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Latest Activity in SCO v. IBM Includes Joint Motion for More Requests for Admissions
Friday, December 09 2005 @ 10:03 PM EST

Now we're getting down to something that seems like some substantive activity in SCO v. IBM at last. At least hints of some. Discovery has felt endless in this case, and now, with the December 22 deadline looming for SCO, the parties have begun to figure out the What's Next part. There is more discovery of a different sort ahead, but the Search for the Holy Grail of allegedly infringed code is over soon.

So, after that, what happens? For starters, SCO and IBM have stipulated to lifting the restriction on how many requests for admission each side can have. It's now set at 25, as you can see in the original Scheduling Order [PDF] dated June 20, 2003 by the Magistrate then assigned, Judge Nuffer. The parties tell the court that isn't enough after all:

The parties have since determined that 25 requests for admission is insufficient to address the issues in this case, and therefore respectfully request that the Court enter an order, in the form submitted herewith, eliminating the limit on the number of requests for admission.

So far as I know, there has been only one such request so far, by SCO. At least, I see only one on Pacer's list. Both parties have also filed some sealed documents, and IBM has filed a redacted version of its Reply Memorandum in Support of Motion to Compel Production of Documents on SCO's Privilege Log [PDF], but I'll write about that separately. If anyone could please do a transcript, that would be lovely. If you can, please leave a comment that you are doing it, or whatever part of it you can do, and then send me the results, with a note as to whether you want credit or not, and if so, by handle or name. Thank you.

Finally, the parties have filed a Stipulation Re Scheduling Order [PDF], in which they agree to some grounds rules for discovery post the December 22 deadline. On page three, they have agreed that "neither party", in this case presumably meaning mainly SCO, can use post-Dec. 22 discovery to keep looking for infringing materials. Phew.

Now, getting back to the request for admissions: what is that? Law Dictionary, Second Edition, by Steven H. Gifis, defines it in a civil context like this:

In civil procedure, a request for an admission is a pretrial discovery device by which one party asks another for a positive affirmation or denial of a material fact or allegation at issue.

It's covered by Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 36. So the parties are presumably starting to narrow the issues, getting ready for trial.

But it's sort of like an airplane. It doesn't just take off in the hangar. First, the mechanics look it over, and put in the fuel, and it's cleaned and supplied. Then passengers and crew board, and then it taxies to the end of the runway waiting its turn, finally it starts taking on speed as it goes down the runway, and finally, it's airborne. We've been stuck in the mechanics-look-it-over part forevah.

Knowing Groklaw, I'm sure there will be an expert who will tell me that isn't the precise order, but it's just an analogy, to help you grasp a complex legal process. There's a difference here though. With an airplane, it's mostly a matter of adding things. With litigation, it's the opposite. The real purpose, or a chief purpose anyway, of discovery is to narrow the issues, to figure out what facts and allegations survive the discovery process. So I take this joint motion as a pleasant reminder that discovery is not eternal and we're moving on.

Here's how Rule 36 reads:

Rule 36. Requests for Admission

(a) Request for Admission.

A party may serve upon any other party a written request for the admission, for purposes of the pending action only, of the truth of any matters within the scope of Rule 26(b)(1) set forth in the request that relate to statements or opinions of fact or of the application of law to fact, including the genuineness of any documents described in the request. Copies of documents shall be served with the request unless they have been or are otherwise furnished or made available for inspection and copying. Without leave of court or written stipulation, requests for admission may not be served before the time specified in Rule 26(d).

Each matter of which an admission is requested shall be separately set forth. The matter is admitted unless, within 30 days after service of the request, or within such shorter or longer time as the court may allow or as the parties may agree to in writing, subject to Rule 29, the party to whom the request is directed serves upon the party requesting the admission a written answer or objection addressed to the matter, signed by the party or by the party's attorney. If objection is made, the reasons therefor shall be stated. The answer shall specifically deny the matter or set forth in detail the reasons why the answering party cannot truthfully admit or deny the matter. A denial shall fairly meet the substance of the requested admission, and when good faith requires that a party qualify an answer or deny only a part of the matter of which an admission is requested, the party shall specify so much of it as is true and qualify or deny the remainder. An answering party may not give lack of information or knowledge as a reason for failure to admit or deny unless the party states that the party has made reasonable inquiry and that the information known or readily obtainable by the party is insufficient to enable the party to admit or deny. A party who considers that a matter of which an admission has been requested presents a genuine issue for trial may not, on that ground alone, object to the request; the party may, subject to the provisions of Rule 37(c), deny the matter or set forth reasons why the party cannot admit or deny it.

The party who has requested the admissions may move to determine the sufficiency of the answers or objections. Unless the court determines that an objection is justified, it shall order that an answer be served. If the court determines that an answer does not comply with the requirements of this rule, it may order either that the matter is admitted or that an amended answer be served. The court may, in lieu of these orders, determine that final disposition of the request be made at a pre-trial conference or at a designated time prior to trial. The provisions of Rule 37(a)(4) apply to the award of expenses incurred in relation to the motion.

(b) Effect of Admission.

Any matter admitted under this rule is conclusively established unless the court on motion permits withdrawal or amendment of the admission. Subject to the provision of Rule 16 governing amendment of a pre-trial order, the court may permit withdrawal or amendment when the presentation of the merits of the action will be subserved thereby and the party who obtained the admission fails to satisfy the court that withdrawal or amendment will prejudice that party in maintaining the action or defense on the merits. Any admission made by a party under this rule is for the purpose of the pending action only and is not an admission for any other purpose nor may it be used against the party in any other proceeding.

A lawyer on Findlaw explains in plain English in a divorce context how a request for admissions works:

(2) Request for Admissions are points or facts that an opposing party wants you to "admit" but you may "deny" if the request is not true.

Your response of sworn written answers or your response of "admit" or "deny" must be filed with the court no later than thirty (30) days from the date the questions or requests themselves were received by your attorney. ...

You must answer these questions or request for admissions. If you don't, you may be sanctioned by the Judge. This sanctioning could include striking part of your side of the lawsuit or a monetary fine, you and/or your witnesses may not be allowed to testify, you may not be able to bring out certain evidence at trial, or you may lose everything you wanted to accomplish in this lawsuit....

In the case of admissions, if you wanted to deny the request, because it was not true or accurate, but did not do it timely, it will be taken as an admission, or true.

Will you object to these answers or requests for admissions? There may be grounds to object to certain questions or requests for admissions. However, that should not stop you from drafting your answers and responses. When appropriate, your attorney will file objections at the same time your answers or responses are filed with the court.

Here's a blank form [PDF] showing the general idea. And here's a sample form from California, just to give you the idea. And here's a real one from a DOJ case in Iowa.

More on point, here's a recent Utah case, Raiser v. Utah County, No. 04-4019, 6/1/2005, D. Utah, where a pro se party failed to respond to a request for admission within the 30-day limit and came within a hair of losing his chance to present his case entirely, as a result:

Rule 36(a) provides that "[a] party may serve upon any other party a written request for the admission" of the truth of certain matters. If the receiving party fails to respond to the request within 30 days, or within such other time as the court may allow, the matter is deemed admitted. Id.

Once a matter is admitted, it "is conclusively established unless the court on motion permits withdrawal or amendment of the admission." Fed. R. Civ. P. 36(b). The court may permit such withdrawal or amendment "when [1] the presentation of the merits of the action will be subserved thereby and [2] the party who obtained the admission fails to satisfy the court that withdrawal or amendment will prejudice that party in maintaining the action or defense on the merits."

The appeals court allowed the guy his day in court, mainly because he was only two weeks late, and the other side suffered no prejudice. Fed.R.Civ.P. 36(b) provides that amending admissions should be granted if it would promote presentation of the case on the merits, unless the opposing party shows that it would be prejudiced. In other words, it's hard to lose fundamental rights due to clerical errors, but really, never go to court without a lawyer, if you can help it. You won't know all the procedural rules and you are bound to goof. On the other hand, had this been a law firm instead of a pro se litigant, the court might not have been quite so lenient. The lower courts were not interested in the guy's arguments at all.

Prejudice in this context means that if the other side relies on what it believes it must prove and what it doesn't need to, based on the other party's admissions, if later it all suddenly changes, and the party that admitted something as true, or failed to answer with the same effect, decides to amend the admission and deny the truth of something after all, the other side finds it has to prove things it thought it wasn't going to have to prove. This can leave that party suddenly scrambling to find evidence and witnesses, who may not remember facts any more as clearly as they might have earlier in time. That could be prejudicial, so the court has to weigh such things. Basically, the court tries to be fair and to prevent gamesmanship.

Here's an earlier Utah case, where the court explains all that. Paralegals usually draw up requests for admissions, as you can see from this random resume. If you want to delve deeper, here are the Notes to Rule 36, about changes to it over the years.

What does it mean that the parties in SCO v. IBM want unlimited numbers of request for admissions? That this is a complex case, with loads of documents going back decades in some cases. Neither side wants to have to prove that a document they both know is valid is valid. Unless there is an admission, it will have to be painstakingly proven, fact by fact, document by document. So by having the parties admit to what can be admitted, it reduces what needs to be proven at trial. So the narrowing of the case has begun, and we may get a more normal progression finally.

Of course, as you may have observed, either side can object to a request for admissions, or move to object that the other side didn't admit sufficiently, so there are plenty of opportunities for motion practice fun a la SCO. We're not on the runway yet, so don't get impatient. And some serious lawyering is ahead, on both sides, I'm sure.

Speaking of SCO, it seems they filed something (#566 and 567) and then realized they goofed, so they quickly filed two motions to seal them, which the Court quickly did.

Here's the Pacer information:

566 - Filed: 12/06/2005 Entered: 12/07/2005
Reply Memorandum/Reply to Response to Motion
Docket Text: REPLY to Response to Motion re [537] MOTION to Compel Discovery filed by Plaintiff SCO Group. (blk, )

567 - Filed:12/06/2005 Entered: 12/07/2005
Memorandum (NOT to motion)
Docket Text: Reply Memorandum in support of [539] Objections filed by Plaintiff SCO Group. (blk, )

568 -Filed & Entered: 12/07/2005
Motion to Seal
Docket Text: MOTION to Seal re [566] Reply Memorandum/Reply to Response to Motion filed by Plaintiff SCO Group. (blk, )

569 - Filed & Entered: 12/07/2005
Motion to Seal
Docket Text: MOTION to Seal re [567] Memorandum (NOT to motion) filed by Plaintiff SCO Group. (blk, )

570 - Filed: 12/07/2005; Entered: 12/09/2005
Stipulation - Docket Text: STIPULATION RE: Scheduling Order by International Business Machines Corporation. (blk, )

571 - 12/08/2005 **SEALED DOCUMENT** IBMs Reply Memorandum in Support of 514 MOTION to Compel production of documents on SCO's privilege log filed by Defendant International Business Machines Corporation. (blk, ) (Entered: 12/09/2005)

572 - 12/08/2005 REDACTION to [571] Sealed Document: IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support of Motion to Compel Production of Documents on SCO' Privilege Log by Defendant International Business Machines Corporation. (blk, ) (Entered: 12/09/2005)

573 - 12/08/2005 **SEALED DOCUMENT** DECLARATION of Todd M. Shaughnessy in Support of Reply Memorandum in Support of Motion to Compel. RE 572 Redacted Document, [571] Sealed Document filed by Defendant International Business Machines Corporation. (blk, ) (Entered: 12/09/2005)

574 - 12/08/2005 STIPULATION & MOTION for entry of order eliminating the numerical limit on requests for admission contained in the Scheduling Order entered by Magistrate Judge Nuffer on 6/20/03 filed by Defendant International Business Machines Corporation. (blk, ) Modified on 12/9/2005 (blk, ). (Entered: 12/09/2005)


  


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OT Here, please
Authored by: overshoot on Friday, December 09 2005 @ 10:11 PM EST
It's always appreciated if you make links clickable HTML.

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Und Don't Forget Corrections ...
Authored by: alisonken1 on Friday, December 09 2005 @ 10:19 PM EST
... go below here

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Registered Linux user #296561
Slackin' since 1994 -
import std_disclaimer.py

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Hangar Queen
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 09 2005 @ 10:39 PM EST

But it's sort of like an airplane. It doesn't just take off in the hanger. First, the mechanics look it over, and put in the fuel, and it's cleaned and supplied. Then passengers and crew board, and then it taxies to the end of the runway waiting its turn, finally it starts taking on speed as it goes down the runway, and finally, it's airborne. We've been stuck in the mechanics-look-it-over part forevah.

Any aircraft that spends most of its time in the hangar instead of flying is usually referred to as a 'Hangar Queen'. This would seem to apply to the SCO-IBM case.

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"So don't get impatient"
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 09 2005 @ 11:14 PM EST

Who, us?

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I can see it all now...
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 09 2005 @ 11:55 PM EST
Requests from IBM to SCO to admit
1) They never had a case to begin with
2) They still don't have a case
3) They don't own the copyrights they filed
4) There is no contract dispute
5) Those millions of lines of infringing code were all blank lines
6) Blepp really didn't have a briefcase after all
7) Darl has a mouth and two ears and needs to learn to use them in that
proportion

...D

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IBM-572 has a spectacular precedent
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 12:52 AM EST
I don't know if any of you shared my concerns over IBM's chances of prevailing
in their motion to get SCO to turn over documents that SCO claimed
attorney-client privelege over. It seemed that SCO's arguments were not
completely implausible, and that they might have a a chance at prevailing.

IBM's Reply Memorandum, IBM-572, has put my fears to rest. It contains a
devastaing precedent.

It appears that SCO's predecessor in interest, the Santa Cruz Organization,
tried to make exactly the same argument in the Caldera vs. Microsoft case. You
recall that this case was heard in this same court that the current SCO vs. IBM
case is being held. The judge in that case, Judge Boyce, ruled that the
arguments were invalid, and forced Santa Cruz to hand over the documents. The
judge, speaking extremely forthrightly, said that Santa Cruz' only possible
motivation was to "prohibit discovery", that it actually had no
legitimate reason to attempt to exert the privelege. My reading of this is that
the reason that the privelege exists is that a company's lawyers should feel
complete freedom to discuss legal issues with the management of a company,
without fear that the information will be revealed to the company's detriment in
trial. Once the assets have passed to another company, that fear no longer
exists.

Precedents just don't get any better than this.

Also of note is the fact that SCO has offered to give up the documents, as long
as IBM does not construe the turnover of the documents to be a "subject
matter waiver". I think that means that IBM could see the documents, but
would not be able to use them in their arguments because SCO was still claiming
attorney-client privelege.

Anyway, I recommend the PDF to everybody. It's beautifully written, concise,
and devastating. I strongly look forward to PJ's promised article.

Thad Beier

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Latest Activity in SCO v. IBM Includes Joint Motion for More Requests for Admissions
Authored by: blacklight on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 01:17 AM EST
"On page three, they have agreed that "neither party", in this
case presumably meaning mainly SCO, can't use post-Dec. 22 discovery to keep
looking for infringing materials"

I was wondering why SCOG would make such a concession, but I take it that either
SCOG realizes that its gamesmanship in discovery matters has run its course or
SCOG has no intention of abiding by its agreement - the matter of the SCOG
lawyers' reading in court IBM's privileged emails is still fresh in my mind.


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them. And know your friends even better, just in case they become your enemies.

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Latest Activity in SCO v. IBM Includes Joint Motion for More Requests for Admissions
Authored by: blacklight on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 01:31 AM EST
I also wonder why SCOG would agree to anything that narrows the scope of its
litigation with IBM, because SCOG's objective since the litigation began
seriously has been to drive up the cost of litigation for IBM to the point where
IBM wants to settle.

I guess that the timing of the Novell litigation is already having an impact on
SCOG. I also guess that BSF has no intention of fighting for every inch or
centimeter of ground on SCOG's behalf, if BSF's fees continue to be capped. And
then there is the issue of IBM's motions for PSJ, which will be reintroduced the
minute the discovery period ends and which will drastically narrow the scope of
SCOG's litigation like it or not.


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Know your enemies well, because that's the only way you are going to defeat
them. And know your friends even better, just in case they become your enemies.

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Transcribing IBM-572.pdf
Authored by: maxchaos on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 02:31 AM EST
I'm starting at the beginning of the PDF. It's short, so I can easily do all of
it.

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query: reference to the APA
Authored by: thechuckster on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 05:25 AM EST

Just a query: the IBM memo goes into detail about the purpose of the APA (the Novell-SCO contract).

If the judge accepts that line of reasoning (it was only a transfer of the rights to sell Unix, not the actual Unix assets) does add any weight to Novell's argument that follows a similar line?

Could Novell stand up and say "in SCO.v.IBM you accepted an identical argument, relying on it in part to settle a motion - it should therefore apply here"?

Charles from Oz

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Admissions
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 09:13 AM EST
I gather that Admissions are like other discovery requets, they will not be
filed with the court unless there is some motion or other action which relates
to them or their content.

We may not see or hear much of them until the Motions for Summary Judgment
start.

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Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk

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Analogy...
Authored by: kenryan on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 09:17 AM EST
> ...it's just an analogy, to help you grasp a complex
> legal process. There's a difference here though. With
> an airplane, it's mostly a matter of adding things.
> With litigation, it's the opposite.

So it's like SCO and IBM are making a sculpture of an
elephant. Up 'till now they were looking for their chisels.
After 12/22 they start chipping away anything that doesn't
look like an elephant. When they're all done, Judge K
decides if it, in fact, looks like an elephant.

---
ken
(speaking only for myself, IANAL)

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The flaws in the system
Authored by: brian on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 09:37 AM EST
PJ...
"With an airplane, it's mostly a matter of adding things.
With litigation, it's the opposite. The real purpose, or a
chief purpose anyway, of discovery is to narrow the
issues, to figure out what facts and allegations survive
the discovery process. So I take this joint motion as a
pleasant reminder that discovery is not eternal and we're
moving on."

This is what I see as the flaw in the system and has
allowed SCO the abuses it has done. To me, IANAL and all,
a litigant is supposed to have some evidence of wrong
doing before filing a complaint and discovery is supposed
to simply be a means of supporting that evidence not a
fishing expidition like SCO has used it for. The question
is, if SCO can't show infringing code what action can be
taken by IBM to recover lost time and expense for that
fishing trip? SCO losing the case won't recover it since
they are burning through every cent they get on their
lawyer fees. I see SCO going under leaving IBM with huge
expense they could never get even from a bankruptcy court.

B.

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#ifndef IANAL
#define IANAL
#endif

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Airplanes...
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 10:19 AM EST
But it's sort of like an airplane. It doesn't just take off in the hangar. First, the mechanics look it over, and put in the fuel, and it's cleaned and supplied. Then passengers and crew board, and then it taxies to the end of the runway waiting its turn, finally it starts taking on speed as it goes down the runway, and finally, it's airborne. We've been stuck in the mechanics-look-it-over part forevah.

Knowing Groklaw, I'm sure there will be an expert who will tell me that isn't the precise order,

You tempt me... :-) But I'll let it go except for noting that there are LOTS more "airplanes" out there than just airliners.

Thanks for the explanations, and all the research you do.

Larry N.

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Latest Activity in SCO v. IBM Includes Joint Motion for More Requests for Admissions
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 12:04 PM EST
Well SCO. Where the beef? In case you did not get that. The proof ... the
millions of line of code. Can you show us say 100 line now? Maybe 1000?

<laugh>

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Airplane analogy is right on target!
Authored by: brian-from-fl on Saturday, December 10 2005 @ 07:19 PM EST

As far as analogies go, PJ, yours is a lot closer than you gave it credit for! Using another analogy: You hit yet another home run, PJ! Don't hold up at third base!

The real purpose, or a chief purpose anyway, of discovery is to narrow the issues, to figure out what facts and allegations survive the discovery process

I would also judge that the chief purpose of the mechanics' checkout, refueling, cleaning, supplying, and boarding, followed by the taxi and on to the runway, is to remove reasons why the plane cannot lift off and head directly to its destination and allow the airplane to make money.

And yes, this airplane is currently stuck with the SCO mechanics pretending to look it over, but in reality afraid to speak the truth... that the airplane is sound, fueled, boarded, and ready to be cleared for taxi and take off.

Those SCO mechanics don't know a wrench from Shinola. But they do know that when that airplane takes off it, its destination is a city called The End of SCO. They should never have even been allowed in the hangar, but for some reason the FAA (Court) gives them way too much credit and authority.

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