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Another twist in SCO v Novell - stipulated delay on objecting to 26(a)(3) lists
Wednesday, August 08 2007 @ 10:01 PM EDT

There's a stipulated delay on objecting to one another's pretrial lists just filed in SCO v. Novell. Whatever it was that the parties have been arguing about that they hinted to the judge they thought they could work out, well, I guess not. Surprise. Here is the filing, Stipulation and (Proposed) Order Extending Pre-Trial Rule 26(a)(3) Disclosure Objections [PDF] and the Proposed Order [PDF]. Also the court has approved [PDF] Eric Acker's addition to the Novell team.

Now, if you look at the pretrial schedule on our Novell Timeline page or check the latest schedule ordered [PDF], you won't find a deadline set for objections to disclosure lists. That's because normally you don't see it happen, in my experience. Who fights about the other side's witness and document lists?

I told you I smelled motion practice in the air when SCO and Novell both mentioned some ongoing disputes. I don't wish to assume it's SCO, just because it usually is SCO finding something to fight about that delays everything, but for a company that tells the media how eager it is to have its day in court, it sure does drag its little feet.

So something is up, very possibly related to the dispute about discovery that Novell told the court about in its last filing:

Novell notes that: SCO recently produced over 1,000 pages of third-party production SCO claims is relevant to this litigation; expert discovery is not complete; the parties have various evidentiary and summary judgment motions pending; and the parties are continuing to meet and confer regarding certain outstanding discovery issues. Novell therefore reserves the right to supplement or otherwise modify these disclosures.

Maybe SCO slipped one important document into that pile of 1,000 hoping it wouldn't be noticed. Or maybe Novell intends to object to 1,000 new documents after fact discovery is supposedly over. Most law firms would.

Or maybe it's about that footnote in SCO's last filing about somebody allegedly having waived attorney-client privilege on documents Novell listed as privileged:

In a letter dated June 28, 2007, counsel for SCO informed counsel for Novell that it has waived the attorney-client privilege with respect to many documents listed as entries on Novell's privilege logs, including documents that Novell produced in redacted form and documents that Novell has withheld entirely. With respect to most of these documents, the parties appear to be in disagreement as to whether there has been any waiver and, if so, the extent of its scope and the potential relevance of the referenced documents, but the parties are continuing to meet and confer on the issue. SCO reserves the right to supplement the information provided in its Pretrial Disclosures with any additional documents that Novell has improperly redacted or withheld based on its privilege objection, as well as with the names and contact information of any other witnesses identified through any such documents.

On the other hand, it could be something completely unrelated. We'll just have to wait and see. But if you are planning to attend the trial, you'd best stay tuned, in case there is another change in the schedule.

This all reminds me of something I keep forgetting to mention. I've seen some comments that Boies Schiller are fabulous lawyers when it comes to stretching cases out by means of various procedural delays. Not to detract from the honor you wish to bestow on them for their obvious skills which I guess you first observed in the IBM litigation, but the truth is all lawyers know how to do it. Really. If that's all you want, any lawyer knows how. Getting one to agree to actually do it is another issue, of course.

Procedural delays are not that hard, particularly if you have a patient judge. But even if you don't, you can drag things out quite a lot. Remember that dispute in Florida Boies got into about landscaping? Is that even over yet? It went on for about a decade, and it wasn't even about intellectual property, just a gardening contract. I seem to remember they went through 9 judges in 9 years, and at some point Boies was ordered off the case. Last I heard, the gardener Boies' client was fighting won a ruling that his legal fees were to be paid by the opposing party, Amy Habie. That was last December. Wait, the New York Times says it all began in 1996, so it's more than a decade. Boies writes about the Habie v. Habie divorce/custody case in his book Courting Justice, if you read it. But the nearly eternal dispute was about a contract later. Believe it or not, it was covered in Lawn and Landscape Magazine at one point back in 2004:

The Palm Beach landscaping company represented and partly owned by celebrity lawyer David Boies has racked up its fourth and fifth contempt of court citations, plus $81,000 in damages and fines, for "willfully, deliberately and repeatedly" violating court orders in an eight-year legal battle.

Nical of Palm Beach Inc. and co-owner Amy Habie -- Boies' employee, client, business partner and close friend -- also face the prospect of paying more than $1 million in legal fees, costs and compensation to the owners of a rival company, Scott Lewis Gardening & Trimming Inc....

Each accused the other of breaching the sale contract, and Habie sued when Lewis went back into business with a competing company.

They agreed to a settlement in 1998, but have been in court ever since over claims of violations. Nical has lost 11 appeals of adverse rulings but kept the litigation alive through the efforts of Boies and numerous other lawyers from his firm and firms brought in by Boies, Schiller & Flexner.

I guess the landscaping magazine covered it because the poor guy Lewis was a landscaper who didn't have the means to pay millions to fight in court for a decade, nor did he have a lawyer friend willing to donate services, so he was not able to afford to pay legal fees after a while and had to defend himself pro se, so it was a big deal when the court ordered that his legal expenses should be paid.

My point is simply that there are always ways of stretching things out and you don't have to be a genius to do it, just a lawyer. But you sure can make some judges mad if it's egregious in their eyes, and if they get mad enough, they can find ways to make you pay for it, one way or another. The reason for that is delays can cost money.

None of this is about SCO v. Novell, where there have been very few delays, if you think about it, and this one is stipulated. I'm just explaining how it all can work, so you won't imagine that delays are hard to achieve.

Here's the schedule now from the latest Order:

(a) The parties shall file and serve their respective Rule 26(a)(3) Pretrial Disclosures by August 2, 2007.

(b) A Final Pretrial Order shall be entered by August 9, 2007.

(c) The parties shall file and serve any Proposed Jury Instructions by August 16, 2007.

(d) The Special Attorney Conference and Settlement Conference shall be held on August 21, 2007.

(e) The parties shall file and serve any motions in limine by August 22, 2007.

(f) Any oppositions to motions in limine shall be filed and served by August 29, 2007.

(g) Any Daubert hearing (subject to the Court's agreement to conduct one) shall be held on September 11, 2007.

(h) A Final Pretrial Conference shall be held on September 11, 2007.

(i) The trial of this action shall commence on September 17, 2007.

And of course, to this the parties have now added their deadline for objections to each others' Rule 26(a)(3) pretrial disclosures. So that's the current schedule, maybe not so much carved in stone.


  


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Corrections Here, please....
Authored by: perpetualLurker on Wednesday, August 08 2007 @ 10:18 PM EDT

With a summary in the title would be nice...


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Off-topic, anyone?
Authored by: perpetualLurker on Wednesday, August 08 2007 @ 10:20 PM EDT

Please follow the directions for including clickable links on the comment
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And thank you!

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Care to discuss a News Pick?
Authored by: perpetualLurker on Wednesday, August 08 2007 @ 10:21 PM EDT

Please place comments on the news picks in this thread.

Thank you!

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A delay?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 08 2007 @ 11:28 PM EDT
Surely you jest!

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  • A delay? - Authored by: lordshipmayhem on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 12:39 AM EDT
    • A delay? - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 02:07 PM EDT
As long as Boies ends up a wanted man
Authored by: kawabago on Wednesday, August 08 2007 @ 11:29 PM EDT
In serveral states. And unwanted in many others!

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Interesting Side Note
Authored by: sproggit on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 01:40 AM EDT
PJ,

In your piece about the landscape gardening case, you mentioned that Boies
"represented and partly owned" one of the two parties involved in the
litigation. With that contractual relationship then, Boies was obviously going
to be more willing to donate effort to the case. (Effort that came in a variety
of forms, clearly).

I note with interest that Boies also closed a deal with The SCO Group and though
this may have changed there was, at least at some point, a part-payment in
common stock.

I wonder if this is more of a pattern than a coincidence?

Obviously, as in the "Two swallows do not a summer make" turn of
phrase, these are just a couple of cases from what would be a very long list of
transactions for BSF.

But it did occur to me that a lawyer representing corporate clients in
situations where future revenue was at stake - perhaps significant future
revenue in some cases - might be part of the BSF business plan. Go in, represent
the underdog, negotiate for a %age ownership of the company, win the case and
watch the company prosper, then continue to reap the benefits for years to come.


As far as I can tell this is an entirely legal, legitimate and reasonable
business practice, if indeed it is followed by the Firm.

I mention it only because it might help to explain to us why Boies was willing -
even keen - to take this case in the first place.

I wonder if any other readers have experience of either BSF or other law firms
regularly taking a business stake in the business of their clients as part of a
representation deal? Or perhaps someone can comment on the legitimacy of such
practice?

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When will Judge Kimball rule?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 04:50 AM EDT
All sorts of deadlines are approaching quickly or did already pass, and Judge
Kimball still hasn't ruled on any of the PSJ motions. Will he ever rule at all?
Should we send him a petition? "The 4.2 million undersigned citizens of the
world hereby petition this Court to issue PSJ rulings regarding the SCO lawsuits
really soon now." :-(

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What's the betting...
Authored by: DaveJakeman on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 05:13 AM EDT
...the trial actually starts on September 17th?

I can't see it happening myself, not after the likes of SCO vs IBM, SCO vs
Novell in arbitration, SCO vs others, no summary judgements, disputed rulings,
disputed evidence, disputed claims, disputed law, disputed disputes, discovery
pantomime, hearing tap-dancing, courtroom high jinks, BSF being BSF, SCO being
SCO and this being America.

I'd love to be wrong, but...

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sure about the former. -- Einstein

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    There's more fireworks yet, folks
    Authored by: elderlycynic on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 05:41 AM EDT
    My guess is still that Kimball will rule on the summary
    judgements (in the Novell case) by the end of August, or
    perhaps very early in September. What I am beginning to
    wonder is whether he will be definite or cautious.

    If the former, I think that SCO will collapse, and so will
    its cases. If the latter, we shall probably have a fairly
    confused trial, followed by a verdict against SCO, followed
    by SCO's collapse.

    But even a very cautious set of summary judgments will have
    SCO and their lawyers embarking on new adventures in the
    uncharted territories of the law ....

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    Isn't there a rule?
    Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 06:04 AM EDT
    Isn't there a local rule which sets deadlines for objecting to filings?
    Something like 10 days. I think I remember that, but I looked and couldn't find
    it.

    If that were the case and the parties think they can resolve the issue then an
    order giving them some time to work it out makes sense.

    I also wonder if the recently produced discovery was part of an agreement by SCO
    to satisfy one or more of Novell's issues and surprisingly Novell doesn't think
    they got what SCO agreed to.

    ---
    Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.

    "I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
    Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk

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    Motion Practice
    Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 07:48 AM EDT
    "I smelled motion practice "
    Could some one explain what a motion pratice is.

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    Delay, Delay, Delay...
    Authored by: Jamis on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 09:52 AM EDT
    Quite a few years ago, I purchased a new vehicle from a local dealer. Within
    the first 15 months, the machine had racked up 51 repairs for mechanical and
    electrical failures. At the time, my home state had no "lemon law"
    and the dealership management refused to take the vehicle back after the third
    day of ownership and refused to extend the 12 month manufacturers warranty. I
    took my problem to my attorney and he said I indeed had a valid complaint as
    documented on 14 pages of repair log. The gotcha (in addition to the $3K+ costs
    to bring the suit) was that I should expect to spend several years with this
    case. He told me car dealer lawyers were most adept at stretching a customer
    complaint out until the person got tired of the time and expense. He had one
    ongoing case with a leaky sunroof that was nearly 3 years old and the person did
    not even own the offending vehicle anymore. I decided I did not have the
    stomach, nor the funds, to pursue this tactic and traded the vehicle in on a new
    car and lived with the extra cost of a new loan. By the way, the vehicle
    manufacturer pulled the dealership franchise three months after I traded in the
    lemon. The dealership company went out of business immediately. Had I brought
    the suit, I truly would have been left holding the bag.

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    Lawyers Gone Bad
    Authored by: grw on Thursday, August 09 2007 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    Macleans Magazine recently published an interview and online followup< /a> with Philip Slayton author of Lawye rs Gone Bad: Money, Sex and Madness in Canada's Legal Profession. The Canadian Bar Association seems to be upset with him for some reason.

    Blurb from Penguin's website: "Philip Slayton spent 35 years as a lawyer. In Lawyers Gone Bad, he exposes the motivations and the stories of senior partners in influential Canadian firms who have illegally sustained expensive lifestyles, engaged in drug trafficking, been convicted of immigration fraud, laundered money, and been disbarred for having sex with clients. These are colourful, personal dramas that give insight into lawyers, legal practice, and how the law itself can fail or be twisted."

    This is about Canadian lawyers. I am sure that lawyers in the US and other countries are perfectly upright and honest. :-)

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