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SCO Files Its Objections to Novell's Jury Instructions/Witness List - Updated
Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 07:37 PM EDT

Of course, there are still more filings in SCO v. Novell, this time SCO's Objections to Novell's Proposed Supplemental Jury Instructions and Witness/Exhibit list:
451 - Filed & Entered: 09/05/2007
Objections
Docket Text: OBJECTIONS to Novell's Proposed Supplemental Jury Instructions filed by Plaintiff SCO Group. (Normand, Edward)

452 - Filed & Entered: 09/05/2007
Objections
Docket Text: OBJECTIONS to [382] Witness List(Proposed) (Novell's Second Amended Rule 26 Pretrial Disclosures) filed by Plaintiff SCO Group. (Attachments: # (1) Exhibit A)(Normand, Edward)

Novell filed its equivalent objections [PDF] yesterday with regards to jury instructions.

Update: Some have been asking what the right-hand column means on the Exhibit A. You'll see a lot of "Best evidence" listed. That is referring to the best evidence rule, meaning it's the basis for the objection. Let me refresh your memory on that:

You can find all the Federal Rules of Evidence here. Note that each rule has a number. You have to give a reason for objections, and that is what that right-hand column is doing. If you fail to object to a jury instruction, it can hurt you in an appeal, quite aside from naturally wanting the jury instructed favorably to your side. Here's an example, although in a patent context. The judge gives the parties the opportunity to file jury instructions and objections so as to help him formulate them in the most accurate way, but the parties can have a basis to appeal later if they think his final instructions, which he'll write in his own words, were in error.

So some of the language you see in the SCO filing isn't crazy off the map. I think, anyway, that it's setting up for the inevitable appeal. Here's a case where a court discussed jury instructions in its ruling. It's a Maine case, which isn't on point for Utah, but for our discussion purposes it will help you understand the overall point of jury instructions:

The purpose of objections to instructions is to assist the trial court in developing the most accurate and concise statement of the law possible for instructing the jury, rather than to preserve points on appeal. Where a party requests specific instructions and the court (1) explicitly refuses to give the requested instructions, and (2) indicates in an on the record discussion before instructions that the issue is preserved, the party's request and objection is preserved as a claim of error only if the issue addressed in the requested instructions is not contained in the court's instructions to the jury. See State v. Dumond, 2000 ME 95, ΒΆ 10, 751 A.2d 1014, 1017. Where, as here, specific instructions are proposed and the trial court generally covers the subject matter of the proposed instructions in its own language, a party must make a specific and focused objection after the instructions are completed and propose language to correct the perceived problem in order to preserve the issue for appeal.

I think you can discern that we have not heard the last of jury instructions in this case, not by a long shot. After the judge writes up the final jury instructions and reads them to the jury, we'll see more objections, I expect. Here is a case that talks a bit about the need to object to preserve the issue for your appeal:

Defendants argue Plaintiffs did not preserve their objection to Instruction 14 because Plaintiffs objected before, but not after, the court instructed the jury. See Smithv. Greyhound Lines Inc., 382 F.2d 190, 191 (10th Cir. 1967) (holding a party failed to preserve an objection to the jury instructions where the party objected prior to the court instructing the jury, but not after). Defendants argue we therefore should review Plaintiffs' claim for plain error. Smith relied on Dunn v. St. Louis-San Francisco Ry. Co., 370 F.2d 681 (10th Cir. 1966) for its holding. But Dunn did not require a party to object immediately before deliberations. See Dunn, 370 F.2d at 684 (stating that while the Court would "not say that an objection may never be properly preserved to a charge in advance," the objecting party must object with "sufficient specificity and distinctness"). Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 51 was amended after Smith specifically to allow pre-instruction resolution of objections to the instructions. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 51 advisory committee's note (1987). Plaintiffs sufficiently preserved their objection to Instruction 14 by objecting at the instruction conference and specifically stating as grounds for the objection that the ATV was an implement of husbandry legally on the road. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 51 (party must object to an instruction "before the jury retires to consider its verdict"); Gunnell v. Utah Valley State Coll., 152 F.3d 1253, 1262 n.5 (10th Cir. 1998) (plaintiff's objections at pretrial and instruction conferences sufficient to preserve issue); Abercrombie v. Osteopathic Hosp. Founders Ass'n, 950 F.2d 676, 679 (10th Cir. 1991) (plaintiff properly preserved pre-instruction objection by making clear which instruction was at issue and the grounds for objection). Consequently, we do not review this objection to Instruction 14 for plain error. Instead, we apply the usual standards in a diversity case....

"When considering a party's challenge to jury instructions, our initial inquiry is whether the party properly preserved that issue for appeal by objecting at the district court level to the instruction on the same grounds raised on appeal." Comcoa, Inc. v. NEC Tel., Inc., 931 F.2d 655, 660 (10th Cir. 1991); see also Fed. R. Civ. P. 51 (party objecting to a jury instruction must state "distinctly the matter objected to and the grounds of the objection"). A party's stated grounds for objection to a jury instruction must be "'obvious, plain, or unmistakable.'"...

Defendants did not raise Plaintiffs' failure to object on these grounds in Defendants' appellate brief. Plaintiffs argue Defendants have waived the issue, and we therefore should review this matter de novo. We decline to ignore Plaintiffs' failure to object on this ground before the district court. A properly stated objection puts the district court on notice that it may be committing error, and gives the district court an opportunity to correct that error. Medlock v. Ortho Biotech, Inc., 164 F.3d 545, 553 (10th Cir. 1999). Plaintiffs' failure to bring this matter to the district court's attention denied the district court this opportunity. Assuming Plaintiffs are correct that the district court should not have given Instruction 14, we would have to remand for a new trial on apportionment of comparative fault. Rule 51 "was designed to prevent unnecessary new trials caused by errors in jury instructions that the district court could have corrected if timely brought to its attention." Reynolds v. Green, 184 F.3d 589, 595 (6th Cir. 1999); see also Beech Aircraft Corp. v. United States, 51 F.3d 834, 841 (9th Cir. 1995) (failure to object "leaves open the possibility of a lengthy and expensive retrial"). Remand also would give Plaintiffs a second bite at the apple based on their own failure to act. See Horstmyer v. Black & Decker, (U.S.), Inc., 151 F.3d 765, 771 (8th Cir. 1998) ("The purpose of Rule 51 is . . . to prevent the losing party from obtaining a new trial through relying on a possible error in the original trial.") ... Because Plaintiffs did not raise this argument before the district court, we review Plaintiffs' proximate cause argument for plain error. Giron v. Corrections Corp. of America, 191 F.3d 1281, 1289 (10th Cir. 1999). We will reverse under the plain error standard only in exceptional circumstances "where the error was patently plainly erroneous and prejudicial."

Once again, here are the Utah model jury instructions. And here's a Utah case before the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, USA v. Wiktor where the appeal was based in part on what one party thought were flawed jury instructions. Here's another. Paralegals often draft jury instructions, by the way.

Even a state's model jury instructions can be appealed. Here's a Supreme Court ruling from January in Norfolk Southern R. Co. v. Sorrell, where that happened. Uh oh. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?


  


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Off topic here, please...
Authored by: perpetualLurker on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 07:53 PM EDT


....and links are appreciated...


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NewsPicks Comments Here, Please....
Authored by: perpetualLurker on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 07:55 PM EDT

Thank you everyone! Remember links for interesting stories, please...


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Correk^Hctions here please
Authored by: JamesK on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 07:55 PM EDT
Post 'em if you have 'em.


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"not clearly understandable to the average juror"
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 08:02 PM EDT
SCO not only wants a jury trial. They expect to select an exceptionally dim
witted jury.

rhb

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Corrections Thread
Authored by: artp on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 09:29 PM EDT
Please change the title to summarize what needs to be changed.

And keep the jokes out of the title, so that articles can be searched for
"Corrections". It makes PJs job easier, I am told. Corrections should
be in the replies, not in the title.

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sinks ?

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SCO Files Its Objections to Novell's Jury Instructions/Witness List
Authored by: BobinAlaska on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 09:43 PM EDT
Once again it appears that BS&F have put the interns on the job. Novell's
objections are clear and concise and easy to read. These are ????

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I can't believe that they filed this...(oppn' Jury Inst)
Authored by: Grog6 on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 09:53 PM EDT
They want to re-litigate most of the findings of the Judge... They must be deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from Judge Kimball; this seems like deja vu from the 'clarification' that Judge Wells had to make about 'unilateral re-interpretation' that went on in discovery. Judge Kimball already decided the licenses were SRVx licenses, and what remained was how much do they owe...the jury instructions they want would have the jury re-deciding this issue, but without the knowledge that the Judge already ruled on it! I've known a few Judges personally; I'd take their daughters to a Rave before I'd say something like this, let alone file it in court! If this doesn't provoke sanctions, I'm not sure what will.

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Jury Trial
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 10:01 PM EDT
I thought the trial was going to be in Utah. Is there some reason why SCO
keeps talking about California Rules?

J

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The legal aspects of the objections
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 10:11 PM EDT
Novell centers its objections around SCOs inconsistency with the summary
judgment and backs this them up with cases. The argument seems unassailable.

SCO generalizes objections as 'irrelevant' or equivalent. Their details,
however, are fascinating excursions into the meanings of agency relationships
and fiduciary duties. While I wouldn't accept what they say without research, I
think that they point up the subtleness of the subject and I think that the
actual instructions, if there is a jury, will reflect the proper legal aspects
of these meanings.

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Novell's Objections to SCO's Witness List
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 11:06 PM EDT
I can't locate the equivalent Novell filing?

Has it been made? If so could someone please point me to it?

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452 -Exhibit A ?????????
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Thursday, September 06 2007 @ 11:12 PM EDT
Can some one please decode this for us?

I can't figure out what language SCO is using.

A legend would have been helpful.

I wonder what the judge will make of it.

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The Truth about TSCOG (at least to me)
Authored by: deck2 on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 12:03 AM EDT
After just reading part of one of TSCOG's filings my head felt like it was going
to explode. Based on what has been filed since the August 10th Court Order,
the thread that seems to run through all of TSCOG's reasoning is that Novell
should not be able to present any evidence or witnesses and TSCOG should be able
to present anything including Darl's fantasies. Otherwise, the case is totally
biased against TSCOG. Another way to say it is that TSCOG would like the Court
to allow them to lie to a jury without the defendant being able to refute their
lies.

I do think a lot better of Judge Kimball.

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  • Novell is defendant? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 07:23 AM EDT
    • Novell is defendant? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 07:40 AM EDT
      • Novell is defendant? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 10:38 AM EDT
        • Thanks! - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 04:19 PM EDT
SCO Still Twisting The Truth
Authored by: sproggit on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 04:27 AM EDT
The willingness of SCO & BSF to continue to distort the facts and mis-quote in order to advance an argument still manages to raise a wry smile.

Take a look at the first filing, 451.pdf, and turn to page 14 as counted within the pdf file (the page with '13' printed in the footer. You will find an absolutely amazing piece that reads, in part :-

As the Court observed in its August 10 order (at 98) "Novell has actually obtained the information it needs to demonstrate its damages" under its claims. Through this instruction, Novell improperly seeks to shift to SCO the burden to "demonstrate its damages".

If you remember back to the August 10 ruling, Novell immediately responded with a correction, advising the Court that contrary to the Court's statement, Novell had not received such information from SCO, that in fact such information was one of many things that SCO had consistently refuses to provide.

This specific argument has since evolved and become even more entertaining, since it became the core of the apportionment dispute. SCO has now objected to Novell wanting to include additional documentation, which Novell intends to use if SCO tries to move away from the argument they stood upon in order to refuse to provide Novell with that information.

Can you believe the gall of these guys?

It's as though they only stick to one set of "facts" long enough to advance an argument, then believe as though they are entitled to change to a completely different view the next moment.

I do hope that Judge K has wised up to this.

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SCO Files Its Objections to Novell's Jury Instructions/Witness List
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 08:13 AM EDT
In general, Novell's objections seem clear, structured and supported by case law
or by rulings which form law of the case. On the contrary, SCO's objections
generally appear vague, muddled and unsupported. I admit to bias when reading
them so it may just be that I find SCO's arguments confusing because they
conflict with my version of reality.

However, there is one aspect of Novell's proposed instructions which seems
clumsy (and SCO has referred to it). "Novell must establish only that SCO
collected some amount of money based on the SCOsource agreements that relates to
SVRX". Whenever I try to parse that, it seems to naturally imply that the
SCOsource agreements relate to SVRX and that the jury must decide whether money
was collected. As I understand it, there is no dispute that money was collected
but the issue is whether the agreements relate to SVRX. The sentence should
undoubtedly be construed the latter way (the conjugation of "relates"
matches the singular subject "amount", not the plural
"agreements" which would require "relate") but I find the
construction confusing for the average juror. This may be the first time I've
had to concur with SCO rather than Novell (which makes me very annoyed at
Novell).

I know both sides want instructions which "focus" the jury on the
areas which they can more easily prove but there was never any way SCO would let
this one go by. I don't understand why Novell opted for such a convoluted
sentence structure (pot kettle black) rather an instruction which the Judge
could have readily used (obviously, I don't think Kimball will let this one go
by either). I'll resist the temptation to attempt a more acceptable version
myself, but it seems a missed opportunity by Novell who I'm sure could have
produced such text. The Judge may be left with neither version being acceptable
and produce one which is less helpful to Novell. Novell could then appeal if the
decision goes against them, but it would be time lost (and in any appeal Novell
would perhaps need to explain why it didn't produce a more appropriate
instruction when it was asked).

------------------------
Nigel Whitley

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Down the Rabbit Hole Once Again...
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 10:25 AM EDT
There are times when watching SCO is humorous. And there are times where the
same legal tactic repeated over and over becomes annoying.

"The Sole Remaining liability issue presented with respect to this claim is
whether SCO breached its fiduciary duties by failing to remit to Novell the
payments SCO recieved from the SCOSource Agreements. The Court's prior ruling
with respect to the Sun and Microsoft agreements is separate from this
question."

Repeat such increduility ad nauseum on such issues as objecting to Novell
stating thier rights as "SVRX Rights", a term which is not literally
repeated in the APA.

I seriously hope this just gets ruled a bench trial and we can dispose of the
jury bit entirely. BSF are very good tap dancers and I think that was the
intent all along. Get these guys in front of a jury, hit Novell with some
evidentiary bits it has never seen, and then tap dance like heck.

---
Clocks
"Ita erat quando hic adveni."

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Calculation of Novell's portion of proceeds - easy
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 10:39 AM EDT
I would think that it would be fairly easy to figure out what should be
apportioned to Novell.

Are the licensee's running the SCO Unix operating system on servers? Yes - then
those licenses fees go to SCO.

If not, then the money is for licensing the technology for making their systems
Unix - since this is a standards and interoperability option (i.e. to Unix
Standards) -- 95% of this money goes to Novell.

The last option, the licenses were just cover to fund SCO suing people --
admitting that would open up all parties to those agreements to major lawsuits.

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"Uh Oh"
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 06:48 PM EDT
Maybe it's time for Groklaw to send letters to each Supreme Court Justice to
have a look and see how interested the general public is in how the law works.
Who knows what else they might learn... ;-)

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Eudora now open source
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 10:19 PM EDT
Apparently Qualcomm Inc donated it. Beta versions available for Mac and Windows here.

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Is SCO's planning for a lengthy case?
Authored by: PTrenholme on Friday, September 07 2007 @ 11:31 PM EDT

In exhibit A, the objection to Novell exhibit 235 references Bates number "SCO 14527611452762," and at 417 they reference Bates number "SCON 101936101956."

I also wonder why their objection to Ex 421 comes between the objections to 290 and 293.

Ah well, I guess even the monkeys typing in the large room can get tired. But aren't these submissions supposed to be read by the lawyers before they go to the court?

(For my amusement, I'm creating a data base from Exhibit A, and noticed those "typos" whilst glancing over the data.)

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