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IBM's Opposition to SCO's Motion to Deem My Deposition Taken in IBM As Well, as text
Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 07:49 PM EDT

Here's IBM's Memorandum in Opposition to SCO's Motion to Deem Third-Party Deposition in Related Litigation to be a Deposition Taken in This Case as Well [PDF], as text, thanks to Steve Martin. He has also done for us Addendum A, B, and C.

The "third party" would, of course, be moi. Had there ever been a subpoena served or a deposition taken in Novell, or if there ever would be, then this memo addresses the four dispositive reasons IBM believes SCO's motion should be denied.

By dispositive, IBM means that each of them, standing alone, is enough to dispose of SCO's motion:

First, the Court already allowed SCO more than five times the number of depositions presumptively allowed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Second, even if the Court had not already ruled that the deadline for taking depositions would not be extended, it could only be extended upon a showing of "extremely compelling circumstances".

Third, SCO has not shown, and cannot show, that Ms. Jones' testimony would be relevant (and thus potentially admissible) or even discoverable.

Finally, it is difficult to see SCO's motion as anything more than an effort to intimidate an individual with whose opinions SCO disagrees and to support SCO's continued efforts to re open discovery...

Good thing I'm too dumb to be intimidated. I'm sure that is what this is about, but I like doing Groklaw, we cover a lot more than just SCO, so I'll just keep right on, thank you very much, and besides, you guys seem to want to keep going and you make contributions, so we will continue, despite the harassment. For my take on all this, you can go here, here, here, here, here, and here. My, they must have made me mad. I had a lot to say.

In plain English, IBM is telling the court that SCO had plenty of time to depose me if it wanted to; its insinuation that there is some untoward connection between IBM and me -- unsupported by any evidence whatsoever, and unsupportable by any, because it is false in any case -- isn't new, so there is no excuse for SCO waiting until now to seek a deposition on that topic, when discovery is long over and summary judgment motions have already been argued; and I don't know anything relevant to tell them, so what would the legal excuse be for doing a deposition in the first place, if there is nothing discoverable to talk about?

Or as I earlier told you I thought, this is all so much legal silly putty SCO threw out there to see if it would bounce. And to slime me again and for the intimidation factor, as IBM points out.

Steve has tried something new in the pagination. As you know, sometimes the pages on a document don't match the page number of the PDF. Sometimes it matters, so Steve says he tried this:

There are dual page numbers on some of the docs; I did that so that folks who wanted to refer back to the official court documents could more easily find the sections being cited (especially with the transcript excerpts). The numbers in parentheses are page numbers in the PDFs of the respective filings, while the numbers outside parentheses correspond to the printed page numbers (where present) on the original document pages. So where, for example, the HTML of Addendum A shows a page number "65 (3)", this means it's page 3 of the Addendum A PDF, but the page in question corresponds to page 65 of the cited transcript as shown at the bottom of that page.

***************************

SNELL & WILMER L.L.P.
Alan L. Sullivan (3152)
Todd M. Shaughnessy (6651)
Amy F. Sorenson (8947)
[address]
[phone]
[fax]

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE LLP
Evan R. Chesler (admitted pro hac vice)
David R. Marriott (7572)
[address]
[phone]
[fax]

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff
International Business Machines Corporation

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff/Counterclaim-Defendant,

v.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff.
IBM'S MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION
TO SCO'S MOTION TO DEEM A
PROSPECTIVE THIRD-PARTY
DEPOSITION IN RELATED LITIGATION
TO BE A DEPOSITION TAKEN IN THIS
CASE AS WELL


Civil No. 2:03CV-0294 DAK

Honorable Dale A. Kimball

Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

(1)

Defendant/counterclaim-plaintiff International Business Machines Corporation ("IBM") respectfully submits this memorandum in opposition to the motion of The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") to deem the prospective third-party deposition of Ms. Pamela Jones, which SCO purports to seek in its litigation with Novell, to be a deposition taken in this case.

Argument

More than a year after the close of fact discovery, SCO seeks to take the deposition of a third-party, Pamela Jones, whose proposed testimony SCO has not shown (and cannot show) to be relevant to this case. SCO does so despite the fact (nowhere mentioned by SCO) that the Court already ruled that it would not entertain a motion to re-open deposition discovery. Even in the absence of that ruling, however, discovery could only be re-opened (by order of the Court) upon a showing of "extremely compelling circumstances". SCO cannot establish extremely compelling circumstances to re-open discovery or otherwise justify the relief it seeks. Thus, SCO's motion to take Ms. Jones' (or any other) deposition should be denied.1

In support of its motion, SCO insinuates that there is an untoward connection between Ms. Jones and IBM. (SCO Br. at 3-6.) This is false. SCO offers no support for its accusations, and there is none. IBM does not necessarily agree or disagree with Ms. Jones, whose views are her own. But we do not dwell here on these or other of SCO's assertions, because SCO's motion should be denied for at least four reasons, any one of which is dispositive.2

(2)

First, the Court already allowed SCO more than five times the number of depositions presumptively allowed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(a)(2)(A) (allowing for a default of ten depositions per side). But in so doing the Court made clear that depositions not taken by the long-passed fact discovery deadline would be "foregone" and that no motion to extend the deadline would be entertained. (10/7/05 Hr'g Tr. at 66 (Addendum A hereto).) Not only did SCO not take Ms. Jones' deposition by the discovery deadline, it did not notice her deposition or give the slightest indication of its wish to depose her before the deadline. Thus, the Court's ruling of October 7, 2005 regarding additional depositions and the discovery cut-off, as to which SCO did not appeal, forecloses SCO's present motion. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 72(a) (requiring that objections to a magistrate judge's orders be made within ten days and providing that "a party may not thereafter assign as error a defect in the magistrate judge's order to which objection was not timely made"). And the Court recently confirmed (in response to another of SCO's belated motions concerning discovery) that discovery is closed. (1/18/07 Hr'g Tr. at 58 (stating that re-opening discovery is not "open to question") (Addendum B hereto).)

Second, even if the Court had not already ruled that the deadline for taking depositions would not be extended, it could only be extended upon a showing of "extremely compelling circumstances". As set out in the Court's July 2005 Scheduling Order, the deadline for taking depositions cannot be modified except upon a showing of "extremely compelling circumstances". (7/1/05 Order at 4 (Docket No. 466); 6/10/04 Order at 3 (Docket No. 177).) SCO has not even attempted to show extremely compelling circumstances to re-open discovery — nor can it. Putting aside the fact that the proposed deposition testimony is irrelevant to any issue in this case (discussed below), there is no reason SCO could not have sought Ms. Jones' deposition well before discovery closed. Groklaw has covered this case (among other issues)

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since the spring of 2003, and SCO has been falsely accusing IBM of being behind Groklaw from essentially Groklaw's beginning.3

(See, e.g., SCO Letter dated February 11, 2004 (accusing IBM of providing funding to Groklaw) (Addendum C hereto).)4

Third, SCO has not shown, and cannot show, that Ms. Jones' testimony would be relevant (and thus potentially admissible) or even discoverable. Rule 26(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure limits the scope of discovery to "any matter, not privileged, that is relevant to the claim or defense of any party".5

SCO purports to seek Ms. Jones' deposition "to address . . . her participation in Novell's and IBM's conduct toward SCO and the content of her website relating to SCO". (SCO Br. at 1.) According to SCO, "Ms. Jones is not an objective commentator, but rather a vehicle through which opponents of SCO have conducted their case against SCO in the court of public opinion." (SCO Br. at 1.) Even if that were true (and, at least with regard to IBM, it is not), Ms. Jones' views and the views of other Groklaw commentators

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are their own. And SCO has failed to show that they are relevant here — despite its burden.6

Moreover, SCO makes no effort to show that Ms. Jones, a reporter, has personal knowledge of any issue in dispute, which she plainly does not.7

Finally, it is difficult to see SCO's motion as anything more than an effort to intimidate an individual with whose opinions SCO disagrees and to support SCO's continued efforts to re open discovery (e.g., SCO's Motion for Reconsideration of the Court's November 29, 2006 Order seeks additional depositions, and SCO's Objection to the Magistrate Judge's Order on IBM's Motion to Confine, if sustained, would require an extraordinary amount of additional discovery). Allowing SCO to re-open discovery at this juncture, when dispositive motions have been fully briefed and argued and the parties are preparing to make their final pretrial disclosures, would also be needlessly disruptive and unduly prejudicial to IBM, which has respected and organized its defense according to the scheduling order. For these additional reasons, SCO's motion should be denied.

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Conclusion

For the foregoing reasons, SCO's motion to deem the prospective third-party deposition of Ms. Pamela Jones to be a deposition taken in this case as well should be denied.

DATED this 27th day of April, 2007.

SNELL & WILMER L.L.P.

_/s/ Amy F. Sorenson____
Alan L. Sullivan
Todd M. Shaughnessy
Amy F. Sorenson

CRAVATH, SWAINE & MOORE LLP
Evan R. Chesler
David R. Marriott

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff
International Business Machines Corporation

Of Counsel:

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION
Alec S. Berman
[address]
[phone]

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff
International Business Machines Corporation

(6)

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that on the 27th day of April, 2007, a true and correct copy of the foregoing, together with the addenda thereto, were electronically filed with the Clerk of the Court and delivered by CM/ECF system to the following:

Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
[address]

Robert Silver
Edward Normand
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address]

Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address]
/s/ Amy F. Sorenson

_______________

1 Citations to SCO's Corrected Memorandum in Support of Its Motion to Deem a Prospective Third-Party Deposition in Related Litigation to Be a Deposition Taken in This Case as Well, dated April 5, 2007, are given as "SCO Br. at __".

2 SCO appears not to have served Ms. Jones in its litigation with Novell, though discoveryin that case closes on April 30, 2007.

3 Notably, most of the documents on which SCO relies in support of its motion were publicly available or produced to SCO long ago, before the close of fact discovery. (See, e.g., SCO's Ex. 6 (dated 2/12/04); SCO's Ex. 7 (dated 1/10/06); SCO's Ex. 10 (produced to SCO on 5/5/06); SCO's Ex. 11 (produced to SCO on 5/5/06); SCO's Ex. 12 (produced to SCO on 5/18/06); SCO's Ex. 14 (dated 12/9/03); SCO's Ex. 17 (dated 8/16/04); SCO's Ex. 18 (dated 8/13/04); SCO's Ex. 19 (dated 8/13/04); SCO's Ex. 21 (dated 3/26/04); SCO's Ex. 22 (dated 3/26/04); SCO's Ex. 23 (dated 3/30/04).)

4 Courts have refused to allow modifications to scheduling orders under the lesser "good cause" standard based on circumstances far more deserving of a modification of the scheduling order than those at issue here. See, e.g., Marcin Eng'g, LLC v. Founders at Grizzly Ranch, LLC, 219 F.R.D. 516, 520-21 (D. Colo. 2003) (refusing to re-open expert discovery four months after scheduling order deadline had passed, despite facts that plaintiff obtained new counsel in the interim and that the proposed discovery related to a "critical issue" in the case).

5 While the federal rules allow for broad and liberal discovery, they do not allow discovery upon topics that have no bearing on the claims at issue and could never lead to admissible evidence. "[T]he requirement of Rule 26(b)(1) that the material sought in discovery be 'relevant' should be firmly applied, and the district courts should not neglect their power to restrict discovery where 'justice requires'." Herbert v. Lando, 441 U.S. 153, 177 (1979).

6 SCO suggests that Ms. Jones may have relevant testimony because: (1) the OSDL (of which IBM is a member) contributed money to Groklaw; (2) IBM has contributed to ibiblio, which hosts Groklaw; and (3) IBM provided Ms. Jones with a copy of some of its filings. (SCO Br. at 3-6.) SCO is mistaken. During this lawsuit, the OSDL has been comprised of more than 75 members, including SCO. (See SCO's Ex. 12 at 2.) Ibiblio is a research project, which has hosted many websites. And, it is not uncommon for a litigant to provide a reporter with a courtesy copy of a non-confidential document, as SCO has likely done in this very dispute.

7 Where, as here, "relevancy is not apparent, . . . it is the burden of the party seeking discovery to show the relevancy of the discovery request". Mike v. Dymon, Inc., No. 95-2405, 1996 WL 674007, at *4 (D. Kan. Nov. 14, 1996) (Addendum D hereto). Where deposition testimony sought is "merely tangential" to a claim, discovery is often denied on grounds of irrelevance. See Glaxosmithkline Consumer Healthcare, L.P. v. Merix Pharm. Corp., No. 05436, 2007 WL 1051759, at *4 (D. Utah April 2, 2007) (Addendum D hereto); see also Thomas v. Int'l Bus. Machs., 48 F.3d 478, 483 (10th Cir. 1995) (upholding protective order barring deposition where proposed witness "lacked personal knowledge" of the relevant facts).

(7)

INDEX TO ADDENDA

Addendum A: October 7, 2005 Hearing Transcript
Addendum B: January 18, 2007 Hearing Transcript
Addendum C: February 11, 2004 Letter from Kevin McBride to Todd Shaughnessy
Addendum D: Unpublished Opinions

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***************************************

Addendum A

(1)

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH, CENTRAL DIVISION

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff,

vs.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant.
Case 2:03-CV-294

BEFORE THE HONORABLE DALE A. KIMBALL
OCTOBER 7, 2005
REPORTERS' TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
MOTION HEARING

Reported by: KELLY BROWN, HICKEN CSR, RPR, RMR

(2)

allowed additional days with existing SCO witnesses rather than just additional deposition. That's not why we're trying to have extra -- things in an uneven way, but rather because as SCO says in its papers, there are a lot more IBM people to depose than SCO people. There are fewer SCO people who have more information which will take longer to develop. And for that reason, we request the motion be denied. Thank you.

MR. SINGER: Very briefly, Your Honor. The 40 depositions per side figures were arrived at before any counterclaims were asserted by IBM. They asserted at least 10. The withdrawal of three patent counterclaims does not deal with the fact that they've asserted additional counterclaims dealing with copyright and other things which expanded beyond the original 40. We believe we've made a specific showing, and the material will be provided as to why we need additional depositions.

The fact that a lot of depositions haven't been taken in the front end reflects the normal course of litigation ifyou're wanting to review the documents before you take the depositions. And most of those documents are documents that have been produced within the last several months. There is no reason why the Court should not extend the number of depositions since we are not extending the time in which the depositions should be complete.

THE COURT: I am going to increase the number of

65 (3)

allowable depositions by 10 as to each side with this requirement, that they are to be completed within the alotted cut-off day. To the extent that they cannot be, they must be foregone because we will not entertain any motion for an extension of time to complete depositions.

Additionally, Mr. Marriott, I'm going to deny your request for additional time with them and hold both sides to the seven-hour requirement.

All right. Now, is there anything further of a substantive nature that we need to address?

MR. MARRIOTT: None here, Your Honor.

MR. SINGER: None here, Your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. I think we need to talk about the dates.

Mr. Marriott, with regard to the -- or Mr. Shaughnessy, whoever's going to deal with this, with regard to the 20 developers whose information you're going to provide, how much time do you reasonably need to provide that?

MR. MARRIOTT: I think if we had 60 days, Your Honor, we could do that. And if it is the people who are on the list that we already have, it would be useful to know that now because we could begin immediately on that.

MR. SINGER: Well, we'll need to look at the list and see which 20, since that's the number which is provided, the ones that are more significant.

66 (4)

*********************************

Addendum B

(1)

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF UTAH
CENTRAL DIVISION

THE SCO GROUP, INC., )
Plaintiff/Counterclaim-Defendant,
)
vs.)Case No.
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS)2:03-CV-294DAK
MACHINES CORPORATION,)
Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff,
)
_______________________________________)



BEFORE THE HONORABLE BROOKE C. WELLS
-----------------------------------
January 18, 2007
Motion Hearing

REPORTED BY: Patti Walker, CSR, RPR, CP
[address]

1 (2)

MR. SHAUGHNESSY: Nothing further, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Now I'm going to ask you, Mr. Shaughnessy, to answer that question: What if anything is IBM willing to do or do you have an obligation --

MR. SHAUGHNESSY: Your Honor, the day for asking for that passed a long time ago. That discovery in this case is closed. SCO has had that now for almost two years. And they were the ones who came in and told you, Your Honor, that they had to have this and that it would have the very information you just described. We have given them detailed instructions on how to use it.

And what you haven't heard, Your Honor, very curiously, is SCO comes in and says, well, we haven't offered evidence that, in fact, you can find this in SCO. What they haven't done, Your Honor, is they haven't attempted to come in and say to Your Honor in some evidentiary admissible form, we tried it and we couldn't do it. But at the end of the day, Your Honor, that day has passed. Fact and expert discovery in this case are closed. To the extent that information was important for those purposes, it should have been investigated and looked into long, long, long before now.

MR. JAMES: Just, finally, Your Honor, and I don't want to drag this out longer than it has to be, but it seems to me that Your Honor has denied the motion in large part on Your Honor's finding and belief that the evidence is available, that

57 (3)

it's not lost. And we've heard Mr. Shaughnessy say today that it is available and it's not lost, although we have spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to find that kind of thing and we can't. They say it's easily findable. Then Your Honor says, Mr. Shaughnessy, how about IBM, what is their willingness to find that easibly findable information, and we get the, well, we've represented to the Court it's easily findable and we contend it's easily findable, and that's the basis for the Court's rulings, but a year or two late. Sorry, you're out of luck.

THE COURT: The standard I think is reasonably available. I am going to ask IBM, in the spirit of cooperation, Mr. Shaughnessy, to do what you can or have others do it to see if you can assist in identifying it. That doesn't mean that anything is going to change in terms of the deadlines and the scheduling order cutoffs. But if there is somebody who readily has that information, I would ask you to assist in doing that.

MR. SHAUGHNESSY: Your Honor, if the Court would like us to do that, I'm happy to undertake that. What I want to make sure we're very, very clear about, Your Honor, is that we are not reopening discovery.

THE COURT: I think I just said that.

MR. JAMES: I think Your Honor made that very clear.

THE COURT: I don't think that's open to question.

58 (4)

So with that having been said and, Mr. Shaughnessy, if you will prepare a proposed order.

MR. SHAUGHNESSY: We would do that, Your Honor. Would you like us to prepare orders on both motions or did you address an order on the prior motion?

THE COURT: I did not ask. I will ask SCO to prepare the order on the first motion.

MS. BORUCHOW: We would be happy to, Your Honor.

MR. SHAUGHNESSY: Thank you, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Thank you. And we'll be in informal recess. Thank you.

(Whereupon, the proceeding was concluded.)

59 (5)

*************************************

Addendum C

(1)

[Letterhead of Kevin P. McBride]

February 11, 2004

Todd Shaughnessy, Esq.
SNELL & WILMER, LLP
[address]

VIA FACSIMILE: [fax]

Re: SCO v. IBM

Dear Todd:

This letter follows our telephone conversations about how to best address Judge Wells' concern regarding litigation-related public statements. Our concern is that any agreement to refrain from such public statements should include not just IBM, but also affiliates and consultants that directly or indirectly receive financial support from IBM. This letter lists several persons and entities that, we are told, receive direct or indirect financial support from IBM. We would ask you to confirm if this is true.

Of principal concern is the Groklaw web site. It appears that Groklaw was conceived and launched by ibiblio.org in response to SCO's original filing against IBM. A fundamental purpose of the Groklaw website is to criticize SCO's litigation claims and evidence. Groklaw was taken to entirely unacceptable levels during the February 6 hearing before Judge Wells when a member of the gallery surreptitiously uploaded live commentary about the judicial proceedings to the Groklaw web site while the hearing was in process. This commentary included disparaging comments about participants in the hearing. We have been told that IBM is a sponsor of Groklaw and/or its parent organization ibiblio.org. If so, the Court has a right to know this in considering the scope of any order regarding litigation-related public statements in this case.

We are also concerned about the statements about SCO's litigation claims made by Linus Torvalds, who is employed by the Open Source Development Labs ("OSDL"), which is funded principally by IBM. Because of Mr. Torvalds' position in the technology world, his comments about SCO's evidence in this case are given particular weight in industry and popular press.

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We are also concerned about the many litigation-related statements made by Eric Raymond, who claims to be a paid IBM consultant, and by Columbia Law Professor Eben Moglen, who also claims to be an IBM consultant. Mr. Raymond and Professor Moglen have been highly critical of SCO's litigation claims. If paid by IBM it is only fair that they, along with Mr. Torvalds, be included in the scope of any stipulation or order regarding litigation-related public statements.

It is unlikely that Judge Wells would allow IBM's indirect use or sponsorship of Groklaw, Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond, Prof. Moglen or other consultants to publicly comment on SCO litigation claims, while precluding a response from SCO. It is therefore necessary for us to gain more information about IBM's direct or indirect financial support for these people and entities before we can meaningfully address any kind of stipulation related to litigation-related public statements.

I will be out of the country until February 18, 2004. I would appreciate it if you could address this issue with Mark Heise or Brent Hatch as may be necessary during that period of time. Please let us know if IBM is willing to voluntarily provide the information requested above as part of our continued discussions to resolve this matter to the Court's satisfaction.

Thank you very much.

Yours truly,

(signature)

KEVIN P. McBRIDE

cc: Chris Sontag
Ryan Tibbitts
Mark Heise
Brent Hatch

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"To dumb to Intimidate"
Authored by: WhiteFang on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:02 PM EDT
ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Good thing I had put my coffee down.

Thanks for the laugh PJ. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

:-D

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"SCO's response to IBM's statement of undisputed facts is largely a frolic and
detour into the irrelevant, ... "IBM's (Redacted) RM in Support of its SJ on
CC10

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Corrections here if needed.
Authored by: WhiteFang on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:03 PM EDT
:-D

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"SCO's response to IBM's statement of undisputed facts is largely a frolic and
detour into the irrelevant, ... "IBM's (Redacted) RM in Support of its SJ on
CC10

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Off Topic - OT here please
Authored by: WhiteFang on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:06 PM EDT
:D

clickies if you've got 'em.

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"SCO's response to IBM's statement of undisputed facts is largely a frolic and
detour into the irrelevant, ... "IBM's (Redacted) RM in Support of its SJ on
CC10

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IBM's Opposition to SCO's Motion to Deem My Deposition Taken in IBM As Well, as text
Authored by: JamesK on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:13 PM EDT
I get the impression that BS&F must have reading comprehension problems, if
they can't understand that no means no!



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Be sincere, even if you have to fake it.

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"Discoverable" evidence
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:22 PM EDT
Third, SCO has not shown, and cannot show, that Ms. Jones' testimony would be relevant (and thus potentially admissible) or even discoverable.

Could someone explain what discoverable evidence is?

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IBM's Opposition to SCO's Motion to Deem My Deposition Taken in IBM As Well, as text
Authored by: chaz_paw on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:29 PM EDT
We knew it would happen and it did. Ms Pamela Jones is now officially, formally,
and forevermore, a part of SCO vs IBM.

Priceless!!!

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Proud Linux user since 07/26/04
Registered Linux user #422376

Charles

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Short, sweet and devastating--to SCO that is...
Authored by: wvhillbilly on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:39 PM EDT
n/t

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What goes around comes around, and the longer it goes the bigger it grows.

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Well, will Wells well consider the "...as Well" memo as well? [nt]
Authored by: Aladdin Sane on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:39 PM EDT
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--Nicholas Negroponte, MIT Media Lab, rediff.com, Apr 2006

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Extremely compelling circumstances
Authored by: wvhillbilly on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 08:47 PM EDT
The only "extremely compelling circumstances" I see in this case for
SCO is they are about to go belly up, and I don't see where deposing PJ would
change anything in that arena.

Tough luck, SCO!

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What goes around comes around, and the longer it goes the bigger it grows.

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Dual Page Numbers
Authored by: Steve Martin on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 09:07 PM EDT
I should have mentioned this when I sent the HTML to PJ, but for those who have
noticed that there are dual page numbers on some of the docs, I did that so that
folks who wanted to refer back to the official court documents could more easily
find the sections being cited (especially with the transcript excerpts). The
numbers in parintheses are page numbers in the PDFs of the respective filings,
while the numbers outside parintheses correspond to the printed page numbers
(where present) on the original document pages. So where (for example) the HTML
of Addendum A shows a page number "65 (3)", this means it's page 3 of
the Addendum A PDF, but the page in question corresponds to page 65 of the
cited transcript as shown at the bottom of that page.

I hope that's clear and helpful.


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IBM's Opposition to SCO's Motion to Deem My Deposition Taken in IBM As Well, as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 09:07 PM EDT
Wouldn't the subject motion just be declared moot? My understanding is that all
depositions in Novell had to be completed by the end of April. If the subpoena
hasn't even been served by this time, I don't see how a deposition would ever
occur for Novell or IBM.

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Why is BSF bothering?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 09:56 PM EDT

To what extent is this just BSF filing motions for the sake of filing motions?

It seems increasingly unlikely that they will win any of these motions. In all likelihood, all these motions will be rejected. Are they just doing this to stay alive? Appeal grounds? For the junior lawyers to get practice? Justifying the lawyers fees?

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My Latest Moment Of Zen
Authored by: TheBlueSkyRanger on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 10:31 PM EDT
Hey, everybody!

A couple of days ago, I got an e-mail from an online friend of mine. Many, many
years ago, some friends of mine bought the Alien Autopsy video. They weren't
sure if it was real or not. That was when they decided to call in their movie
geek friend (myself). I can watch movies and pick out continuity gaffes. So,
if there was something that really tipped the hand of the filmmakers, I would
have a good chance of catching it.

So I watched it. It didn't take me long to have serious doubts, considering
what they were showing was not the way a real autopsy is conducted (and in black
and white instead of color!). But the clincher was two things, a blood drip
that disappeared and reappeared, and a radiation symbol that (I seem to recall)
hadn't been designed until well after when the film was supposedly made. I
declared the film to be as phony as a politician's promise.

The e-mail I got told me that the film was a total hoax, and that the propmaster
was the guy who did the animations for Max Headroom. Yet, the guy who
"originally found the footage" was contorting himself trying to
maintain that there really was alien autopsy footage, and he recreated it
because too much had deteriorated.

I see, in this, a metaphor for SCO's lawsuit.

Their insistence that they have proof and merit (that must be really good if
they have to resort to trickery to win) and explanations for being caught like a
rat in a trap would be comical if it weren't for the fact that it is hurting
very real people and destroying innocent lives.

Just like the video, people that don't know better weren't entirely sure and
intimidated. But those who knew the tricks found nothing credible on their end
and have worked tirelessly to point out the mistakes.

The sad part is, even with people stepping forward to say the video is a fake,
there are people who insist it isn't, including the source of the whole thing.
I worry that this is a permanent blot on Linux, regardless of how full of it the
people behind it are revealed to be.

Dobre utka,
The Blue Sky Ranger

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Unbelievably Ridiculous: Addendum C
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 10:54 PM EDT
What is wrong with these people?

Kevin McBride obviously thinks that he is being quite clever with his letter.
However, to me, it seems thoroughly childish. I had heard that a lawyer never
asks a question that he doesn't already know the answer to. I guess that that
doesn't work for McBride. It seems that he prefers to just randomly blab his
mouth, close his eyes and hope that somehow he will magically win his case.

No one who disagrees with SCO should ever talk again? Didn't they teach the
First Amendment at McBride's law school?

The whole thing is just so absurd that I can't even waste any more words on it.

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IBM footnote:SCO appears not to have served Ms. Jones in its litigation
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 11:31 PM EDT
SCO appears not to have served Ms. Jones in its litigation with Novell, though
discoveryin that case closes on April 30, 2007.
Just goes to show you cant server someone over the INternet. IBM gets it, why
doesn't SCO?

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Here, in full public view, is IBM's assistance to PJ...
Authored by: WirelessComGuy on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 11:52 PM EDT
...and it takes the form (in proper legal prose) of an adult, coming (as any
sensible bystander would) to the aid of a child being threatened by a mad dog.

"Hey, mutt. Get off 'er!!"


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IBM's Opposition to SCO's Motion
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Saturday, May 05 2007 @ 11:54 PM EDT
Like PJ I can't figure out what purpose this deposition would have served in IBM
(or Novell for that matter).

PJ has no direct knowledge of anything related to either parties claims.

It might conceivably relate to some violation of a judges order regarding
statements to the public or press, however as far as I can tell there isn't any
such order in this case. Wells seems to have merely to have advised the
attorneys to cool it or she would take some action, but she never actually
issued an order.

In Novell, it might be relevant to certain aspects of the claims relating to
slander of title, if some connection were demonstrated to Novell, something SCO
never seem to have discovered. Their whole contention such as it is seem to be
based on the idea that somehow IBM put Novell up to this by investing in Novell.
On the Other Hand SCO denies that Microsoft's interest in them, as sworn to by
Mr. Goldfarb, somehow has a similar effect.

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Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk

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Silliness And Depositions
Authored by: sproggit on Sunday, May 06 2007 @ 04:03 AM EDT
Yes, this really is very S.A.D.

Sorry, couldn't resist that. Two quick points to draw out here.

Firstly, I am sure that we had a situation in this case, just after the close of
discovery, that The SCO Group wanted to depose additional IBM Programmers. If I
recall correctly, there were motions before Judge Brooke Wells and as a result
of this TSGs motion was denied and they had to forego the last one or two
depositions that they had wanted to take. That was around the time of close of
discovery.

So now they come back for another bite of the cherry and want to take a
deposition [of PJ] in the IBM case. If my memory is not too defective and the
above did indeed transpire, did IBM miss the opportunity to point it out to the
Court? [As in, "The Court has previously denied TSG their request to depose
A. N. Other Programmer, which TSG failed to take before the close of fact
discovery. To allow the deposition of Ms Jones at this stage in proceedings
would effectively overturn this Court's earlier ruling and invite TSG to return
to the discovery they seem to enjoy so much."]

Can anyone correct me on the above?


Secondly, and a return to another favourite subject of mine - sanctions. PJ has
said that sanctions against a legal team do not, as a rule, come before the main
case is completed. So, notwithstanding some really outrageous behavior on the
part of the BSF that required immediate comment, we would not expect to see or
hear anything before the end of the trial. Except...

If one legal team were behaving in a way likely to earn them sanctions, is the
Court under any obligation to tip them off, to give them a warning? Is it
appropriate for the Court to speak out? If so would that be an in-chambers
conversation? Just curious, really.

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IBM's Opposition to SCO's Motion to Deem My Deposition Taken in IBM As Well, as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 06 2007 @ 09:27 AM EDT
"be moi"

Pigs in Spaaaaacccceee !

[ Sorry, couldn't resist ]

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Can't have been slimed yet
Authored by: TomWiles on Sunday, May 06 2007 @ 11:31 AM EDT
PJ, your quote:

"Or as I earlier told you I thought, this is all so much legal silly putty
SCO threw out there to see if it would bounce. And to slime me again and for the
intimidation factor, as IBM points out."

SCO is not dead yet, an only a ghost can slime you. If you do not believe me,
just re view Ghostbusters. You have to be interacting with a ghost in order to
be slimed.

Tom

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follow the money ..
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 06 2007 @ 12:26 PM EDT
Jan 2007: SCO partners with Team1 Systems, an MS Gold Certified Partner.

July 2005: MS Pipe fairy arranges cash infusion for SCO.

Nov 2004: Microsoft invests in Vintela.

April 2004: Sun Microsystems and MS settle lawsuit for a total $1.95 billion
going to Sun.

April 2003: Vintela an SCO division, goes independent .

Oct 2003: Microsoft encourages Baystar to 'invest' in SCO.

June 2003: Steve Ballmer and Scott McNealy have a friendly game of golf.

May 2003: Microsoft purchases a Unix license and patent rights from SCO for
$16.6 million.

Fev 2003: Sun invests in SCO.

April 2003: SCO announces it is suing IBM.

Jan 2003: SCO announces it is planning to sue Linux vendors.

Sep 2002: SCO withdraws from UnitedLinux.

May 2002: Renaissance Ventures invests in SCO.

June 2002: Darl McBride becomes CEO.

Oct 2000: SCO shreds 937 boxes of documents relating to the Caldera (now SCO) v
Microsoft case.

August 02 2000: Caldera acquires the Santa Cruz Operation (SCO).

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According to wikipedia, MS owns 25% of SCO. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix

Ed Iobucci on the Caldera board since 2000 is reportedly close to Microsoft.

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  • Hmmmm......... - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 07 2007 @ 07:54 AM EDT
A hint for your book PJ
Authored by: furkoolitter on Sunday, May 06 2007 @ 04:55 PM EDT
Like in "Truth is stranger than fiction".
The true part Pamela Jones and Groklaw.
The fictional part Indiana Jones and his "Quest for SCO's proof". Just
imagine Indiana in sandboxes (or sandpits)!

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Cynicism
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 06 2007 @ 09:33 PM EDT
What if this is just a ploy by BSF to force the judges to read Groklaw and then
claim they were biased by it?

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This is a disappointing effort by IBM
Authored by: vb on Monday, May 07 2007 @ 12:38 PM EDT


Here, SCO handed IBM plenty of material for a good lower torso chewing. IBM's
response was brief, logical, and to the point - but lacking a good lower torso
chewing.

I have no doubt that IBM will prevail in this legal matter. But I want IBM to
know that they missed an opportunity. I am very disappointed. I was looking
forward to a good read. It's not just about entertaining me (although that's
what I want), it's about demonstrating that bad behavior will be spotlighted
with a very bright light.

With this reply, SCO's bad behavior will fade from memory as more waste matter
in the latrine of denied motions. At least IBM could have provided a memorable
quote.

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