from the beginning is the strong AT&T desire to have all contracts the same for ease of administration. The BSDi depositions also help clarify, because I understand now that the commercial license was not the same as the educational license, and that the educational license came first in time. It was the original license. The terms had to change, because commercial entities would have different needs than educational institutions doing research with no intention of distributing software commercially. As the license evolved, some of the old language lingered for a while, but AT&T, during that transition period, would give assurances verbally and in writing when asked, and eventually, as we know from the $ echo newsletter, they decided to change the boilerplate wording so all the questions would stop and everyone would understand their intentions when it came to what commercial licensees could do with their own code, modifications and derivative works, that AT&T had no interest in anything but protecting their own System V code. They clarified the language, but their intentions, their representatives have testified and Mr. Cronan now confirms, were always the same. That seems to make the most sense, from all that I have read.

But prior to that clarification, IBM sees language that it wants clarified, and they wanted AT&T to put their verbal reassurances in writing, so there was no doubt what IBM was allowed to do with its own code. AT&T representatives tell us now also that the further writings were a clarification, not a change in their understanding of the terms, and so they were happy to put it in writing.

Here is the heart of the matter, from Mr. Cronan:

"11. Our negotiating team would never have agreed to such terms. To do so would have represented a dramatic departure from IBM's practices regarding the licensing of third-party code and would have required IBM to change the way it developed products to ensure that it not allow any IBM or third-party code to be introduced into the source code base containing the UNIX System V code (however briefly) unless IBM was prepared forever to yield control of that code to AT&T Technologies. . . .

"14. Among the clarifications that we specifically requested the side letter cover was the language in Section 2.01 concerning modifications and derivative works. We wanted to make sure that there would be no question that IBM, not AT&T Technologies, would own and control the source code that was developed by IBM or developed for IBM by a third party.

"15. AT&T Technologies agreed to provide this clarification. According to its representatives, AT&T Technologies understood IBM's desire to retain ownership and control of its own source code and did not wish to assert ownership or control over any modifications and derivative works prepared by or for IBM, or by any other of AT&T Technologies' licensees for that matter, except to the extent that those portions of the modifications or derivative works contained licensed UNIX System V source code. . . .

"19. So that there would be no confusion, we told the AT&T Technologies' representatives with whom we negotiated the AT&T Agreements that IBM intended to include portions of AT&T's UNIX System V code in products with IBM code and to make changes to the AT&T code (such as by adding to it) and thus IBM had to ensure that the parties agreed that IBM had the right to do so, without forfeiting any rights (including the right to control) to such IBM products and code. AT&T Technologies' representatives advised us that they did not seek to preclude such activities. In fact, they assured us that the purpose of the restrictions imposed by the AT&T Agreements was to protect AT&T's original code and that IBM could do whatever it wanted with its own code so long as it did not use, export, disclose or transfer AT&T's original code (except as otherwise permitted by the AT&T Agreements)."

Simple common sense tells us that IBM would have had to change their entire method of development of software if they thought the license agreement meant what SCO now claims it means. And here is the salient point to me: IBM never made any such change. One of the ways you can tell what a contract was intended to mean is by the conduct of the parties subsequent to the execution of the contract. IBM never took steps to protect itself from the rapacious interpretation SCO now claims regarding the contract, and for sure they would have. They would have had to, would they not? And, on SCO's side, what about their conduct post execution of the contract? Do we see them monitoring over the years the code that IBM was writing? Do they even have copies of it, for that matter? Obviously not, or they would not need to beg the court for code from IBM. But if they had the right to control that code, would we not see evidence over the many, many years since 1985 that somebody was, in fact, exercising that control? Where is that evidence?

The meaningful words in paragraph 6 make a nice contrast with SCO's Mr. Chatlos, who says things about the Novell agreement like he never heard anyone say this or that. Mr. Cronan, in contrast, says, "Based upon my duties and responsibilities at IBM, including in particular my role in negotiating the AT&T Agreements, I have personal knowledge of the terms and conditions of the agreements and know what the parties understood them to mean and intended them to accomplish." He was there throughout the entire process. He discussed it thoroughly. He got AT&T to put it in writing. And he's an attorney.

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DECLARATION OF THOMAS L. CRONAN III

I, Thomas L. Cronan III, declare as follows:

1. I was employed as an attorney in International Business Machines Corporation's ("IBM") System Products Division from 1984 to 1992. During that time, I was involved in negotiating, on behalf of IBM, agreements with AT&T Technologies, Inc. ("AT&T Technologies") for the licensing of certain UNIX software and related materials.

2. This declaration is submitted in connection with the lawsuit entitled The SCO Group, Inc. v. International Business Machines Corporation, Civil Action No. 2:03CV-0294 DAK (D. Utah 2003). Except as stated otherwise, this declaration is based upon personal knowledge.

3. In 1984, I joined IBM as a law clerk and later became an attorney in the System Products Division. Thereafter, I held various legal positions within IBM until I left the company in 1992.

4. During the period I was an attorney in IBM's System Products Division, beginning in or about 1984, IBM sought to license UNIX System V software and related materials from AT&T Technologies. IBM was then licensing certain other UNIX software and related materials from AT&T Technologies.

5. I was involved in negotiating the agreements pursuant to which IBM licensed from AT&T Technologies UNIX System V software and related materials. Our understanding with AT&T Technologies is memorialized in the following agreements between IBM and AT&T Technologies, referred to in this declaration as the "AT&T Agreements":

  • the Software Agreement (Agreement Number SOFT-00015) dated February 1, 1985 (the "AT&T Software Agreement");

  • the Sublicensing Agreement (Agreement Number SUB-00015A) dated February 1, 1985 (the "AT&T Sublicensing Agreement");

  • the Substitution Agreement (Agreement Number XFER-00015B) dated February 1, 1985 (the "AT&T Substitution Agreement"); and

  • the letter agreement dated February 1, 1985 (the "AT&T Side Letter").

True and correct copies of these agreements are attached hereto as Exhibits 1 through 4.

6. Based upon my duties and responsibilities at IBM, including in particular my role in negotiating the AT&T Agreements, I have personal knowledge of the terms and conditions of the agreements and know what the parties understood them to mean and intended them to accomplish.

7. During our initial discussions with AT&T Technologies regarding the licensing of UNIX System V, the AT&T Technoloties representatives with whom we negotiated insisted on licensing UNIX System V software and related materials pursuant to a standard set of license agreements. They said that this was because AT&T Technologies had already licensed and distributed UNIX software and related materials very broadly and that they intended to license and distribute UNIX System V software and related materials more broadly still. For the sake of efficiency and ease of administration, they wanted to avoid having to draft different agreements with each of their licensees. In addition, the AT&T Technologies representatives made clear that they wished to license UNIX System V software and related materials evenhandedly; they said they expected to treat all of their licensees as they treated IBM.

8. Thus, the AT&T Technologies representatives at first presented us with a standard Software Agreement under which they proposed to license UNIX System V software and related materials, which were called the "SOFTWARE PRODUCT" or "SOFTWARE PRODUCTS" in the agreement. The standard Software Agreement granted licensees the right to use such materials subject to various restrictions.

9. For example, the standard Software Agreement that AT&T Technologies proposed to us contained the following provisions:

  • Section 2.01 granted licensees a "personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to use in the United States each SOFTWARE PRODUCT identified in the one or more Supplements hereto, solely for LICENSEE's own internal business purposes".

  • Section 2.05 provided: "No right is granted by this Agreement for the use of SOFTWARE PRODUCTS directly for others, or for any use of SOFTWARE PRODUCTS by others."

  • Section 4.01 provided: "LICENSEE agrees that it will not, without the prior written consent of AT&T, export, directly or indirectly, SOFTWARE PRODUCTS covered by this Agreement to any country outside of the United States."

  • Section 7.06(a) provided: "LICENSEE agrees that it shall hold all parts of the SOFTWARE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement in confidence for AT&T."

  • Section 7.10 provided: "Except as provided in Section 7.06(b), nothing in this Agreement grants to LICENSEE the right to sell, lease or otherwise transfer or dispose of a SOFTWARE PRODUCT in whole or in part."

As representatives for AT&T Technolgies explained them to us during our negotiations, and as I understood them, these provisions controlled what IBM could and could not do with the UNIX System V software products, primarily the UNIX System V source code, that we were licensing. I did not understand any of these provisions to allow AT&T Technologies to control IBM's use, export, disclosure or transfer of any software products or source code that we developed ourselves that did not contain any UNIX System V code. Our negotiating team would never have agreed to such terms. To do so would have represented a dramatic departure from IBM's practices regarding the licensing of third-party code and would have required IBM to change the way it developed products to ensure that it not allow any IBM or third-party code to be introduced into the source code base containing the UNIX System V code (however briefly) unless IBM was prepared forever to yield control of that code to AT&T Technologies.

12. As I recall, the AT&T Technologies representatives with whom we negotiated assured us that under the standard software agreement, IBM owned, and was permitted to use however we wanted, the modifications or derivative works that we created (or that others created for us) based on the UNIX System V software, except for the UNIX System V source code that might be contained within our modifications or derivative works. AT&T Technologies made clear to us that we could do whatever we wanted with our own original non-UNIX System V source code.

13. During the negotiations of the AT&T Agreements, we in fact raised a number of concerns with the standard agreements, including with this Section 2.01 in particular, and indicated that we wanted to make sure both IBM and AT&T Technologies had the same understanding. We insisted that AT&T Technologies at least provide us with a side letter clarifying certain provisions of the agreements, and AT&T Technologies agreed to provide such a letter.

14. Among the clarifications that we specifically requested the side letter cover was the language in Section 2.01 concerning modifications and derivative works. We wanted to make sure that there would be no question that IBM, not AT&T Technologies, would own and control the source code that was developed by IBM or developed for IBM by a third party.

15. AT&T Technologies agreed to provide this clarification. According to its representatives, AT&T Technologies understood IBM's desire to retain ownership and control of its own source code and did not wish to assert ownership or control over any modifications and derivative works prepared by or for IBM, or by any other of AT&T Technologies' licensees for that matter, except to the extent that those portions of the modifications or derivative works contained licensed UNIX System V source code.

16. This clarification is contained in Paragraph A.2 of the AT&T Side Letter:

Regarding Section 2.01, we agree that modifications and derivative works prepared by or for [IBM] are owned by [IBM]. However, ownership of any portion or portions of SOFTWARE PRODUCTS included in any such modification or derivative work remains with [AT&T].

The AT&T Technologies representatives insisted that this provision in the AT&T Side Letter was merely a clarification of what the standard AT&T Software Agreement was intended to mean all along.

17. We insisted that the side letter make clear that IBM would "own" its modifications and derivative works, because we believed the term signified the broadest possible scope of rights. In my mind, it ensured that we could do as we wished with modifications and derivative works of UNIX System V code so long as we treated UNIX System V code as required by the AT&T Agreements. It certainly did not give AT&T (or anyone else, for that matter) the right to control IBM's own code or code written by or for IBM, except insofar as that code might contain UNIX System V code.

18. As I understood the AT&T Agreements between IBM and AT&T Technologies, therefore, and as I believe the parties intended those agreements, the agreements impose no restrictions on IBM's use, export, disclosure or transfer of those portions of any modifications or derivative works of UNIX System V that were created by or for IBM and do not contain any UNIX System V source code.

19. So that there would be no confusion, we told the AT&T Technologies' representatives with whom we negotiated the AT&T Agreements that IBM intended to include portions of AT&T's UNIX System V code in products with IBM code and to make changes to the AT&T code (such as by adding to it) and thus IBM had to ensure that the parties agreed that IBM had the right to do so, without forfeiting any rights (including the right to control) to such IBM products and code. AT&T Technologies' representatives advised us that they did not seek to preclude such activities. In fact, they assured us that the purpose of the restrictions imposed by the AT&T Agreements was to protect AT&T's original code and that IBM could do whatever it wanted with its own code so long as it did not use, export, disclose or transfer AT&T's original code (except as otherwise permitted by the AT&T Agreements).

20. It is my understanding that IBM's AIX product includes some licensed UNIX System V source code. However, I do not know whether AIX is so similar to UNIX System V that it may properly be viewed as a "modification" or a "derivative work" based on UNIX System V. In any event, as I understand the AT&T Agreements, IBM is free to use however it wants any AIX source code, except for the UNIX System V source code or other licensed software products provided by AT&T Technologies that may be contained therein (except as otherwise permitted by the AT&T Agreements.)

21. I have been informed that the plaintiff in this litigation contends that IBM has breached the AT&T Agreements by improperly using, exporting, disclosing or transferring AIX source code, irrespective or whether IBM has improperly used, exported, disclosed or transferred any protected UNIX System V source code. Any such claim is, in my view, inconsistent with the provisions of the AT&T Agreements and with the parties' intentions.

22. Based on my role in negotiating the attached AT&T Agreements, I do not believe there is any merit to the plaintiff's contentions. IBM would never have entered into any agreement that gave AT&T Technologies the right to control IBM's use of source code that it wrote itself or that it licensed from third parties. That is why we specifically discussed this issue of ownership of our modifications and derivative works with AT&T Technologies in detail before entering into the AT&T Agreements. AT&T Technologies assured us repeatedly, and I believed them, that the AT&T Agreements were not intended to limit IBM's freedom of action with respect to its original source code and were intended merely to protect AT&T Technologies' interest in its own UNIX System V source code.

23. No one involved in the negotiation of the AT&T agreements ever suggested that the agreements would give AT&T Technologies (or anyone else other than IBM) the right to control IBM original code. It seems quite clear to me, based on the statements of its representatives, that AT&T Technologies' concern was the protection of its original code only. I have no doubt that the AT&T Technologies' representatives with whom we negotiated the AT&T Agreements understood that IBM would not have entered into the AT&T Agreements if AT&T Technologies had sought and insisted on the right to control any product or code that might in the future be associated with UNIX System V code, except insofar as it might include UNIX System V code.

24. I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

Executed: July 29, 2004.

San Jose, California

______[signature]______
Thomas L. Cronan III


  


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Corrections, if any, here please....
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 12:42 PM EDT
So PJ can find them easily.

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OT Stuff
Authored by: WhiteFang on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 12:43 PM EDT
.

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This is the bridge.....
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 12:43 PM EDT
Trolls lurk under here please......

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Off Topic Here
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 12:44 PM EDT
yes

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Declaration of Thomas L. Cronan III - PDF and text
Authored by: WhiteFang on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 12:52 PM EDT
Well,

As PJ says, the man was there the entire time, specifically addressed the issue
of control at the time {resulting in the side letter} and _is_ an attorney.

Chatlos' Declaration pales into complete insignificance by comparison.

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Solid evidence, yet again!
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 12:53 PM EDT
This seems to be an exact confirmation of what almost all the other witnesses are saying. Not entirely surprising, of course.

Issuing a side letter to clarify some contractual terms is quite a normal thing to do. IANAL, but I do get involved in things like this occasionally, and nothing here strikes me as in any way odd. It is very clear that IBM and AT&T were in agreement about exactly what IBM was getting, and in particular that any code they added remained theirs, while any original AT&T code was still the property of AT&T. Nothing remarkable at all to anyone who has ever been near contractual matters of the technical kind.

So yet again, the latest of a significant number of competent and experienced witnesses says the same thing.

Wny do SCO not just give up, the evidence is all so clearly against them?

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This further clarifies...
Authored by: Groklaw Lurker on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 12:59 PM EDT
and supports what the preponderance of the evidence from the other declarations
indicate, that no one at AT&T ever had any intention to retain any rights to
or control over any source code developed for or by IBM that was inserted in or
included with any IBM product that contained any of the licensed AT&T
software.

This evidence is now stacking so high that SCO may soon find it irrefutable.
Then, they will be left with no strategy but to request more time to do more
discovery so they can refute the overwhelming evidence arrayed against them.

Yes, yes, I know I'm sticking my neck way out trying to predict what SCO might
choose as a strategy, but I thought I'd just take a wild guess this one time...
:)

---
(GL) Groklaw Lurker
End the tyranny, abolish software patents.

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"Educational" licenses
Authored by: Peter H. Salus on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 01:03 PM EDT

It may be of importance to note that
"Educational" licenses were not merely for
educational institutions (as we usually
employ the term).

I think this may be important, lest some
moron employed by SCOG attempt to fudge the
line between the various licenses that AT&T
issued.

One has to keep in mind that the "Consent Decree"
entered by Judge Thomas F. Meaney on 24 January
1956 enjoined AT&T and Western Electric from
entering any business other than telephony and
telegraphy.

When, in 1973-74, there was a demand for UNIX
source, it was decided that this would be provided
to educational and research institutions for the
cost of media plus shipping.

Thus, on the very first list (30 July 1975), we
find The Children's Museum (Boston), the Oregon
Museum of Science and Industry, and The RAND
Corporation. We might stretch "Educational" to
include museums, but RAND was certainly nothing
but a DOD-sponsored research facility.

---
Peter H. Salus

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Gremlins?
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 01:09 PM EDT
PJ, there might be a nasty little gremlin at work. I have posted under "Declaration of Thomas L. Cronan III - PDF and text" by WhiteFang, but it does not show in threaded mode, only in flat mode. I have never seen that happen before.

Maybe the experts need to do a little bit of tweaking to the code?

I don't care about my post, but maybe others are also becoming invisible.

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Declarations of SCO and IBM
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 02:08 PM EDT
It's simply amazing to me the difference between the IBM and SCO declarations.
The IBM declarations are on point, clearly written and definitive. The SCO
declarations are muddy, and highly qualified.

The Judge can't help but notice.

It reads like IBM believes what they are saying and SCOG is trying to paper over
something.

SCOG has yet to have anyone who was there at the time and directly state,
"I was there we sold(or bought) the copyrights" or "I was there
and we intended for IBM to keep the code they wrote confidential."

---
Rsteinmetz

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."

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SCO is done - just a matter of time
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 02:45 PM EDT
Can't wait to see the new prosco website.

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Conspiracy theory time
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 02:47 PM EDT
One time there was a demonstration in front of SCO. I read some of the news
coverage about it.

Darl reportedly used his employees to mix in with the demonstrators carrying
signs like 'we want free software' and behaving in unbecoming manner in order to
make the Linux demonstrators look bad.

If the reporting on this demonstration is correct it was an example of someone
setting up props to deceive the observer.

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Question about declarations
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 03:43 PM EDT
How much do you suppose that the lawyers help edit these declarations, or do are
they not allowed to touch or influence declarations?

I am just curious in that this declaration sounds like it is coming from a very
well organized, thoughtful, and generally sane person; while SCO's is rambling
saying "I thought this and that.."

If lawyers help draft or edit (obviously not change statements of fact, at least
in IBM's case) that could go long way to explain why this one is so much better
than the last.

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Open Letter to Groklaw - Or Not?
Authored by: PJ on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 04:02 PM EDT
Please don't feed the troll, friends.

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Worlds fastest supercomputer runs Linux
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 04:17 PM EDT
I wonder if SCO have any plans to sue NASA over their new supercomputer -
10,000+ CPUs.

Way to go NASA, SGI, Intel and Linux for putting the US back on top of the
supercomputing pile.

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Good for goose should also be good for gander
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 05:52 PM EDT
PJ Ed Chatlos quotes:

he indicates that he negotiated until September of 1995

"SCO and Novell thereafter negotiated the Asset Purchase
Agreement ('APA') dated September 19, 1995." So right
there, he appears to be acknowledging that he wasn't
involved in the final stage of the negotiations, in which
case his not knowing about Novell retaining copyrights is
not, to me, significant.

PJ TL Cronan quote:

He is no longer an IBM employee, by the way, having left
the company in 1992

PJ, If one isn't significant then neither is the other,
seems like a bit of selective reasoning to me. That said,
I don't think it matters to Linux who owns the copyrights
since there is none of the V5 code in linux unless you
consider SCO's outrageous definition of derivative code
valid.

RJP

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guess I'm the one who's suprised.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 07:15 PM EDT
and a little disappointed.

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Summary of the case so far
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 08:52 PM EDT
1. Trade secrets: out the window.
2. Copyright infringement: out the window.
3. Contractual claims: out the window.

One of these days, a stand up comedian will come in front of a crowd and
entertain them with the following joke:

[Comedian]: SCO!
[Crowd]: BWAHAHAHAHA!

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Declaration of Thomas L. Cronan III - PDF and text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT
A really interesting footnote on this clarification of AT&T's intents.

I worked for DEC back in late 80's & early 90's during some of this AT&T
period, and was involved in a very limited way in the creation of a product
which would at some point in it's life be known as VMS/Posix. I was also
involved in the now infamous lawsuit of the USAF by DEC at the GSCBA regarding
the legalities of the USAF requiring AT&T SVID compliance in huge IDIQ
contracts (in this case for AT&T 3B2 midrange pieces of junk). The point
DEC had was, how could a specification for something proprietary possibly be
considered a dejure standard, specially given SVID licensing terms pulling the
various flavors (Ultrix, etc.) of UNIX under the cloud of derivative works.

My reason to intellectually connect this current affair with the IBM and SCO
battle: DEC in lieu of bidding Ultrix (a BSD/non SVID variant) had some desire
to bid VMS with a VMS/Posix 'personality'. This was one way of bidding to a
SysV based requirement. The POSIX kernel was based to some degree on SysV
internals and data structures, but was not, at the time, SVID compliant.
Eventually prior to shipping VMS/POSIX this code was licensed from AT&T (no
real effort was made to assess the derivative works issue). DEC's point in the
lawsuit was that the AT&T licensing terms and conditions (as cited by this
case) were worded such that DEC lawyers felt that there were serious risks to
losing the IP rights to even portions of the VMS source pool, and hence that the
SVID reference was for proprietary stuff. This was obviously too much of an
negative effect for accepting AT&T licensing terms and conditions around
derivative works of SysV. Given that AT&T was a competitor on the
particular contract in question, no one from DEC approached AT&T to ask for
a clarification of license terms and conditions. The GSCBA ruled that SVID was
close enough to an open standard, the USAF won the case, and AT&T won a huge
contract which turned out to be a bust for everyone involved. So I think history
has repeated itself somewhat. Someone misread AT&T intent (one could argue
whether correctly or not) and paid a price for it. This trial, their New
England attitude of "I know what's best for you.", and some of Ken
Olsens more stupid public comments about "Snake Oil" put DEC on it's
final road to obscurity if not demise.

Anyway, I think that SCO is not the only one to have come to the wrong
conclusion on what AT&T's intent was. In addition I don't think DEC will be
the only one to be on the wrong end of the legal stick on the issue of AT&T
intent. ;-) Just an interesting point in history, if not very compelling to the
issue at hand.... smashing this little bug called SCO who feels that they now
own all derivative works AT&T never intended to claim.

- How do you spell injunctive relief

W E L L S
(in the voice of the old RAID commercials)

assuming anyone who reads this blog is old enough to remember the old RAID
schtick.

Is there such a thing as a summary judgement against the plaintiff with
prejudice on all issues? What's the absolute worst that could happen to SCO in
the court? Obviously the company could go broke, but the executives have
already fled with all the money anyhow. I'd just be interested in whats the
worst case scenario for SCO.

mdw ;-)

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