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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 12:06 PM EDT

Here, like lightning, is IBM's Reply Memorandum in Further Support of IBM's Proposed Scheduling Order, as text, thanks to Groklaw's vengie. Thank you.

This is the scorcher that I already mentioned shows IBM's new style. I'll be fine-tuning the formatting, but I didn't want you to have to wait to read it while I doodle around with footnotes.

IBM's beef is simply this: they want to know what exactly is the code that is allegedly misused by them:

SCO offers no good reason why IBM should be kept in the dark about SCO's claims. SCO contends that IBM's proposal is unnecessary because IBM can learn all it needs to know about SCO's claims in the ordinary course without any special provisions being included in the scheduling order. (See SCO's Third and Fourth Points.) That is not true. IBM has twice moved to compel, obtained two orders compelling discovery and submitted three motions for summary judgment. Still, as of today, SCO has failed to identify the material that is at issue in the case.

Now, SCO is, they say, trying to sandbag them, and presenting a schedule that would inform IBM of that code, if ever, only after the close of all fact discovery, so IBM would be unable to do any discovery on it at all regarding their defenses.

UPDATE: I have finished formatting, so if you find any errors after 1:35 PM EDT, please let me know. Thank you.

**************************

SNELL & WILMER L.L.P.
Alan L. Sullivan (3152)
Todd M. Shaughnessy (6651)
Amy F. Sorenson (8947)
[address, phone, fax]

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE LLP
Evan R. Chesler (admitted pro hac vice)
David R. Marriott (7572)
[address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff
International Business Machines Corporation

____________________________

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH

____________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,
Plaintiff/Counterclaim-Defendant,

-against-

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff.

_____________________

REPLY MEMORANDUM IN
FURTHER SUPPORT OF IBM'S
PROPOSED SCHEDULING ORDER

(ORAL ARGUMENT REQUESTED)
Civil No. 2:03CV-0294 DAK

Honorable Dale A. Kimball

Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

IBM respectfully submits this reply memorandum in further support of its proposed scheduling order.

Preliminary Statement

In opposition to IBM's proposed scheduling order, SCO offers five reasons why it should be allowed to keep IBM in the dark about SCO's claims and deny IBM the right to prepare its defense to those claims. Putting aside the fact that SCO made no mention of these reasons during the parties' meet-and-confer, none of them bears scrutiny. There is no good reason why this Court should not impose deadlines for the parties to identify the materials they contend one another misused and then allow discovery related specifically to those materials. (See Section I below.)

At the same time, SCO seeks the entry of an order that includes three provisions that are unnecessary or inappropriate. As is explained in IBM's opening brief, SCO's proposal would (1) foreclose IBM's motion for reconsideration; (2) re-open the pleadings more than one year after they closed; and (3) require the parties and the Court to participate in a process that would invite unnecessary disputes. SCO's opposition papers do nothing to recommend SCO's proposed provisions. (See Section II below.)

Finally, SCO's opposition papers point out two differences between the parties' proposals that were not addressed in IBM's opening memorandum. These differences arise mostly out of SCO's last minute departure from the parties' tentative agreement with respect to the proposed schedule. SCO's effort to include these provisions in the scheduling order is nothing but a tactical ploy and should not be sanctioned. (See Section III below.)

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Argument

I. THE COURT SHOULD ENTER A SCHEDULING ORDER IMPOSING A DEADLINE
FOR THE PARTIES TO IDENTIFY THE ALLEGEDLY MISUSED MATERIAL.

As is explained in IBM's opening memorandum, we believe the Court should impose firm deadlines, in advance of the close of all fact discovery, for both parties to disclose the Allegedly Misused Material. That is, we respectfully submit, the only way to give both parties an opportunity to undertake meaningful discovery in support of their respective cases and to bring this litigation to an expeditious resolution without unnecessary, additional disputes.

SCO offers a laundry list of arguments, not raised during the parties' meet-and confer, why the Court should not enter a scheduling order that would require SCO to disclose the Allegedly Misused material.1 As is discussed below, SCO's opposition (1) distorts IBM's proposal, (2) seeks refuge in the irrelevant and (3) offers no good reason for the Court not to impose reciprocal disclosure deadlines of the kind IBM proposes. In fact, the arguments on which SCO relies are designed to keep IBM in the dark about SCO's case.

First, SCO's opposition distorts IBM's proposal. SCO contends that IBM's proposal is one-sided.2 (See SCO's First and Third Points.) SCO is wrong. As we have made clear to SCO, IBM proposes that the Court impose on both parties deadlines for the identification

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of the Allegedly Misused Material such that both parties are able to take discovery relating to the Allegedly Misused Material before the close of all fact discovery. We do not seek a scheduling order that requires only SCO to disclose the Allegedly Misused Material or that only permits discovery with respect to the Allegedly Misused Material disclosed by SCO. IBM seeks the entry of an order that would subject IBM and SCO to the same obligations.3

SCO also complains that under IBM's proposal "SCO's expert(s) would have to reach final conclusions regarding IBM's [alleged] misappropriation of SCO's material" (Opp'n at 12; SCO's Fifth Point). Here again, SCO misstates IBM's proposal. IBM proposes only that the Court impose deadlines for the parties to identify the Allegedly Misused Material. IBM's proposal requires neither that the parties rely on experts nor that any experts that might be used by parties finalize their expert reports before the close of all fact discovery. Under IBM's proposal, the parties' experts would need to reach final conclusions before the close of fact discovery only with respect to the identification of the source code and other material that is at issue in this case. That is no different from requiring final conclusions from an expert used by a party to respond to an interrogatory.4 SCO cannot credibly contend that it should be allowed to identify the material at issue in this case for the first time via its expert reports and after the close

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of fact discovery. The Allegedly Misused Material must be disclosed well in advance of the close of all fact discovery so that the parties can take fact discovery as to their defenses and focus on the issues to be addressed during the expert phase of the case. Not requiring the parties to disclose the Allegedly Misused Material before the close of all fact discovery would merely allow sandbagging.

Second, SCO's opposition seeks refuge in the irrelevant. SCO argues that IBM's proposal should be rejected on the grounds that IBM opposed SCO's request for certain AIX and Dynix discovery and on the grounds that IBM's proposal would not afford SCO enough time to review that discovery.5 (See SCO's First, Second, Third and Fifth Points.) While IBM believes the AIX and Dynix discovery SCO sought is irrelevant, the Court has ordered IBM to produce it, and we have produced, or will produce, it (subject to IBM's reconsideration motion). SCO made no mention during the parties meet-and-confer of needing more time to review IBM's production, and it is difficult to believe SCO really requires more time than IBM's proposal allows. In any case, that is unrelated to whether the Court should impose deadlines for the disclosure of the Allegedly Misused Material. If SCO believes it requires more time to review discovery than is provided under IBM's proposal, then the solution would be to extend the

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deadlines in IBM's proposal, not to leave SCO free to sandbag IBM by untimely identifying the material it contends IBM misused.

Third, SCO offers no good reason why IBM should be kept in the dark about SCO's claims. SCO contends that IBM's proposal is unnecessary because IBM can learn all it needs to know about SCO's claims in the ordinary course without any special provisions being included in the scheduling order.6 (See SCO's Third and Fourth Points.) That is not true. IBM has twice moved to compel, obtained two orders compelling discovery and submitted three motions for summary judgment. Still, as of today, SCO has failed to identify the material that is at issue in the case. If that were not reason enough to impose deadlines for disclosure of the Allegedly Misused Material, then SCO's opposition brief is. SCO's brief holds open the possibility of SCO's updating its interrogatory responses, and using its expert reports and other pretrial disclosures, to identify the Allegedly Misused Material for the first time at or after the close of fact discovery. Based on SCO's conduct to date, we can only conclude that it does not intend to disclose the Allegedly Misused Material until it is too late for IBM to take fact discovery concerning its defenses.

SCO suggests, without any meaningful explanation, that IBM's proposal is inconsistent with the Court's discovery and summary judgment rulings and with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. (See SCO's First, Second, Third and Fourth Points.) Contrary to SCO's suggestion, however, nothing in any of the Court's prior orders disfavors the entry of an

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order imposing deadlines for the disclosure of the Allegedly Misused Material. In fact, the Court's orders make clear that it believes there should be deadlines for the parties to disclose the Allegedly Misused Material. (See 12/12/03 Order ¶4 (requiring SCO to disclose the material allegedly misused by IBM); 3/3/04 Order ¶2 (again requiring SCO to disclose the material allegedly misused by IBM)). Nor is there anything in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure to undermine IBM's proposal. On the contrary, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure make clear that the Court can and should enter orders of the kind IBM seeks here. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 16 (providing that the Court may enter a scheduling order including "modifications of the times for disclosures under Rules 26(a) and 26(e)(l) and of the extent of discovery to be permitted" and "any other matters appropriate in the circumstances of the case").

As the Court is aware, there are millions of lines of code in Linux and Unix System V. SCO has long had access to this code. SCO has demanded the production of hundreds of millions of lines of AIX and Dynix code, and IBM has produced it. Yet, under SCO's proposal, it would not be required to identify the lines of code allegedly misappropriated by IBM until after the close of fact discovery. Thus, if SCO were to have its way, the only way IBM would be able to prepare a defense with respect to SCO's claims would be to assume that those claims address all of the code in Linux, Unix, AIX and Dynix and to prepare a defense as to hypothetical claims relating to every line of code under any and all theories of liability. Not only would be it unfair to require IBM to prepare its defense under such circumstances, but it would also be practically impossible.

In sum, unless the Court imposes a deadline by which the parties must identify the Allegedly Misused Material, then they may not learn the identity of the material they are alleged

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to have misused until after the close of fact discovery -- and potentially even expert discovery -- when it would be too late to prepare a defense to claims relating to the material. Imposing a final deadline, before the close of all fact discovery, for the parties to disclose all of the Allegedly Misused Material, ensures that the parties learn what each other's case is about at a time when they can take discovery necessary to prepare a defense.

II. THE PROVISIONS SCO SEEKS TO INSERT INTO THE SCHEDULE ARE
UNNECESSARY OR INAPPROPRIATE.

As is explained in IBM's opening brief, SCO's proposal includes three provisions not included in IBM's proposal. Nothing in SCO's opposition papers justifies these provisions.

First, SCO seeks to require IBM to complete by May 3, 2005 the production ordered by the Court on January 18, 2005. In its opposition papers, SCO concedes that there is already an order in place requiring IBM to complete its production by May 3, 2005. (Opp'n at 3.) That is reason enough to reject SCO's proposal: it is redundant. On top of that, however, SCO effectively concedes that its proposal would require IBM to produce by May 3, 2005, the discovery the Court recently ruled -- over SCO's objection -- that IBM need not provide before the Court decides IBM's motion for reconsideration, which may not be decided before May 3.7 Although SCO states (without explanation) that it does not "aim[] to 'foreclose IBM's motion for reconsideration'", it betrays the opposite objective in acknowledging that SCO "constructed its

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proposed schedule based on a May 3 compliance date". (Opp'n at 4.) Thus, there is no question that SCO's proposal would foreclose IBM's motion for reconsideration.

Second, SCO seeks to reopen the pleadings more than one year after the deadline for amending the pleadings. SCO contends that it need not establish "extremely compelling circumstances" to reopen the pleadings because the Court "already struck the prior Amended Scheduling Order". (Opp'n at 5.) SCO further contends that the deadline should be ignored because SCO wishes not only to amend its complaint pursuant to its pending motion but also "to propose further amendments to its complaint". (Id.) Contrary to SCO's contention, a showing of "extremely compelling circumstances" is required to reverse the deadline for amending pleadings. While the Court's January 18 Order struck the then-current scheduling order, it was plainly directed to future deadlines, not missed deadlines. In fact, the deadline for amending the pleadings was set out in an order dated September 29, 2003, not the scheduling order struck by the January 18 Order.

Even if (contrary to fact) the January 18 Order could be understood to make it easier for the parties to avoid the consequences of missed deadlines, there is no basis for allowing further amendments to the pleadings. SCO was given ample opportunity to amend its pleadings before the existing deadline passed, and it has done so, filing three separate complaints. The fact that discovery is incomplete is an insufficient basis for amending the pleadings, especially in the way SCO proposes (i.e., to assert a brand new copyright claim challenging conduct that SCO has known about for years and to make "additional amendments" that SCO has yet to disclose). It is one thing to allow SCO additional discovery with respect to closed pleadings (as the Court has). It would be another thing -- indeed, it would be

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inappropriate, we believe -- to allow SCO to reopen pleadings that have been closed for more than a year, especially where it has repeatedly failed to substantiate its existing claims.

Third, SCO seeks to require the Court and the parties to participate in monthly status conferences. SCO argues that discovery disputes have taken too long to resolve and proposes a special procedure, including truncated briefing and expedited hearings, to speed things up. (Opp'n at 6-7.) Putting aside the irony in SCO's proposal,8 SCO fails to establish a need for monthly status conferences. As stated in IBM's opening brief, the procedure SCO proposes would likely just invite unnecessary disputes.

III. THE TWO NEW ISSUES THAT SCO RAISES IN ITS OPPOSITION PAPERS ALSO
SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE.

As a result of SCO's last-minute gamesmanship, there are two differences between the parties' proposed schedules that were not highlighted in IBM's opening submission but that are featured in SCO's proposal.

First, SCO points out that its "proposed scheduling order differs from IBM's proposal in its deadlines for the close of fact and expert discovery periods, submission of expert reports, and submission of dispositive motions and related briefing". (Opp'n at 8.) What SCO fails to say is that the parties had a tentative agreement as to these dates until the afternoon of the

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day the proposed schedule was due to be filed.9 SCO rejected the parties' tentative agreement, without explanation, and submitted a proposed schedule referring to the tentatively-agreed-to dates as "IBM's dates" and returning to its original dates. While the differences between the parties' proposed dates are minor, SCO's gamesmanship should not be rewarded. The dates to which the parties tentatively agreed -- which are set out in IBM's proposal but are the product of compromise and are not IBM's preferred dates -- should be included in the proposed schedule.

Second, SCO complains that IBM's proposal "attempts to restructure" expert discovery by using new labels to describe the exchange of expert reports. The prior scheduling order described the deadlines for expert reports in general terms, i.e., "initial reports", "opposing reports" and "counter-reports". Because there is some ambiguity as to what those terms require of the parties,10 IBM proposes the use of more descriptive language based on who bears the burden of proof (a matter as to which there should be no dispute).11 Contrary to SCO's contention, there is nothing complex about IBM's proposal. It seeks merely to ensure that the parties and the Court are on the same page (as we told SCO during the parties' meet-and-confer).

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Whatever labels it employs, the scheduling order should be clear as to the parties' obligations regarding expert disclosures. IBM's proposal is, we submit, more clear than SCO's and therefore less likely to result in future disputes.

Conclusion

For the foregoing reasons, IBM respectfully requests that the Court enter IBM's proposed schedule as the final scheduling order in the case.

DATED this 11th day of April, 2005

SNELL & WILMER L.L.P.

___[signature]____
Alan L. Sullivan
Todd M. Shaughnessy
Amy F. Sorenson

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE LLP
Evan R. Chesler
David R. Marriott

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff
International Business Machines Corporation

Of counsel:

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION
Donald J. Rosenberg
Alec S. Berman
[address, phone]

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff
International Business Machines Corporation


1 In a footnote, SCO claims that IBM is wrong in asserting that SCO did not offer a reason for its objection to IBM's proposal. (Opp'n at 9 n.7.) While the parties disagree about that, not even SCO purports to have shared its laundry list of objections with IBM during the parties' meet-and-confer. It did not. They were plainly constructed after the fact to justify a strategy of hiding the ball.

2 According to SCO, IBM's proposal gives IBM "the advantage of a special discovery period after [SCO's] discovery must be finished", allows IBM "an additional three months to conduct unilateral discovery on SCO's claims", and constructs a "special" discovery period for IBM "to conduct exclusive discovery on its defenses". (Opp'n at 10-11.)

3 In a footnote, SCO states that "IBM's claim that its schedule imposes a 'reciprocal' discovery obligation on itself. . . is misleading" because "IBM has identified evidence purportedly in support of its counterclaims". (Opp'n at 10 n.8.) It is true that IBM, unlike SCO, has already properly disclosed the Allegedly Misused Material. But that does not make IBM's proposal one-sided. It signifies only that IBM's claims can be (and have been) substantiated, whereas SCO's have not been and cannot be.

4SCO states that "SCO's compliance with IBM's interrogatory responses will necessarily involve expert analysis". (Opp'n at 12.) If that is true, then SCO's experts will have to reach final conclusions long before the close of all fact discovery. SCO cannot base sworn interrogatory responses on non-final expert analysis.

5 SCO states, for example, that IBM has refused "to produce voluminous, relevant discovery for over a year"; "IBM has long failed to produce" discovery "relevant to SCO's claims"; and "[IBM's] discovery intransigence leaves it in an even less credible position to complain about the discovery schedule". (Opp'n at 10-11.) SCO further states that "IBM seeks a revised discovery schedule in which SCO has only half the time it requests to review [the discovery it seeks]"; objects that IBM's proposal "would completely undermine SCO's time and capacity finally to review that now Court-ordered discovery"; and suggests that under IBM's proposal SCO's experts would not have enough time to complete their work. (Opp'n at 10-12.)

6Specifically, SCO states that it "will supplement its discovery responses as information becomes available" and that "IBM will have a full opportunity to conduct discovery on its defenses during the mutual discovery period, and to further analyze its defenses during the expert-discovery and other pretrial period". (Opp'n at 11-12.)

7 If the Court were to deny IBM's motion for reconsideration -- which is premised in part on the fact that it would take many months for IBM to produce the discovery at issue in the reconsideration motion -- it would obviously not be possible for IBM to produce the material at issue on or before May 3, 2005. Many months of additional work would be required before IBM could make that production.

8SCO complains about the time it has taken to resolve discovery issues but overlooks the fact that it has repeatedly filed overlength briefs and redundant motions and that its own shortcomings in discovery necessitated two motions to compel, resulted in two orders requiring it to comply with IBM's discovery requests and triggered a stay of discovery. Similarly, SCO proposes that the Court set up a special procedure for dealing with discovery disputes but ignores the fact that the best way to avoid unnecessary discovery disputes is for the parties to identify the Allegedly Misused Material (which SCO seeks so vigorously to avoid doing) and limit discovery to that material.

9 The Court afforded the parties 60 days during which to meet and confer and reach agreement with respect to a proposed schedule.

10 The ambiguity arises in part from the fact that the case includes both claims and counterclaims. For example: Do "initial reports" include reports on counterclaims, including counterclaim issues for which a party does not bear the burden of proof? Are "opposing reports" limited to responding to issues raised in "initial reports" or may they also address issues not raised in an initial report such as issues as to which a party does not bear the burden of proof? What are "counter-reports" allowed to counter; can they go beyond the scope of "opposing reports"?

11 IBM proposes a three-pronged schedule: (1) the party with the burden of proof (whether claimant or counterclaimant) submits experts reports on issues as to which the party bears the burden of proof; (2) the other party submits responsive reports or reports on issues as to which it does not have the burden of proof; and (3) the parties submit expert reports responding to reports on issues as to which the sponsor does not bear the burden of proof.

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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that on the 11th day of April, 2005, a true and correct copy of the foregoing was served on the following by U.S. Mail, postage prepaid:

Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
[address]

Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address]

Robert Silver
Edward Normand
Sean Eskovitz
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address]

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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 12:53 PM EDT
Thus, if SCO were to have its way, the only way IBM would be able to prepare a
defense with respect to SCO's claims would be to assume that those claims
address &l of the code in Linux, Unix, AM and Dynix and to prepare a defense
as to hypothetical claims relating to every line of code under any and all
theories of liability.

&l should be all.
AM should be AIX

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correction: IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 12:56 PM EDT
word "come" should be "from"

from requiring final conclusions come an expert

should be

from requiring final conclusions from an expert

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More corrections
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 01:00 PM EDT
address &l of the code in Linux

should this be

address all of the code in Linux

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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 01:01 PM EDT
The fact that discovery is incomplete is an insufficient basis for amending the
pleadings, especially in the way SCO proposes a, to assert a brand new copyright
claim challenging conduct that SCO has known about for years 4 to make
"additional amendments" that SCO has yet to disclose).

a, should be (i.e.,
4 should be <u>and</u>

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Thanks Groklaw for showing the steps
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 01:17 PM EDT
Quite asside from the outcome of the case I really feel I've learned a lot about
the process or trial from reading Groklaw. The phases of trial so far and the
expectations for each phase have been really interesting.

Don't for a minute think that I now want to represent myself in anything like
this mess but its good to be able to think of a trial as more than the final
pronouncement by a judge.

Thank you to PJ, all the volunteers and Groksters who are bringing so much data
about this case to the world at large, so quickly. It's an education and I
appreciate it.


S

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Corrections Here...
Authored by: martimus on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 01:19 PM EDT

...so PJ can find them.

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Off Topic Comments Here...
Authored by: martimus on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 01:26 PM EDT

Off Topic here, please make links clickable:

(a href="http://www.example.com">example

and set Post Mode to HTML, and don't forget to preview your remarks.

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OT-Off Topic Here.
Authored by: DBLR on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 01:26 PM EDT
Please use link code to make your links clickable:

For example <a href="http://www.example.com"> Link
Text</a>

Set the Post Mode "HTML Formatted".


Charles

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is
a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin.

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Wow it's nice to read stuff I understand.
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 02:45 PM EDT
I just wonder why they weren't this clear and to-the-point from the very
beginning.

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Alternative Proposed IBM Schedule
Authored by: pdqlamb on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 04:14 PM EDT
Inasmuch as SCO(XE) has not, and apparently does not want to, specify which lines of Linux and/or AIX improperly infringe on which lines of Unix, IBM is forced to prepare a defense showing there is no improper use of SCO(XE) proprietary information or copyrighted material against a combinatorial number of possible infringements.

Insert a calculation supporting a very large number of man-hours here.

Consequently, IBM proposes to cut off all discovery December 31, 2005, exceeding even the delaying schedule submitted by SCO(EX). As IBM must prepare to defend itself against approximately 10^10^14 possible fraudulent claims, we submit a rational schedule to start pre-trial motions would be January 1, 2106. As an additional incentive, we ask that the moving party pay for any actions submitted between December 31, 2005, and January 1, 2106, both for the movant and the respondant, in cash, before the action will be considered by the court.

IBM promises to direct all possibly lobbying energies against any further extension of copyright. As all existing copyrights will expire before the start of trial, and SCO(XE) will be dust before discovery is over, we submit the case will be moot before it goes to trial.

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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 04:24 PM EDT
The fact that discovery is incomplete is an insufficient basis for amending the pleadings, especially in the way SCO proposes (i.e., to assert a brand new copyright claim challenging conduct that SCO has known about for years and to make "additional amendments" that SCO has yet to disclose). It is one thing to allow SCO additional discovery with respect to closed pleadings (as the Court has). It would be another thing -- indeed, it would be inappropriate, we believe -- to allow SCO to reopen pleadings that have been closed for more than a year, especially where it has repeatedly failed to substantiate its existing claims.

The above from bottom pg 9 and top of 10. That's got to be my 3 most favorite sentences from this whole thing. However, like my twin anon brother stated... now watch MJ Wells grant SCO everything they want. While I give her cudos for being well versed in law, I definitely do not agree with her decisions in this case so far.

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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: Samari711 on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 05:17 PM EDT
It sounds like IBM's lawyers are getting close to fed up with all the SCO shenanigans. my favorite quote is footnote 3:

It is true that IBM, unlike SCO, has already properly disclosed the Allegedly Misused Material. But that does not make IBM's proposal one-sided. It signifies only that IBM's claims can be (and have been) substantiated, whereas SCO's have not been and cannot be.

that one made me laugh

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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 05:22 PM EDT
SCO: You stole our gloves!
IBM: Which gloves?
SCO: erm... some gloves that we had.
IBM: Which gloves?
SCO: Our gloves.
IBM: Where did you buy them?
SCO: Can't remember you have them, you tell me.
IBM: We have lots of gloves, which ones are yours?
SCO: The ones you wear everyday all over the world. You musn't do that, you'll
wear them out. They're ours!
IBM: We wear lots of gloves all over the world every day. Tell me what gloves
you mean.
SCO: Those you are wearing right now.
IBM: Does it look like I have gloves on right now?
SCO: Erm... no, I guess the gloves have come off....
IBM: You see?
SCO: ...
IBM: Huh?
SCO: You stole our gloves!

... ad nauseam.....

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I REALLY want to see the judge send SCO's lawyers back to ethics classes
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 05:41 PM EDT
Reading all of the SCO vs IBM public documents, you get the impression that SCO
"thought" they had a treasure map, got their friends together to start
digging it up, only to find it was an illistration from a story book.

Now they are trying VERY hard to not let everyone know what a fool they were.
Reason for my thinking:

SCO first publicly claims copyright infringment by IBM and tried to show this
with alleged Unix code in Linux. It appears based on this code they lodged the
complaint with the courts. But the "evidence" was soon prooven false
by the masses.

SCO then tries to remove copyright claim, but too late, all their public ranting
about IBM violating copyright left the question to be answered.

SCO then asks for source code from IBM, IBM produces, SCO says it isn't enough,
asks for more, IBM produce more, SCO says it wants the kitchen sink. All this
without producing any evidence of any violation, but instead saying in their
legalize, it needs all it has asked for and more, to produce the evidence.

Now SCO wants IBM to be kept in the dark about the evidence until discovery is
over. This seems like a ploy to have the copywrite claims forgotten. ie: once
discovery is completed, anything SCO produced after that can't be used, so no
need to produce it and can get the copyright claim dropped without getting a
ruling either way.

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limit discovery to Allegedly Misused material
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 06:40 PM EDT
"SCO proposes that the Court set up a special procedure for dealing with
discovery disputes but ignores the fact that the best way to avoid unnecessary
discovery disputes is for the parties to identify the Allegedly Misused Material
(which SCO seeks so vigorously to avoid doing) and limit discovery to that
material."

I think that discovery needs to be related to the Allegedly Misused Material,
but does not need to be limited to that material. For example, programmer's
notes about a module containing Allegedly Misused Material should be
discoverable, and the programmer could validly be deposed about those notes.

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U.S. legal system
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 06:55 PM EDT

All I can say is, amazing.

A lawsuit has been kept alive for two years without a shred of evidence. Are we
supposed to be proud of that?

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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: producer on Wednesday, April 13 2005 @ 07:52 PM EDT
"IBM has twice moved to compel, obtained two orders compelling discovery
and submitted three motions for summary judgment. Still, as of today, SCO has
failed to identify the material that is at issue in the case."
Magistrate Wells is well aware of this and up to this point has done virtually
nothing to correct or justify it save the line about both parties "acting
in good faith."
Why?
For the same reasons she will do nothing this time.
What the judge will do, however, is give SCOXE, once again, just what they want.

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IBM's Response to SCO's Objections to Scheduling Proposal - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 14 2005 @ 08:03 PM EDT

With respect to the apparent tension between IBM and Judge Wells, I've learned that sometimes people can get more done by pretending to hate each other than by acting as if they get along.

It's a matter of brinksmanship. When most of the people involved in a situation are working to make peace, the assholes can make trouble wherever they want. When everything's teetering right on the edge of a cliff, everyone has to move carefully. And sometimes the best way to control the assholes is for a group of allies to move everything to the edge of a cliff as efficiently as possible.

In this instance, Judge Wells and IBM seem to have gotten the case to the edge of a cliff. IBM has a strong argument in favor of its motion for reconsideration with regard to discovery, and winning that motion will put some limits on the scope of SCO's potential discovery. It would also give Judge Wells an excuse to tell SCO, "last time I gave you broad discovery, I got slapped," which will at least allow her to raise the bar on future discovery requests.

It's possible that Judge Wells and IBM are doing all this just to foreclose SCO's option to threaten an appeal. Instead of SCO saying, "if you don't give us everything under the sun, we'll appeal," Judge Wells can say, "if I give you this, IBM will appeal. And they'll win. And I'll look like an idiot for letting you go as far as you already have. So shut up."

Maybe I'm just seeing a conspiracy where none exists, but we know that the Nazgul are smart, and I understand that federal judges also have a trick or two up the sleeves of their robes, too. And sometimes the best way to beat someone who's gaming the system is to start playing a bigger game.

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