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First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins Extension - Updated 3Xs
Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 03:58 PM EDT

I don't have details yet, but here's the first report from today's bankruptcy court hearing on SCO's motion to extend its exclusive right to file a reorganization plan, which Novell had filed objections to:
Just got back. Many notes to decipher and type up for you. Short version - the whole hearing was on extending exclusivity. The Judge granted SCO's motion. The judge further stated that he would not set a deadline for a plan. He said that further extensions were possible.

More to come ......

I think you get the picture. I'll add to this as more details arrive. The other matter at the hearing was all the fee applications. What? You doubt they were rubber stamped?

Update: We have the rest of the story, and MikeD also had a chance to talk with Darl after the hearing and find out what the plan is going forward. You'll be surprised, I think. I'll let him tell it:

I met with Darl briefly and exchanged pleasantries after the hearing. I asked him what his role was now. He is still President and CEO. I told him it sounded "like they were taking him out back and shooting him" from some of the things we had read. We both laughed.

Darl told me the plan is to spin off the Unix assets under a new company with a new CEO. Darl will run the remaining company ---running IP litigation---.

I guess that is where the post-APA copyrights and OpenServer come in. They still dream of second homes in Spain or whatever. And "spin off" has a ring of insider, to me. Does it to you? Sale is one thing, spin off is another. Of course, it's always possible the word is MikeD's, not Darl's. One thing is for sure. This story never gets boring. And the good news is we'll always have Darl to kick around. Kidding.

OK. Here is the long version of what happened at the hearing from MikeD:

What a glorious day. I mention this because the entrance to the courthouse is in an alley. I have been there in the middle of winter in freezing cold and howling winds blowing through the alley. Today it was 80 degrees, sunny and beautiful.

I thought the meeting was going to be cancelled. I was there early. No one showed up until about 10 minutes before 2 p.m. Mr. McMahon was late and they delayed the start of the hearing until he arrived at 2:05 p.m.

Adam Lewis and another lawyer (who did not sign in) were there for Novell. SCO had six lawyers plus Darl McBride on their side. There were three others in the gallery besides me. I did not recognize the others.

There were three items on the agenda.

1. Motion to pay York. Deferred until July 15.

3. Quarterly fee application. Judge Gross signed on the spot. I should note there were four people attending via phone. Stuart Singer, Al Petrofsky, James Felton (Mesirow), and Scott Robinson (Tanner LLC). Since the fee application was approved, Mr. Feltman and Mr. Robinson were offered the opportunity to be excused and they both left the conference call.

2. Extension of Exclusivity.

Sigh. As Webster has pointed out, sometimes laymen (me) don't catch the legal drift of some things. The following are my notes and observations. The transcript will reveal much more, I'm sure.

Mr. Spector.

Mr. Spector began by saying that SCO cannot create a plan until the results of the Utah litigation were known. He spoke about the fact that "How much - if anything" SCO owes Novell from the Utah case has not been decided. He spoke about how this was a unique bankruptcy case. SCO received a devastating litigation result last year in Utah. There are many uncertainties that have not been decided beyond just the financial aspects of the Utah case regarding what they do or do not own. Even Novell has agreed they could not move forward until what assets were owned to whom was decided.

He spoke of the SNCP deal worth $100 million(s) of dollars. This deal is still being discussed with SNCP. Mr. Spector spoke of how they will be able to show that their prospects are now better than previously expected. He mentioned the York and SNCP deals of the past.

He spoke of how there has been no harm to creditors to date.

Spoke of how the past contemplated deals started as equity sales but have now moved to asset sales, which is of benefit to the estate. He got into past dates. They were trying to put together a deal from April 2 through 27 knowing there was a potential $40 million "bogey" out there with Novell. On April 27, Novell surprised them out of the blue by only asking for $19 million.

That changed the matrix in the viewpoint of the debtors and others seeking to do a deal. A $40 million judgment might be insurmountable. But $20 million, they might be able to pay off - even if it takes 10 years.

On May second, the judge in Utah said he would render a judgment without undue delay. They had hoped to have the ruling by now. He said the trial in Utah was good for SCO in some aspects.

(at this point I have to say - I am not making this stuff up)

Mr. Spector concluded by saying they need the ruling in Utah. They request the extension until Aug 11. However, if the ruling in Utah comes on Aug 3; they make no guarantees that they will not ask for another extension.

Mr. Lewis.

(launches from chair!)

Mr. Lewis admits that debtor did not know what assets they had to sell. However, on Jan 2 they filed their first motion for an extension. They needed the extension because a premature plan would waste estate assets. Here they are again, arguing the same thing, that they don't want to waste estate assets.

Then they made a plan. The SNCP plan. They then withdrew the plan. SCO said nothing about awaiting the trial in Utah when they made or withdrew this plan. The debtors have been portraying a series of rushes to get plans done and then withdrawing them.

Mr. Spector had offered to have Mr. McBride testify if needed. Mr. Lewis said it was not needed in the context of this hearing.

Mr. Lewis spoke of the "scads of money" that have been spent to date on these plans. The debtor can and has proposed a plan knowing the possible outcomes in Utah. The last plan was withdrawn because it was completely unsubstantiated.

Mr. Lewis argues for a deadline. If the extension is granted it should be a final deadline. It could be a deadline of 30 days after the Utah ruling comes in. But Novell requests a deadline.

Judge Gross.

Would there be any prejudice to Novell if he grants this extension?

Mr. Lewis: Not really, not to Novell, but there are other parties which this whole case cast a cloud over that might be prejudiced.

Mr. McMahon.

He began by saying he had not filed any papers with the court but had a few things he wanted to say. He views the proceedings from a practical standpoint. How do we get from point A to point B? The exclusivity period is a privilege, not a right. What have the debtors done from the beginning to today?

No creditors committee has been formed due to a lack of interest.

It is the debtors responsibility in bankruptcy to negotiate with the other parties. The only negotiation that has been going on has happened in this courtroom.

Mr. McMahon agrees with Novell's position.

SCO has "been to the plate two times now". A deadline is needed for a plan. There have been substantial costs in time and money up to this point. It is the duty of the debtor to come forward with a plan to the court. The creation of a plan does not need to stop in its tracks waiting for a ruling in Utah. Getting from point A to Point B requires a confirmable plan. No real negotiation has been or is now going on.

Mr. Spector.

(launches from chair!)

Objects to the Trustee's "broadside" and asks that they be stricken from the record. No papers were filed with the court and he has had not opportunity to prepare a response.

Judge Gross: Accepts Mr. McMahon's comment as the Trustee.

Mr. Singer: "I had to do that."

Mr. McMahon: (paraphrased) I'm the Trustee and I have the right to say such things. (he quotes chapter and verse giving him that authority)

Judge Gross: The Utah litigation has a major impact on this bankruptcy, and the ability of SCO to create any deal. That was a deciding factor in his lifting the stay to allow the litigation in Utah to proceed. The Utah litigation must be concluded before any deal can be put together by SCO.

Mr. Spector: We have not resolved that creditors or shareholders won't get any money. In fact, we might be able to put together a really good plan now that the $40 million bogey is now only $20 million.

Mr. Lewis: The debtor has a plan to deal with this regardless of the outcome in Utah. They potentially have $100 million in this potential deal which should be more than enough to cover anything. SCO has been vocal about appeals. There will be uncertainties even after Utah. Please impose a deadline for a real plan from the debtor.

Judge Gross: I did not lift they stay to punish SCO. I did it to allow SCO to remove the uncertainty of litigation.

I am going to grant the motion. I will not limit this to one extension. Doing so could tie the court's and the debtor's hands. I will not tell them that this is the last extension. Motion to extend until Aug 11 is granted. Parties will keep judge apprised of the Utah litigation.

Court adjourned.

I know. There's that funny whiff of whazzup in the air. Mr. Spector in effect admits there never was a firm deal with Stephen Norris, just negotiations, which were difficult, according to this new story, because of the threat of a $40 million judgment. Now that Novell changed its figure downward, there is allegedly new life in the deal. But they told us at the April 2nd hearing, there was life already. They didn't have a deal, but when they did, it was going to be great, and they hoped to be finished by May 11, the last deadline, but they might not be because of due diligence, which as we now learn simply means waiting for Utah to rule.

Honestly, it's hard to keep up with the stories. But here's the bottom line:

Judge Gross: Would there be any prejudice to Novell if he grants this extension?

Mr. Lewis: Not really, not to Novell, but there are other parties which this whole case cast a cloud over that might be prejudiced.

Update 2: MikeD also got a copy of the sign in sheet [PDF] for us, and while he says there were some attorneys there that didn't sign in, the ones that did were overwhelmingly on SCO's side of the room. Here's the list:

For SCO:
Rachel Wertheiser
James O'Neill
Arther Spector
Grace Robson
Robert Mallard
Stuart Singer (telephone)

For SCO enablers:
James Feltman for Mesirow (telephone)
Scott Robinson for Tanner (telephone)

For Novell:
Adam Lewis

That's 5 lawyers for SCO, and two more for the buddies. Novell had one lawyer there. And Joesph J. McMahon was there for the US Trustee's Office. He did object and supported Novell's position, but not in writing in advance. One can't help but think that SCO cared about this a lot more than anyone else did. Of course all those lawyers get paid. And that is also why you probably don't see a phalanx of lawyers on the other side. Litigation is expensive, and at this point it's all down the drain, with little hope of recovery.

However, McBride told MikeD that they plan to go forward with IP litigation, if they survive Chapter 11, and I hope folks believe them. That part isn't about money. It's about Linux being free from any cloud of legal doubt.

Update 3: The filings making the hearing decisions official are now available. Here's the docket while we get them for you:

06/17/2008 - 500 - Minutes of Hearing held on: 06/17/2008 Subject: OMNIBUS HEARING, FEE APPLICATIONS. (vCal Hearing ID (71956)). (related document(s) 497) (SS, ) Additional attachment(s) added on 6/17/2008 (SS, ). (Entered: 06/17/2008)

06/17/2008 - 501 - Order (OMNIBUS) Approving Certain Quarterly Fee Applications. (related document(s)462, 474, 479, 460, 478 ) Order Signed on 6/17/2008. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A) (LCN, ) (Entered: 06/17/2008)

06/17/2008 - 502 - Order Further Extending Debtors' Exclusive Periods in Which to File a Chapter 11 Plan and Solicit Votes Thereon. (Related Doc # 470) Order Signed on 6/17/2008. (LCN, ) (Entered: 06/17/2008)

06/17/2008 - 503 - Certificate of Service and Service Lists Regarding [Signed] Omnibus Order Approving Certain Quarterly Fee Applications (related document(s)501 ) Filed by The SCO Group, Inc.. (Werkheiser, Rachel) (Entered: 06/17/2008)

06/17/2008 - 504 - Certificate of Service and Service List Regarding [Signed] Order Pursuant to 11 U.S.C. Section 1121(d) Further Extending Debtors' Exclusive Periods in Which to File a Chapter 11 Plan and Solicit Votes Thereon (related document(s)502 ) Filed by The SCO Group, Inc.. (Werkheiser, Rachel) (Entered: 06/17/2008)


  


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SCOGBK #500 - Minute Entry
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:01 PM EDT
It wil be fascinating to read your notes, thanks so much once more.

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corrections here
Authored by: sumzero on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:09 PM EDT
please state the nature/location of the correction in the subject line.

thanks.

sum.zero

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that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman.

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First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins Extension
Authored by: DBLR on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:10 PM EDT
Now I see why the filed bankruptcy where they did as it looks like this judge
just allowed them to burn through what little cash they have left. It also looks
like no one is looking out for or protecting the the creditors from SCO burning
up all the cash so they they will lose 100% of what is owed to them. Its very
sad :) that this is even being allowed to happen.

---

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is
a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin.

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You have GOT to be kidding
Authored by: russellphoto on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:12 PM EDT
I have got to say, it STRAINS credulity that they could have as much time as they want in an exclusive manner.

This especially since they were supposed to have a plan READY within the original time frame of what, 90 days?

So now, what? They get to blow the last few dollars on hats?

Sign me disgusted,

Russellphoto

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OT Here please
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:12 PM EDT
Please make clickable links if you can, and remember that On Topic threads go
somewhere else.....

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News Picks stuff here
Authored by: SilverWave on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:14 PM EDT
.

---
MR. ACKER: The way this works is I ask questions and you answer them. It's
unfortunate that way.
NOVELL: ERIC M. ACKER
WITNESS: Darl Charles McBride
04/30/08

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What good will any extension of anything do?
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:20 PM EDT
SCO have negligible cash, negligible assets, a significant rate of spend, and are awaiting a ruling from Judge Kimball.

They will be in Chapter 7 so soon that none of this matters in the least.

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Probable Outcome:
Authored by: OmniGeek on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:25 PM EDT
Swami Predicts: Judge Kimball publishes his ruling in a week or two, preempting
any hypothetical reorg plan by SCO (any plan of theirs could ONLY ever be
hypothetical, anyway), and sinking the whole operation, since the amount awarded
to Novell will well exceed SCO's remaining jar of pennies.

Next, Judge Gross forces SCO into Chapter 7 liquidation, and Novell gets all the
remaining assets.

Lastly, disgorgement efforts begin against SCO's officers and those third
parties under whose mattresses SCO has tried to stuff its wad of ill-gotten
cash. This last part is the only item I have any serious doubts about, the rest
are a slam-dunk.

---
My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on
espresso.

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A Couple Of Questions
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 04:25 PM EDT
Hey, everybody!

1) Can the judge reverse his decision on the extentions? If he granted the
extentions because Kimball hasn't ruled yet and SCO clearly isn't making any
sales at the moment anyway, once a ruling comes from Utah, can he suddenly say,
"Seeing what you now have, you lose exclusivity/time frame/whatever?"

2) Is the judge granting these payouts because he knows he can order them paid
back to go to creditors?

Dobre utka,
The Blue Sky Ranger

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Eyeballs for ODF - the Groklaw discussion thread
Authored by: bbaston on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 05:07 PM EDT
For Groklaw's benefit - whether participating over at OASIS or just passing by - here's the place to post.

PJ reminds those of us monitoring the discussion to
"Stay polite at all times, of course, if you say anything, and you needn't say anything, but do follow along and please keep us posted on anything you see that sounds peculiar."


OASIS discussion list for ODF Implementation, Interoperability and Conformance

Some relevent information includes formation of this discussion and archive of all discussion emails (pick date or thread - direct access doesn't seem to work).

A work-in-progress of the result so far - the draft charter is hosted at: http://sites.google.com/a/od fiic.org/tc/Home

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IMBW, IANAL2, IMHO, IAVO
imaybewrong, iamnotalawyertoo, inmyhumbleopinion, iamveryold

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Litany of complaints about US Justice System Here
Authored by: cjk fossman on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 05:12 PM EDT
I'm sure there are going to be plenty, so let's get them all in one thread.

What a farce.

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I'm not really surprised....
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 05:17 PM EDT

Personally, I pretty much expected it as the Bankruptcy Judge will effectively be waiting on Kimball's decision no matter what happens.

Depending on what Kimball's decision is, the Bankruptcy Judge will then act accordingly. Of course, without knowing the individual, I can't define what "accordingly" is.

However, the ruling does make sense from the perspective that anything filed by anyone - no matter who it is - prior to Kimball's ruling is premature. Just as premature as allowing SCOG to sell their "assets" before the ruling has been finalized. Remember the Bankruptcy Judge told SCOG no on that act.

I simply see this as a means that the Bankruptcy Judge can use to exert control over "the masses" (the creditors) without having to be concerned about having to respond to several filings from said creditors about what to do with SCOG.

RAS

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All in all, I can say bankruptcy was a roaring success.
Authored by: billyskank on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 05:27 PM EDT
They put off the Novell case for six months during which time they managed to
burn pretty much all the money. What's left will surely be gone by the time the
ruling comes out. SCO won't appeal, of course, there'll be no money to post the
bond; but that doesn't matter. They'll fold up in Chapter 7, the trustee will
inherit the remaining lawsuits, and the directors will flounce off into the
sunset.

---
It's not the software that's free; it's you.

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First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins Extension
Authored by: driftwolf on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 05:28 PM EDT
Me? I'm betting that the judge, should he be investigated, has some ties to SCO,
somewhere. That's the only reason I can see for him screwing the creditors like
that as SCO burns through what's left of its money.

When something doesn't make sense, follow the money. In this case, the only
logic is that it leads somewhere close to the judge.

That's my take on it anyway.

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Due Process or Literally Going Through the Motions or Drastic Things Happen Slowly or ...
Authored by: webster on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 06:27 PM EDT
..
...Phrasing Insignificance

Calm down. No need to be upset. The legal system is what it is since before
this case came along. Deep-pocketed litigants have been lobbying for laws and
shaping precedents for years. Big boys fight slow.

This is Bankruptcy Court. It's a combination of chemo and Oxycontin in the
faint hope of a financial remission. Who wouldn't go on a little spree if you
had months to live? It's the American way. Dear readers, you can do it too
even out of Delaware.

SCO's asking for exclusivity is insignificant. They can sell assets, be
acquired, start a new business or whatever. If they had anything that could
work, they wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place.

If Novell or anyone else had any serious opposition to SCO's request for
exclusivity, they would not only oppose the plan, they would propose a plan
along with their opposition. The only viable plan is Chapter 7. What else can
happen with the next Kimball Order contingency due at any time? They could go
Chapter 7 just waiting for him.

SCO was chosen to file these suits because they had nothing to lose. The PIPE
Fairies certainly wouldn't do it directly. They have too much to lose.

The reality is and always has been: if SCO loses, their conquerers get nothing
from SCO. These conquerors are paying the higher price for not settling and
scuttling Linux.

Some suspense arises with the resolution of SCO's assets in Chapter 7.

If someone is afraid of being pursued by Novell or IBM in the aftermath, they
would be well advised to ante up the appeal money, or threaten to do so, and try
and settle.

Once the Final Order arrives people can act on the Judgment. The Appeal will
not necessarily stay the judgment as far as other parties are concerned.
Kimball's Orders are going to be final and usable. Things like "res
judicata" and "collateral estoppel" will apply. No one is going
to be able to re-litigate these matters, just their involvement in it.

Who would Novell and/or IBM go after and for what? Officers, Directors,
lawyers, PIPE Fairies? Conversion and suing without copyrights aren't going to
be easily defensible. Imagine individuals having to mortgage their beach houses
to hire personal attorneys. They aren't going to eagerly burn themselves out
like SCO. It will be like rats climbing on each other in a sinking ship. As
usual the deepest pockets will have to carry the load. August 10 is about to be
eclipsed.

~webster~
.

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Keep things in perspective please.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 07:00 PM EDT
Let's not forget that Novell's only purpose here is to obstruct SCO any way it
can and destroy SCO no matter what plan it would present. A possible survival of
SCO is potentially lethal to Novell if SCO, as a result, would be able to take
its cases against IBM and Novell to court somewhere.

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Short version - First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins N/T
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 07:03 PM EDT

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Give the judge credit..
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 07:24 PM EDT
Folks, lets give the Judge credit for being a judge. He knows his business,
while his ruling may be disappointing, its not evidence of anything other than
his implementation of the law as he sees proper. Its very likely that his
concerns are broader than ours are. We are hoping for an end to SCO's antics. He
is dealing with all of the concerns of a bankruptcy, including those of the SCO
foot soldier employees, SCO creditors, and SCO customers. Its not all about the
SCO vs Novel trial, or SCO vs IBM trial. There are broader, real life issues for
real human beings involved here, along with the Law itself, which I presume the
Judge knows far better than we do.

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First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins Extension - Updated
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 08:52 PM EDT
I'ah has Spoken.

I'm reminded of Mammy Yokum. The judge has decided what he has decided. He is
going to do things his way.

"Judge Gross: I did not lift they stay to punish SCO. I did it to allow SCO
to remove the uncertainty of litigation.

I am going to grant the motion. I will not limit this to one extension. Doing so
could tie the court's and the debtor's hands. I will not tell them that this is
the last extension. Motion to extend until Aug 11 is granted. Parties will keep
judge apprised of the Utah litigation."

SCO may seem to be on the winning end of this. But I don't think they have won
as much as one might think.

The judge is a bankruptcy judge, and everything else is subservient to the job
he is doing.




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So, SCO will be allowed to dissipate the estate
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 08:55 PM EDT

That's what it looks like to me. Disabuse me of my notion.

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Extensions
Authored by: The Mad Hatter r on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 09:26 PM EDT


This isn't that unusual. I know of one company that stayed in Chapter 11 for
close to 4 years, getting extension after extension. They have been out of
Chapter 11 for 3-4 years now, and are making steady profits. Sometimes working
out the details can be difficult.

So the judge isn't really doing anything unusual, it's just in this case most of
us despise the company and it's staff, so we want the headsman's axe to come
down quick.



---
Wayne

http://sourceforge.net/projects/twgs-toolkit/

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The Plan(s)
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 10:59 PM EDT
Darl told me the plan is to spin off the Unix assets under a new company with a new CEO. Darl will run the remaining company ---running IP litigation---.
Plan #1: "Spinning off" the Unix assets would normally mean setting up a separate company. SCO's proposal to pay Novell and the creditors could be to give them shares in the Unix company. Converting debt to equity is a common practice in bankruptcy. Splitting the IP trolling from the Unix business however would mean that the new Unix shareholders wouldn't be SCO-Troll Inc. shareholders, and so couldn't exert any influence on that entity. SCO-Troll Inc. could then be taken private by a new PIPE fairy. All the trollable assets could be assigned to SCO-Troll Inc. through some sort of licencing agreement.

That changed the matrix in the viewpoint of the debtors and others seeking to do a deal. A $40 million judgment might be insurmountable. But $20 million, they might be able to pay off - even if it takes 10 years.
Plan #2:The alternative plan could be to convert the money due to Novell to a debt, payable over time (e.g. 10 years). This is unlikely to be palatable to Novell, as a subsequent bankruptcy (which seems almost inevitable if SCO survives this one) would leave Novell with nothing. It has its attractions for SCO though, as it puts the whole matter behind them.

These are at least two of the possible plans which SCO could propose. It seems clear though from SCO's recent financial reports that SCO will need a new source of revenue. From the comments made, it appears that this involves continued IP trolling with PIPE fairy financing. It might be a bit premature yet to dance on SCO's grave. It also appears that SCO and IBM need to crush SCO and to go after the principles if they expect to ever get any peace.

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Why does SCO seem to not care about IBM?
Authored by: vb on Tuesday, June 17 2008 @ 11:34 PM EDT
Mr. Spector said "...we might be able to put together a really good plan
now that the $40 million bogey is now only $20 million." That's only the
amount they will likely have to pay Novell.

Around the next corner is the IBM freight train. Why doesn't SCO even address
the pending counterclaims that IBM will crush them with - if SCO has any money
to pay them?

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Two plans
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 12:01 AM EDT
In a way SCO can put together two plans, one for the case Novell loses, another
one for the case SCO loses.

Is that never done??

Plus can they not tell the same story once they appeal? (Uncertainty, we can't
make a plan etc.)

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prejudice to Novell?
Authored by: nola on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 12:05 AM EDT
No, not really. The money is gone.

History

Nada

Zilch

Delay is no longer a prejudice to Novell.

All that remain is for the vultures to deal with the carcass.

Oh, and I'm not so sure that Judge Gross' reputation will be enhanced by this
sordid mess. I think that in time he will consider himself most unfortunate to
have been assigned this case (for surely he will consider that he has handled
it well). Oh dear.

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Darl McBride - Litigation Go-Fer!
Authored by: kawabago on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 12:16 AM EDT
What a future, his mother must be proud.

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Doesn't Darl have a handler?
Authored by: mpg on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 04:51 AM EDT
"Darl told me the plan is to spin off the Unix assets...
litigation..."

It strikes me as very odd that he would make such a statement. Executives and
other officers of public companies are trained to be very guarded in their
statements in public.

And although not speaking on the court record, he nonetheless was in the middle
of a bankruptcy proceeding in a courthouse when he said this, and to a complete
stranger he should have known was not necessarily friendly to his cause.

He may have made wild statements in the past, e.g. to the press or at a user
conference, but I suspect those were calculated in advance. And in any case,
that was then and things are different now. Or at least they should be.

A content-empty response like "well, we're looking at a number of options,
we'll have to see how things play out, we're optimistic for the future"
would have been his correct response in this situation.

Very odd.

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Prejudice to Novell?
Authored by: mpg on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 04:58 AM EDT
> Would there be any prejudice to Novell if he
> grants this extension?
>
> Mr. Lewis: Not really, not to Novell...

Lewis is Novell's lawyer, right? So shouldn't his answer have been "yes,
we are prejeduiced against because SCO is spending [gobs of] money that we have
made a legal claim to"?

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First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins Extension - Updated 2Xs
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 06:03 AM EDT
By way of background, I have been a lurker on Groklaw for some time and very
rarely post-anything. I confess my bias. I am anti-SCO and pro-Linux and Open
Source. I am a litigation lawyer in Australia, and am following the litigation
with great interest.

Unfortunately the law is not perfect, either here or in the United States, but
it is the best we have. Both are first world countries where the rule of law
prevails and people are treated more fairly than probably at any time or place
in history. It saddens me that the law and lawyers in both countries have fallen
into such disrepute, since the rule of law underlies the freedom and living
standards which we all enjoy and take for granted. And us lawyers in both
countries have only ourselves to blame. At one stage I was trading jokes by
email, one each day, with my brother, an accountant. Fortunately I had the good
sense to cease this after I realised that I would run out of accountant jokes
long before he ran out of lawyer jokes.

I do not profess any knowledge of U.S. Bankruptcy Law, but have no issues with
the decision that has been made. Clearly his honour is correct from a point of
plain fairness. How can we expect SCO to come up with any sort of plan whilst
the Utah litigation remains unresolved? The unfortunate part is that whilst the
matter is dragging on the money continues to disappear. Also distressing is the
credence with which the various "plans" by SCO have been accorded. But
of course the Court has neither our bias nor our knowledge of SCO's conduct
throughout this whole sad scenario, being constrained as it is by the rules of
evidence. This unfortunately is the price that we must pay to ensure the
protections of our own freedoms. Again and again in this litigation we have seen
SCO given plenty of rope to the point that we despair of the result, but again
and again this rope has ultimately ended up around their throats. This is how a
good legal system works. Both parties start equally with an unbiased
adjudicator, and are given what we Australian's call a "fair go". But
of course as the Judge or magistrate hears evidence and becomes acquainted with
the parties he or she ultimately forms their own view. So far such view has not
favoured SCO on any occasion that I can think of. Once they come to know SCO
they do not exactly love them nor believe them.

I think ultimately SCO as such is doomed. Our danger now appears to lie in the
so-called "Unix Assets" being acquired by some other party who will
pursue the same old pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

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First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins Extension - Updated 2Xs
Authored by: Ian Al on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 06:19 AM EDT
I will start by saying that this decision is Grossly unfair. However, I can't compete with Filibuster Spector's great gags such as,
Objects to the Trustee's "broadside" and asks that they be stricken from the record. No papers were filed with the court and he has had not opportunity to prepare a response.
And, who can forget,
We have not resolved that creditors or shareholders won't get any money. In fact, we might be able to put together a really good plan now that the $40 million bogey is now only $20 million.
Anyway, Novell stood up for themselves and showed how appallingly bad SCOG had been so far in offering reorganisation plans. The representative of the US Trustee stood up for all the other debtors and agreed with Novell, saying,
The exclusivity period is a privilege, not a right. What have the debtors done from the beginning to today?
So it is clear that SCOG have done nothing to justify any extension of the exclusivity and Judge Gross should have thrown the floor open to all comers to plan to reorganise.

Just look at the response of the interested parties,

Mr. McMahon. No creditors committee has been formed due to a lack of interest.
And, look at the harm to Novell who were also objecting
Judge Gross: Would there be any prejudice to Novell if he grants this extension?

Mr. Lewis: Not really, not to Novell, but there are other parties which this whole case cast a cloud over that might be prejudiced.

Looking at the two extremes of decisions, what would have happened if the motion had been denied? The only possibility I can think of is that a creditor or Novell would propose Chapter 7 and SCOG would post an overlength sur-reply in support of their motion for reconsideration of the motion. Judge Gross would cite Judge Kimball, citing Judge Kimball and deny the motion, but that would take us way beyond August (and I'm not sure that would be in 2008, either).

What might happen in the light of the actual decision? Well, it might be nothing and the Judge might have to put SCOG into Chapter 7, anyway, 'cos all the dosh has gone. On the other hand, some witles... er... astute investor might be pressed by Judge Gross to actually put up $Ms as part of a reorganisation plan. There is an outside chance with this decision that the creditors and Novell might get much more than the results of liquidation. SCOG may not have earned the extension to exclusivity in any way, but it just does not make any difference. Judge Gross could have just flipped a coin, but he chose to make a professional decision, instead. Perhaps the judge doesn't need a cluestick after all.

PJ speculated that there might be someone out there who wanted the litigation to continue; someone other than Microsoft. None of you noticed, but I did as she was responding to one of my comments. If this AttackFaery found some way of feeding the reorganisation with funds then Judge Gross' job of making sure investors and creditors (and Novell) got the best deal would be a great success. It is not his job to deal with other law or to improve business ethics.

So, he did the right thing and, anyway, the money has Gone With The Wind and, frankly my dear, the debtors don't give a...

---
Regards
Ian Al

If you are not using Linux, you may be beyond help.

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I give up
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 08:07 AM EDT
I don't care any more about SCO.

It's gone on too long, SCO and their lawyers (and patsies/controllers) have been
able to abuse process left right and centre, lied, cheated, stole and changed
their minds so that any argument made is a waste of time and money.

And what have they got for this?

Salary
Payoffs
Bonuses
"Offshoring" money

and, worst of all,

More chance to do the same all over again.

Repeatedly.

I don't care. I've not even the vaguest care about whether Novell will get
anything, whether SCO win or lose, whether there are any repercussions to anyone
in SCO or possibly linked to it.

The US legal system has killed it all.

Well done, "Justice System".

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More extensions -- to accommodate appeals?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 08:11 AM EDT

Gross said more extensions are possible. To allow the appeals
court to take the case? Then, of course, a pro forma appeal
to the Supreme Court?

Assuming some of the summary judgment isn't overturned.

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My God you are petty and immature, PJ
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 10:03 AM EDT
"Joke, joke". "Kidding."

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Just a nit...and a bit
Authored by: kenryan on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 12:18 PM EDT
Just a nit: most airlines nowadays lease their aircraft.

Your point holds fine, though, gate slots are very valuable and there is plenty
of other capital equipment to back a loan.

IMCO though, the biggest reason airlines can go in and out of bankruptcy is that
Congress keeps bailing their sorry tails out, handing them my tax dollars. I
personally think the ranks need to be thinned a bit more, or else the industry
needs to be re-regulated (acknowledging that it is in fact not possible to build
a profitable business transporting people - as I understand it, if you add up
*all* the profits for *all* US airlines over the 80ish years the industry has
been around, you'll total less than the government handout in the fall of 2001.

[C = Cynical]


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ken
(speaking only for myself, IANAL)

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regarding Darl
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 01:26 PM EDT
"Darl told me the plan is to spin off the Unix assets under a new company
with a new CEO. Darl will run the remaining company ---running IP litigation---.
"

Under what basis can the IP Litigation company perform litigation if the Unix
assets are pun off into a new company?

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First Report on Bankruptcy Hearing: SCO Wins Extension - Updated 2Xs
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18 2008 @ 02:38 PM EDT
SCO Lawyers:
(launch from chair!)

Objection! MikeD's recollection of his chat with Mr. McBride (whether
"off" or "on" the record) is heresay and we move it be
stricken from Groklaw.

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Dead Trees
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, June 19 2008 @ 12:59 PM EDT
Ever notice how a tree that is neglected and not properly cared for eventually withers and dies? That's the case with the 'SCO tree; while it is still standing it has little to no greenery. At this point, even $100 meelion dollars is too little too late to revive this dessicated stump.

Meanwhile, the GPL continues to thrive.

Good luck with your future litigation, Darl--so far, your legal acumen is underwhelming, to say the least.

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  • Dead Trees - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, June 20 2008 @ 07:41 PM EDT
How Mant SCO Business Assoc. Charged/Arrested By Attorney General
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, June 20 2008 @ 03:09 PM EDT
Anyone here know how many (if any) SCO's business associates (direct or
indirect) were charged and/or arrested yesterday by USA attorney generals. 400
people were charged and/or arrested including hedge fund CEO/managers. And
apparently it's only the beginning of the charges/arrests.

The hedge fund CEO/managers got nailed for lying on their prospectuses about
mortgage profitability.

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